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I have been busy recording 1min segments of vinyl to go onto a website record shop that my friend is starting up in the UK and in the course of this i have been utterly shocked at the piss poor quality from a lot of the records i have been listening to.
Im not talking about the cut (props to Nilz at the Exchange and Curve Pusher, they rule in terms of quality cuts) im talking about the quality of the music.
i have recorded over 350 records in the last week and as an honest average i would say that 70% were a complete waste of time.
Not only this but some of the tunes i listened to from established artists were bereft of even the slightest attempt at originality - i really wish i could name names and labels but that i refuse to do for obvious reasons.
I find it really depressing and suprising that people spend SO MUCH money releasing records that simply arent fit to be released. Why is this? Do folk go mad?
There were some nice suprises tho! The Kick the Drum records specifically 002 was a really good record, pounding and funky. There were others, but TBH i cant remember their names 350 records tends to do that to a person.
There are a lot of discussion points contained here, some neg some pos, i just found the experience primarily depressing...
OH and BTW, techno producers out there!!!.. Stop using rides as an excuse to avoid sorting your tune out ' "screw it, bang a ride in, that'll make it sound better"
:lol:
o.k. so on second reading i didnt intend this to sound so negative, it wasnt intended as such - if you want to take it as a rant then pleae do so, however...
However...
Ah, **** it. thats my opinion. Im not saying that techno is shit - it clearly isnt, i guess that those people out there trying to be creative and trying to push the envelope, but quite frankly im not seeing it as much as i used to...
Have my ears become jaded? I do know that i accept less junk from established producers than i used to.
victor
22-01-2006, 01:35 PM
shouldn't you be telling your mate he's buying loads of shit records for his shop? ;)
shouldn't you be telling your mate he's buying loads of shit records for his shop? ;)
Right
So Jehrico, Raw, Maximum Minimum and Novamute are off the list then...
Anyway, my point is that whilst these labels are supposed to be good, some of the tracks were NOT good. I was espeically suprised at Novamute.
PS - there were GOOD records, but these were few and far between, its not really a suprise as the amount of horrid music in any genre tends to outweigh the class ones, this is taken as read.
It just suprises me that people are willing t spend ALL that time making records and releasing them when they clearly dont come up to scratch, in terms of structure, sounds and funkiness...
Shame.
Bit depressing really, guess thats my problem tho' and i'll have to get over it ... :cheese:
in case you are wondering i have catalogued the J,K, L and N sections.. thats why those label names are included. not having a dig at them overall, its just the tracks that were crap, really really stank.
man, its going on in most genres...
i mean, i'm getting like 10-20 GB of new shyte every month or two, and i delete 2/3 in the next 2 days.. coz its just bad
wheather we talk about house and techno, or rnb/hiphop, or pop and rock... same thing everywhere...
man, its going on in most genres...
i mean, i'm getting like 10-20 GB of new shyte every month or two, and i delete 2/3 in the next 2 days.. coz its just bad
wheather we talk about house and techno, or rnb/hiphop, or pop and rock... same thing everywhere...
I agree about the genres... i've never had the opportunity to listen to so much music before and its just ****ing shocking. at least it will make the gems shine even more!
dan the acid man
22-01-2006, 08:06 PM
i have to say, since i got the t'interweb thingy a few years ago, i spend alot more time browsing record shops online, as before, i'd be nipping into a record shop in my dinner hour, with only a few minutes to spare.
there are alot of records out there that sound like they've been knocked up on reason in a day, the kind of records i could make easily, and im crap, but i wouldn't dare release them, but some people just don't have that in built quality control, well thats what it seems to me anyway.
as for records not being forward thinking and new sounding, yes, im into that alot, but im also into good music, whether its been done a thousand times already or not.
rhythmtech
22-01-2006, 08:38 PM
t'interweb.
