Is there..............

[ADDI]

At the moment there seems to be a hell of alot of dj's playing hardstyle or claiming to be hardstyle dj's, is the uk scene big enough for this amount of dj's or will it just overkill the sound?? :eh:

[Yoshimitsu]

At the moment there seems to be a hell of alot of dj's playing hardstyle or claiming to be hardstyle dj's, is the uk scene big enough for this amount of dj's or will it just overkill the sound?? :eh:

tbh m8 i dunno if its just round here, but mainly at the events i here hard trance & some techno & very little hardstyle. unless of course mzone is playing. so i reckon theres still a big opening for djs, although many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

[Kaos_Theory]

most of the people i know don't even know what hardstyle is. got fed up of being told yoji is a hradstyle dj

[ADDI]

I find that strange as everywhere you look its hardstyle and the amount of hardstyle demo's i get is absolutely ***king crazy. Dont get me wrong I LOVE HARDSTYLE but can all the hardstyle dj's in the uk get a break?

[Yoshimitsu]

I find that strange as everywhere you look its hardstyle and the amount of hardstyle demo's i get is absolutely ***king crazy. Dont get me wrong I LOVE HARDSTYLE but can all the hardstyle dj's in the uk get a break?

i think its definitely getting harder to get a break, as im just finding out :doh: thats why with my demos i try to include hard trance and hardstyle to show promoters i can play a more diverse style. I wish i was into other genres as well so it could be even broader. Btw theres a demo headed your way addi ;) :lol:

[Busho]

personally i dont give a flying fcuk if the scene is over killed!!! I LOVE IT AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT!!!!!!!!!

[ADDI]

yeah thats what i mean yosh mate, as you say you play hard trance/hardstyle but there are loads of up & coming and established dj's all playing hardstyle. To me many events dont cater for hardstyle from the start of the night to the finish and usually the peak set caters for hardstyle. so how can you fit x amount of dj's into that slot?? and how many events cater for the influx of hardstyle dj's?

[Busho]

and how many events cater for the influx of hardstyle dj's?


NOT ENOUGH MATE!!! :doh:

[Kaos_Theory]

i think its definitely getting harder to get a break, as im just finding out :doh: thats why with my demos i try to include hard trance and hardstyle to show promoters i can play a more diverse style. I wish i was into other genres as well so it could be even broader. Btw theres a demo headed your way addi ;) :lol:

that's what i try to do, makes for more interesting sets...plus if i play too much hardstyle i get to the point that it's just noise :lol:

[Yoshimitsu]

i see wot your sayin, but round here a lot of up & comin djs dont get a shot wotever they play, purely coz promoters like to stick to their residents i rekon. ive never seen an up & coming dj booked to play hardstyle in taunton or the surrounding area. granted, i havent been to every event, but unless they give a new dj the prime time slot (which is very unlikely), no starting hardstyle dj will get a play as its all hard trance early on & hardstyle last occasionally.

that all came out very fast so i dunno if it makes sense :lol:

[MARKEG]

i don't care if anyone is hardstyle, hard trance or whatever. a good dj is a good dj. too many ppl are not getting the break they deserve because of genre classification. **** em. :dontevengothere:

[ADDI]

yeah i understand so what we have is

Not enuff events playing hardstyle
No events giving up&coming hardstyle dj's the chance

=Too many dj's playing hardstyle & not gotting the chance to play out anywhere!! :eh:

[Kaos_Theory]

to be honest, all of the breaks i've had with playing out have been through knowing people and just being in the right place at the right time.

way it's always going to be i feel.

[Yoshimitsu]

i don't care if anyone is hardstyle, hard trance or whatever. a good dj is a good dj. too many ppl are not getting the break they deserve because of genre classification. **** em. :dontevengothere:

its not just genre classification though, its more that clubs dont put djs that play hard on early, so up and coming djs who do play hard never get a shot. not just hardstyle djs

[Yoshimitsu]

yeah i understand so what we have is

Not enuff events playing hardstyle
No events giving up&coming hardstyle dj's the chance

=Too many dj's playing hardstyle & not gotting the chance to play out anywhere!! :eh:

yeh that about sums it up. :neutral:

[ADDI]

lol like i have said I LOVE HARDSTYLE but to me it seems at the moment everyone wants to be a hardstyle dj which is fair... But is there enough opportunities for for young & established hardstyle dj's to go around???

