wet squelchy hats

[p_brane]

can anyone shed any light on how some producers get really squelchy hihats in there techno. i'm trying all sorts to no avail.

cheers

[dirty_bass]

can anyone shed any light on how some producers get really squelchy hihats in there techno. i'm trying all sorts to no avail.

cheers

link to some examples and maybe I can help.

[rhythmtech]

you try a light flange over them.. that usually produces squelchy wetness

[RDR]

to further the flange issue (something we would all like no doubt FNARR FNARR) Turn up the the LFO speed on the flange will give a squelch a little pre flage distortion might help this as well..

[loopdon]

I found the following plugin to be sweet on hihats/shakers, preset: what's this.

http://home.versatel.nl/breebaar/downloads/ferox/ferox.jpg

JB Ferox is a free tape saturation modeller VST plugin. It has separate controls for saturation and hysteresis effects. Feedback with variable tape speed is provided to simulate vintage tape echos.

http://www.jeroenbreebaart.com/

http://home.versatel.nl/breebaar/downloads/ferox/ferox.zip

[dirty_bass]

can anyone shed any light on how some producers get really squelchy hihats in there techno. i'm trying all sorts to no avail.

cheers

Are you maybe talking about the type of hats that regis etc use?

[loopdon]

What's so special about regis hats? Seriously, out of interest. Haven't got any regis here.

[p_brane]

regis etc?
hats sound good whats the secret dirty bass?

[dirty_bass]

Right, well I can only speculate, as I don`t really talk to any of the boys from the black polar neck side of techno.
But I can give you my version of how I do it.

Generally in a lot of dark techno, particularly from the birmingham camp, there was a trend in the top end percussion.
Very wet shakers, that kinda went, shar shar shar shar but sounded very large and wide.

Geenrally, it`s shakers being used and not hats, the patterns tend to be fairly loose (groove quantised to some kind of jazz swing).

When going for this sound, I use a combination of shaker samples and white noise shaker like sounds, generally made with a percussion generator like Drumatic or something similar.
2 or maybe even 3 separate shakers layered up, but with the patterns not exactly matching, so it sounds like a bunch of people playing shakers.
If you are using a couple of white noise type shakers, use filters to tonally separate them, as pitching white noise doesn`t make any difference.

Then I use a nice stereo separation plug in, to get the whole lot nice and wide, via a bus they are all grouped to, with maybe a touch of wave shaping/fuzz or something to add just a little digital grit to the higher frequencies.

and some nice EQ to sparkle it all a bit.

Don`t compress them, as a rule compressing your top end is a bad idea.

that should do ya.
Sometimes a little bit crushing is nice too, to break the sound apart a bit.

You shouldn`t need to mess with chorus or flange too much, as it tends to round of the sound and take away some of the nice abrasiveness.

the wetness comes from the width, the mix of groove quantisation and the use of analog noise generators.

[p_brane]

great answer from he who is so wise in the realms of production

i really appreciate the quick reply.

and what your sayin all makes sense.

thanks again mr dirty bass

[techno_smack]

does any one know where i can find some shaker loops and samples?

[TechMouse]

There's a couple here (http://www.shaker-loops.com/samples.html).

[dirty_bass]

does any one know where i can find some shaker loops and samples?

I`d suggest signing up to this place.
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php?sid=06de4c8ba6305711cdb5a9e2a3bf8477

If you contribute to it as well, then you increase the resources for everyone.

In fact if we all sign up to this and pool samples this place could be a great resource.

[techno_smack]

cheers

[ampassasinbirmingham]

Geenrally, it`s shakers being used and not hats, the patterns tend to be fairly loose (groove quantised to some kind of jazz swing).

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