"look, look i'm showin you, i'm showing you"
dan the acid man
22-01-2006, 10:01 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
davethedrummer
22-01-2006, 10:11 PM
i have to say, since i got the t'interweb thingy a few years ago, i spend alot more time browsing record shops online, as before, i'd be nipping into a record shop in my dinner hour, with only a few minutes to spare.
there are alot of records out there that sound like they've been knocked up on reason in a day, the kind of records i could make easily, and im crap, but i wouldn't dare release them, but some people just don't have that in built quality control, well thats what it seems to me anyway.
as for records not being forward thinking and new sounding, yes, im into that alot, but im also into good music, whether its been done a thousand times already or not.
any examples ? / links
i'm curious
dan the acid man
22-01-2006, 11:09 PM
i've just read my post again, and it makes me sound like a right nobber doesn't it, sorry :oops:
sometimes i type and don't think how it looks.
shall i just shut up now before i dig a bigger hole :oops:
oldbugger
22-01-2006, 11:13 PM
no..just get your coat
dan the acid man
22-01-2006, 11:13 PM
i never even take my coat off anymore :oops:
oldbugger
22-01-2006, 11:15 PM
actually it makes perfect sense to me dan. i know where your coming from.
basicaly.. far too many people release shit music.. haha
dan the acid man
22-01-2006, 11:20 PM
don't get me wrong, i have respect for anybody that makes any kind of music, even if im not into it, and i suppose as im not into some of these style of techno, or into that particular record, its easy for me to say, bah thats rubbish, sounds like it was made in a day with no thought behind it......blah blah, when i shouldn't really.
The Overfiend
23-01-2006, 04:26 AM
I'll have to agree.
People are releasing what they feel people want to buy.
Instead of releasing what they want to because some distributor is telling them what they should put out.
Distributors should be quality control.
Some are doing more damage than doing good.
The Divide
23-01-2006, 04:54 AM
OH and BTW, techno producers out there!!!.. Stop using rides as an excuse to avoid sorting your tune out ' "screw it, bang a ride in, that'll make it sound better"
Word to that
OH and BTW, techno producers out there!!!.. Stop using rides as an excuse to avoid sorting your tune out ' "screw it, bang a ride in, that'll make it sound better"
Word to that
Ironically, i am guilty of this from time to time...
Note to self: Sort it OUT! chris.
I'll have to agree.
People are releasing what they feel people want to buy.
Instead of releasing what they want to because some distributor is telling them what they should put out.
Distributors should be quality control.
Some are doing more damage than doing good.
On point man.
eyeswithoutaface
23-01-2006, 09:20 AM
the distributors should be the last line in quality control. it's the label's and producers who should be towing the line where quality control is concerned. Only problem is, most producers have a different threshold for quality control, and most producers seem to think its compulsory to start a label too.
low quality control + your own label = greater potential for bad records
this isnt always the case of course, just the general feel i think. A great example of quality control on your own label is the new Singularity ep. It's a great record, a new label, from someone who genuinely cares about the overall production from the tracks right down to the artwork and little extra's such as online video's, mp3's etc etc.
we need more producers sending stuff out to labels other than their friends all the time and more labels saying "just tweak this a little, or doesnt that sound awfully like such and such"..... and after that we need more distributors to go "im sorry, we have too many labels/records in that vein already, but we are happy to listen to new stuff when u have it" thus in turn not discouraging people altogether but just getting them thinking that maybe they need to raise the bar a little. I dunno, seem's a wise option to me, but of course it wont happen.
it's quite subjective though really overall, i mean technically yeah sure we can all say wether a record should of been cut or not but musically, stylistically then one mans tune is another mans turkey
god i ****ing hate techno sometimes
The Overfiend
23-01-2006, 09:33 AM
I agree and disagree Scott.
Right now it IS the distro's saying well no we wont put it out unless it sounds like or has xyz on it.
FACT.
Anyone having their own label means shit if you have a p and d deal.
Sending shit out to a lot of labels wont do shit, a great amount of this industry is nepotism regardless.
Owning your own label should come with dues paid.
Or genuine passion, I would not judge a non producer for wanting to invest in a label and has been sitting on quality music. If they have the balls to put it out even better.
People that release shite, they lose integrity in time.
Our time will come again man, cyclic motions. As long as people love music, we will be here.