[Kaos_Theory]

there's too many dj's full stop...not just too many dj's playing hardstyle

[Yoshimitsu]

lol like i have said I LOVE HARDSTYLE but to me it seems at the moment everyone wants to be a hardstyle dj which is fair... But is there enough opportunities for for young & established hardstyle dj's to go around???

in a way though i suppose a dj is limiting his own opportunities by sticking to one genre. but still, why should it be harder for a dj to succeed because he plays hardstyle?

[Yoshimitsu]

there's too many dj's full stop...not just too many dj's playing hardstyle

yeh true, but wot he means is that because newcomers get early slots, not many clubs book em cause they dont want BANG BANG at 9 o clok

[Yoshimitsu]

good thread btw addi :clap:

[Kaos_Theory]

yeh true, but wot he means is that because newcomers get early slots, not many clubs book em cause they dont want BANG BANG at 9 o clok

yeah, very true. which is why it pays to be versitile.

[Yoshimitsu]

yeh true, but wot he means is that because newcomers get early slots, not many clubs book em cause they dont want BANG BANG at 9 o clok

yeah, very true. which is why it pays to be versitile.

i agree, but wot if u only like that genre? i play hard trance as well which i love equally. but if i didnt like any other genre, i wouldnt start playin em just to get gigs. f uck playin music you dont like. which is why purely hardstyle djs are at a disadvantage

[ADDI]

I mean ok some nights do bang it from 8pm just ask some of my regulars lol but yeah it seems to be hard for any dj to get a break through but in the scene we have in the uk you have to have some variation within your set or even be able to warm up for the headliners.
I run nights with guests & residents but i also have nights where its just up & coming dj's and two residents to give new blood a chance and let the ressies get the opportunity of a peak time slot! but not many ppl do that :eh:

[Yoshimitsu]

I mean ok some nights do bang it from 8pm just ask some of my regulars lol but yeah it seems to be hard for any dj to get a break through but in the scene we have in the uk you have to have some variation within your set or even be able to warm up for the headliners.
I run nights with guests & residents but i also have nights where its just up & coming dj's and two residents to give new blood a chance and let the ressies get the opportunity of a peak time slot! but not many ppl do that :eh:

which is really unfortunate. i mean, i was lucky because dave (subsonic) has the same approach as you. otherwise i still wouldnt have had a single dj set

[ADDI]

but until more venues start to let hard dance promoters in or even promote inhouse hard dance nights, the uk is gonna have aload of quality dj's up&coming & established twiddling their thumbs as there just aint enough venues & events to cater for them all and give the opportunities!!

[Yoshimitsu]

but until more venues start to let hard dance promoters in or even promote inhouse hard dance nights, the uk is gonna have aload of quality dj's up&coming & established twiddling their thumbs as there just aint enough venues & events to cater for them all and give the opportunities!!

so wots the solution? by the sounds of things i may as well quit now :lol:

nah seriously, is there anything we can do about it?

[ADDI]

seriously what stops the evolution of a dj?

dj learns to play in bedroom
dj plays in front of mates
dj gets the chance to play at a small venue a few times (after 1st time it shuts down)
dj plays at more venues & bigger venues (no venues/not as much)

sadly the local authorities in most districts dont want venues playing hard dance as its associated to the drug culture! So less & less venues want to be up against the councils/police.
lol i sound all doom & gloom by f*ck


but really where does it leave us???

[Kaos_Theory]

about the only thing you can do is either start your own night, or start producing, and get noticed that way.

it's a pain in the ass but it's the way it is. entering dj comps is a good way to get noticed as well

[Yoshimitsu]

seriously what stops the evolution of a dj?

dj learns to play in bedroom
dj plays in front of mates
dj gets the chance to play at a small venue a few times (after 1st time it shuts down)
dj plays at more venues & bigger venues (no venues/not as much)

sadly the local authorities in most districts dont want venues playing hard dance as its associated to the drug culture! So less & less venues want to be up against the councils/police.
lol i sound all doom & gloom by f*ck


but really where does it leave us???

thats a stupid attitude by the authorities though! if everyone was drugged up instead of pissed then there wouldnt be anywhere near as much trouble @ the weekend. im not glorifying drugs, but its sad that they promote alcohol and scorn(if thats the right word) drugs for which the only reason is the legality of them.

[ADDI]

lol so very true!!! but where does that leave us?? The new up & coming talent have to hit new boundries and bring something different into their sets to make them stand a distance between the other dj's in their field just to get the opportunity to play out once at least! :roll:

[Yoshimitsu]

lol so very true!!! but where does that leave us?? The new up & coming talent have to hit new boundries and bring something different into their sets to make them stand a distance between the other dj's in their field just to get the opportunity to play out once at least! :roll:

exactly. every dj cant play totally different coz everyones limited by their chosen genres. the only way i can see is for djs to get so good at mixing that its stupid, like every mix inch perfect every time which is near impossible. although i think its better a dj is picked for his skills, not for the music he plays as long as it fits with the theme of the nite. how can someone like me stand out that far from the rest?

[ADDI]

I dont know how does MARK EG stand out from the rest???
How does MZONE stand out from the rest??? How does JAYM stand out from the rest??? lol its easy but at the same time one of the most difficult questions to answer!!

[Kaos_Theory]

tis a hard question to answer, good dj's just stand out

[Yoshimitsu]

I dont know how does MARK EG stand out from the rest???
How does MZONE stand out from the rest??? How does JAYM stand out from the rest??? lol its easy but at the same time one of the most difficult questions to answer!!

i know, i mean, how big an element in this is luck? tbh a lot of djs i see live dont mix especially well or distictively but then again, is that due to lazyness now that their known?

anyway im goin to bed now but hopefully in the morning we'll have a few more peeps input on the matter :cool:

[ADDI]

i think its about finding your own unique style which is very difficult in a field that there are so many dj's trying to break through.

Mark is an excellent dj and a thorough crowd entertainer.

Mzone just does his own thing and rocks big time,imho.

Jaym, well in my eyes he's a talented dj but he has a style which i cant cant describe & he always gets them up for it!!

[Yoshimitsu]

id like to think i have my own unique style, but its not for me to judge :neutral:

[ADDI]

lol i look forward to hearing your mix mate, ive enjoyed the others a great deal!!!

[Si the Sigh]

many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?

[ADDI]

Si thats a bit harsh a statement!! I mean every genre has a gash element through it!!

[Ashley]

Jaym, well in my eyes he's a talented dj but he has a style which i cant cant describe & he always gets them up for it!!

He sure does :love: :love:

[ADDI]

Jaym, well in my eyes he's a talented dj but he has a style which i cant cant describe & he always gets them up for it!!

He sure does :love: :love:

lmao i maybe worded that wrong :oops: He is a quality dj & very versaitile!!

[Si the Sigh]

Si thats a bit harsh a statement!! I mean every genre has a gash element through it!!

Sorry mate... :oops:

I've still yet to hear any hardstyle I really really like TBH.

[ADDI]

lol i see your point, i mean i hear some elements which i think **** sake wtf is that noise but then i hear a set from mick and think **** thats wicked, even get a shiver down the old spine!!

[rapture]

At the end of day it doesn't matter how many there are some are playing it and are utter pants. I'm going to name names, but there are few out there. Only getting bookings because they 'bring a bus'. Pah!!! :evil: Thats the type of DJs that we could do without in the scene.

[rapture]

Sorry meant to add that promoters sinking to those levels and putting that before the quality of djs they book >> :nono:

[ADDI]

At the end of day it doesn't matter how many there are some are playing it and are utter pants. I'm going to name names, but there are few out there. Only getting bookings because they 'bring a bus'. Pah!!! :evil: Thats the type of DJs that we could do without in the scene.

but as a promoter myself i know the kind of dj's you are describing but sometimes a promoter needs dj's like that to get the numbers they require to break even!! then again other dj's run nights so they can do swap deals to get a break in an other area!!