Disco did not die, it became house.
eyeswithoutaface
23-01-2006, 09:53 AM
it's not a fact about the distro's being so blunt, it happens, its happened to me actually, but it depends on the label, how big the label's profile is, how big the label owners profile is etc etc. Ive' had all but one planned release go through ok to the stage where its in line for cut and definately, and the one that got away as it were was indeed as you say a distributor involvement, but strangely they thought a track sounded "too much like schranz". It wasnt schranzy in the slightest, it wasnt even a hard track so im not sure what happened there.
its the same point re owning your own label, you can get a p and d and just jump onboard. That's what i meant, there are too many people doing this, and for shitty p and d deals aswell, and just end up working at a loss for a few releases before carrying on at a loss or just quitting it. I did say most. And i gave a great, detailed example of where this isnt the case. Singularity, its a quality record, quality cut, great tracks, little extra's. Yeah, that's what a new label should be about.
and i personally prefer the challenge of getting onto other people's label's, it is true that there is nepotism in the industry, but theres nepotism in every walk of life. Do you think Bush would be where he is now if Daddy hadnt been there before him?
I think there are alot more credible people in techno than people give them credit for, way too much playa hating going on at the moment as it where, if people are doing genuinely bad stuff, then let them, it's their life really and people should just concentrate on their own stuff more rather than trying to disect everyone else's sound a little too much. Iv'e been guilty of this in the past i can hold my hands up to that, but ive learnt from that. It's not a competition .
I think there are alot more credible people in techno than people give them credit for, way too much playa hating going on at the moment as it where, if people are doing genuinely bad stuff, then let them, it's their life really and people should just concentrate on their own stuff more rather than trying to disect everyone else's sound a little too much. Iv'e been guilty of this in the past i can hold my hands up to that, but ive learnt from that. It's not a competition .
Good words.
P.S. I sometimes mistake myself for a player hater... (i also mistake myself for a producer :lol: but thats another story)
It isnt a competition, you quite right.
eyeswithoutaface
23-01-2006, 10:58 AM
we is alllllll grawwwwn up now mannnnn!
eyeswithoutaface
23-01-2006, 11:16 AM
that was said in the style of Patrick Trueman, the great Eastender
The Overfiend
23-01-2006, 03:03 PM
Who looks at it like competition?
Only distributors when it comes to sales I believe.
dirty_bass
23-01-2006, 10:01 PM
Sales do need to be taken into account.
If a record won`t sell, then there is little point releasing it.
And as a rule distributers do know what sells.
Sure some risk taking is needed, but distributers aren`t adverse to taking risks when the costs aren`t on them.
But at the same time, if they know something won`t sell because it is just another version of something they already have, then they won`t sell it.
these days this is especially relevant, as everyone who can`t get a release is just bringing out their own label these days.
There are over a hundred labels out there putting out techno, and if you can`t get released on one of them, then you need to think very hard about starting a label.
Mindful
23-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Some great thoughts there from you there Scott.
There are over a hundred labels out there putting out techno, and if you can`t get released on one of them, then you need to think very hard about starting a label.
Even after all my harsh words about techno i still love the genre and i guess most of my angst is about how the much music I heard has become formulaic, i LONG to be suprised by a dance music track..
I say 'dance music' as this covers so many bases, so many bases i like, but from my perspective it all comes back to the intimacy and immediacy of techno or rather electronic music. I dislike the term techno, it means nothing. FFS shops in poland that have something to do with technoloy have the sign 'techno' above them (much hilarity and photo taking happened on that day... :lol:)
its just a word. I still love the description D.May gave it or it might have J.Atkins.. "its made of sounds you never heard before" i still remember this when writing music, sure there are some elements that remain a constant.. a decent kick that works with the tune etc... but sounds that are fresh.. now thats what i live for. Be it a techno label, a house label etc etc.
The reason i quote DB is because that very same spirit that lives within the indie scene (techno scene, punk scene etc etc) has relevance, people who believe in what they do and want to contribute to the evolution of the sound very often have to ignore the rules and strike out on their own, new labels, indie labels.
Making money is always a nice bonus, but if you want big bucks, go into film sound, that aside, i think some people confuse their desire to be 'in' a scene with their ability or desire to write music. Those who make a scene or genre never did it because theu wanted to be in there... the place they wanted to be never existed, they just made good music, or music that came from withinand was honest and paid no attention to what others had done before them, sure they took influences, but never became subsumed into what was already there.
I partly blame commercialism for this apparent inability of people to stick to their guns, as a genre ages, people get old, they get married they have lives that require a steady influx of cash. Get a washing machine, get a tumble dryer, get a life. Enjoy coca cola and make music in a safe and unexciting manner, promote it and hope that people buy the music. Get signed to a label and hope they pay you. Join the rat race.
I remember watching some videos from the XXX ska scene a while ago, these were kids playing in scout huts during the day time, taking no drugs, alcohol or having sexc before marriage (i kid you not) the energy and enthusiasm they displayed was brilliant.. (the tunes were dubious mind :lol:) but they contributed without saying .. where is my money?
Right then.. i've clearly bored you enough (stop slicing your wrists at the back, the cleaner'll play merry hell...!) My final point is that i'd like to forget techno and just ride the waves of my own subconcious, mash up all the musical influences i ever heard and see what comes out at the other end, techno doesnt reside in a synthesizer, it doesnt live in a drum machine - it was ALWAYS there.. the funky bit in "My Sharona" the energy in "the ace of spades" the aggression in loads that metallica did... the funk in a james brown song... the sex in ghetto tech...
And FFS it DOESNT live in a 303 or a 909, or an 808...
oh, and for all the ladies out there.. it lives in my pants.
:eyes:
The Overfiend
24-01-2006, 01:50 AM
On effin' point!
holotropik
24-01-2006, 08:27 AM
wicked wordz dodgy....
man, there is some serious s.hite being discussed on here lately.
eyeswithoutaface
24-01-2006, 09:39 AM
Dodgy's been at the gin again guys, watch out!
;)
:doh: scott twigged! actually it was slovenian dalmatian juice (dont know the proper name its unpronouncable)
and in my defence i only had two glasses...
eyeswithoutaface
24-01-2006, 10:27 AM
hahahaha good man
The Overfiend
25-01-2006, 01:51 AM
Scott prefers Rotten Milk like those aliens in that show inthe 80's back when!
actually it was slovenian dalmatian juice (dont know the proper name its unpronouncable)
wonder what that is
only thing dalmatia (dalmacija, south adriatic region of croatia) has in common with slovenia are tourists during summer ;)
dirty_bass
25-01-2006, 11:21 AM
Scott prefers Rotten Milk like those aliens in that show inthe 80's back when!
Alien nation.hehe
cool series.
actually it was slovenian dalmatian juice (dont know the proper name its unpronouncable)
wonder what that is
only thing dalmatia (dalmacija, south adriatic region of croatia) has in common with slovenia are tourists during summer ;)
Twas a silly name we gave to the cursed drink. The liquid is 40% and has a picture of two lovely slovenian girls in traditional dress in a field on the front, the bottle has rounded sides and is made of clear glass.
Any help?
I need help.
TechMouse
25-01-2006, 02:35 PM
it was slovenian dalmatian juice
You liquidised a dog?
Aha! here we are...
http://www.coha.hr/13_travarica_veliki.jpg
Potion indeed!
Travarica! (trava-ree-tsa)
dirty_bass
25-01-2006, 02:45 PM
ooh, that stuff is nasty.
TechMouse
25-01-2006, 03:00 PM
How does it compare to Unicum?
http://www.martinez.pl/pict/likiery/likiery_zwack_unicum_05.jpg
dirty_bass
25-01-2006, 03:54 PM
hahaha
Zwack
that`s what it does to you
A few shots
and the.....
ZWACK!!!!
Aha! here we are...
http://www.coha.hr/13_travarica_veliki.jpg
Potion indeed!
has a picture of two lovely slovenian girls in traditional dress in a field on the front, the bottle has rounded sides and is made of clear glass.
man, I dont see no girls there... :paranoid: you should stop drinking :cheese:
btw, yes yes... travarica is our famous path to self destruction :cheese: l
SlavikSvensk
25-01-2006, 05:59 PM
Travarica! (trava-ree-tsa)
made from grass, i believe.
had some weekend before last...brought over from stolac in bosnia. proper rot-gut, grow-hair-on-your-chest moonshine.
fantastic.
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