[rapture]

At the end of day it doesn't matter how many there are some are playing it and are utter pants. I'm going to name names, but there are few out there. Only getting bookings because they 'bring a bus'. Pah!!! :evil: Thats the type of DJs that we could do without in the scene.

but as a promoter myself i know the kind of dj's you are describing but sometimes a promoter needs dj's like that to get the numbers they require to break even!! then again other dj's run nights so they can do swap deals to get a break in an other area!!

I realise that being a promoter myself and if you are starting up a night I can understand how this type of arrangement happens. Its when larger scale events with a large following still do this. Someone needs to give these talented guys a break and its becoming nearly impossible. Its frustrating when you can blantantly see they are shite.

[piginabush]

I think Mark himself hits the nail on the head in his (now legendary) IMO Interview.....

"Theres is so many DJs, so many Wannabe DJs but no-one actually, well not a lot of people are able to make it their life and its a shame right because there is a lot of talented DJs out there that dont get recognition but it only takes the one bit of luck, the one break and I was very lucky because I wrote for Eternity and they were able to get me this and from this you put your Heart and Soul into it what you do and you give your everything and then it builds and builds and builds but its the one break, the one break and its hard for everyone but you gotta have the passion, you gotta have the love for it!!"

My personal point of view is, that as a promoter you need to "hedge your bets" progress the night through from Trance and Hard Trance through to Hardstyle and Techno, the variety of DJs and styles through the night means that you will get a better attendance than if you stuck with just the one genre (ie Hardstyle) which is pidgeonholing the night a bit.... If the UK Dance Scene was a little more like Holland then we might get some Huge Hardstyle events but UK clubbers associate Hard Music with getting off their Box instead of just chilling out with a few beers whilst listening to some quality Hardstyle tunes/DJs

[rapture]

I think he did hit the nail on the head there for certain. :clap:

There are loads of DJs and promoters out there with not just no talent, but no love or passion for what they do. They are in it primarily for the recgonition, money or to 'make friends' :lol: (Yes I do know a few). And of course a lot with very brown tongues ;)

[Kaos_Theory]

At the end of day it doesn't matter how many there are some are playing it and are utter pants. I'm going to name names, but there are few out there. Only getting bookings because they 'bring a bus'. Pah!!! :evil: Thats the type of DJs that we could do without in the scene.

but half the time when you are lucky to get a break, the previso for coming back is if you do 'bring a bus' the first time round

it's happened to me on a couple of occasions

[ADDI]

I suppose thats the only way some ppl get the break they need! :eh:

[Yoshimitsu]

lol i look forward to hearing your mix mate, ive enjoyed the others a great deal!!!

glad u like em m8. should be postin it out monday. to much goin on this weekend :lol:

[ADDI]

np mate look forward tae hearing it!!! :twisted:

[Voorheez]

If you are going to play solely hardstyle, then you need to be damn good. It's as simple as that because the only slots you will get in a club will be from 12 onwards, and depending on how late your club licensing in your city is, it might not give you much of a chance.

Personally I absolutely hate hearing music too hard at least until after 11 o'clock. It kills the night because there is nowhere you can go after that but back down, and it's too early for that. Many times I have turned up to a gig to play the main slot and arrived at 10 to hear a DJ playing exactly what I would which means i've then got to tone it down a bit, which might affect the people in the club's enjoyment. The only thing you can really aim for if you are up and coming is the later slots, the graveyard shifts if you like. No-one minds you banging it out then.

I can totally undestand where promoters come from, because it takes a very well skilled DJ to be able to create highs and lows with just hardstyle or any kind of hard music. It's a subtle thing that many people don't even see, but you can be assured that all of the DJ's mentioned who stand out are more than aware of it. Promoters listen to CDs, so perhaps if you're not getting booked, you simply may just need to get back to the bedroom practising.

It's easy to blame club politics after all (though they do exist) but sometimes you need to be fairer to the clubs. Most clubs don't cater for hard dance, not because they are scared of the druggy reputation - it's more that drug users don't buy drinks, and that's where most clubs gain their profit. I don't like the fact that people who bring entourages get bookings easier, but it makes sense for the promoters. The only thing to do there is get more friends!

[Voorheez]

many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?
This is a bit of a harsh statement m8 - maybe think of others having different tastes before you say things are shite. Personally I dislike MC'ing, and if I were to say that was fu*king shite you'd probably take offence.

[Ben C]

many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?
This is a bit of a harsh statement m8 - maybe think of others having different tastes before you say things are shite. Personally I dislike MC'ing, and if I were to say that was fu*king shite you'd probably take offence.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

MC-ing in my opinion is the scourge of this planet.
it absolutely sucks, ruins good sets, ruins good nites, givz me a sore head and has no place in Hardstyle, Hard Trance or any other form of electronic music except cheesey happy hardcore and drum n bass.

:dontevengothere: :!:

[Paul Nisbet]

many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?
This is a bit of a harsh statement m8 - maybe think of others having different tastes before you say things are shite. Personally I dislike MC'ing, and if I were to say that was fu*king shite you'd probably take offence.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

MC-ing in my opinion is the scourge of this planet.
it absolutely sucks, ruins good sets, ruins good nites, givz me a sore head and has no place in Hardstyle, Hard Trance or any other form of electronic music except cheesey happy hardcore and drum n bass.

:dontevengothere: :!:

Yeah with ya on that ben, im not into mcs at all.

[ADDI]

There is a way of fixing that lads dont go to any nights that advertise mc's.... Its a very simple solution!!!! Just as ppl who dont like hardstyle shouldnt attend events involving hardstyle!! Then everyone is happy!! :twisted:

[Jay M]

i dont mind mcs aslong as they k now when to shut up and aslong as they are good at it, Sharkey is a prime example of a good mc ;)

[ADDI]

i dont mind mcs aslong as they k now when to shut up and aslong as they are good at it, Sharkey is a prime example of a good mc ;)

si & ribbz are quality mc's too, infact sharkey,si & ribbz are defo the best mc's at the moment imo....

[Paul Nisbet]

i dont mind mcs aslong as they k now when to shut up and aslong as they are good at it, Sharkey is a prime example of a good mc ;)

Agreed, but midge mcs are hardly a reason not to go to a nite, really.

Not seen an mc really so far who has been good at wat they do, but heard loads o sharkey ones, and hes noice. So because ive heard a few bad examples maybe not the best person to comment really.

[ADDI]

paul but if they were as bad as ben said surely that would be a reason not to attend an event if you thought the music was gonna be ruined and the mc gave you a sore head!!!

[Paul Nisbet]

paul but if they were as bad as ben said surely that would be a reason not to attend an event if you thought the music was gonna be ruined and the mc gave you a sore head!!!

That could be a point, but ben said that. not me.

I said i wasnt into Mcs at all. Not that they gave me a sore head etc? :eh:

[ADDI]

yeah mate i see what your saying i just thought you agreed wholly with ben!! you should check out some north packs as the quality of mc'ing is excellent apart from mc shocker on the C&J tapes!!

[Ben C]

nearly every bit of MC-ing ive heard has just been drunken shouting over the music! sorry if my words are harsh, but it really gets on my tits when theres a great tune playing and u cant hear it for the MC. i just dont see the need for it, certainly not in Hardstyle, it just too cheesey IMO

a little bit now and again at the breaks in tunes etc is OK, but most MC's just cant help themselves!

i prefer an introduction of each DJ at the start of their set rather than gibbering all the way thru a set. I like to hear the DJ mixing records, not some guys voice shouting.

each to their own and that!! :lol: :!:

[ADDI]

aye it certainly each to their own.... :twisted:

[Voorheez]

Sorry, I didn't mean to change this topic in to a discussion about MC's, I was just trying to get the point across that different people like and dislike different things, so you need to be a bit more tolerant in your opinions.

[ADDI]

lol mate tis ok hahahaha its to be expected on here eh? :lol:

[Voorheez]

Yeah, for sure

[ADDI]

so have you done any more cd's lately m8???

[Voorheez]

I'm afraid not. But when I do, I promise it'll be good...!

I think it's been about a year since I last did one. I haven't really been playing out much either. Have to make a bit of a comeback soon I think :twisted:

[Yoshimitsu]

many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.

...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?
This is a bit of a harsh statement m8 - maybe think of others having different tastes before you say things are shite. Personally I dislike MC'ing, and if I were to say that was fu*king shite you'd probably take offence.

i personally like some mc,ing, but that was a good point