Where does hardstyle and hard trance go from here?

[MARKEG]

With all the recent controversy surrounding hardstyle/hard trance and how it's been represented in Mixmag, where do you see it going?

Will the underground dj's leave hardstyle alone immedaitely?
Will hard trance/hardstyle become a dirty word?
Will dj's steer clear of the hard Italian sound and look for more melody?

Your thoughts are appreciated!

[The Teknoist.]

personaly...im just gonna get on with it, play what i like 2 play same as always. Hardstyle a dirty word? nah dont reckon so.

Why should we let 1 article in 'that' magazine (hehehe) dictate the way we dj, its not about that afterall. Nothing can take away the fact that the sound which falls under that pigeon is phenomenal.

If DJs are gonna change their style just over this, well then 'that' mag has won if u know wot i mean.

If anything this situ will probably making us gel and communicate a bit more (hopefully)

What are your views Mark?

Mike

[DJ Ginge]

Play what you like and what you think is good, mix it up, play a bit of everything - don't limit yourselves by genre names.

There'll be new genres in the future that you might like too, doesn't mean that if you're currently a hard trance DJ you should never go near anything else does it.

Look at all the legends in dance music that all used to play fairly similar tunes on the same bill (think - Sy, Sasha, Carl Cox, Grooverider, etc).

Dance music (and music in general) always evolves - nothing wrong with that - it's just natural.

[MARKEG]

Nothing in the way I play, think and enjoy what I do will change. Everytime something has become commercially acceptable throughout the last 20 years, I've gone the other way. I will not be changing musically unless a style I play becomes blindingly commercial.

Perhaps it's becoming harder than ever to find something that is as underground and 'underground' used to be, but we will find it - even if it may be only a few months before other people find it. we are all having to look harder to become unique. Tough I know, but that's what sets the men apart from the boys.

But somewhere where I differ to alot of people is I actually want to play my underground sound to as many people as possible. I love the bigger events where I can can get my message across to lots of people - just as I love the smaller events. I love writing for the press, cause more people know abut my music. This does not mean I am commercial - I just want everyone to be able to hear good, underground/futuristic music that is not cained by commercial DJ's.

Perhaps it seems to some like I'm contradicting myself? But back in the 80's I was always the kid back at the afterparty playing techno to a bunch of house heads who didn't really want to hear it. I've always been the one who's wanted my tape on in the car, because I really want people to understand my sound. Maybe now, that has the potential to make me look commercial in some respects, but as they say - old habits die hard. If only everyone was into the underground sound/mindset... music would not be in the state it's in...

Stick with what you believe in - that's my way forward....

[The Teknoist.]

Iv always stuck to what i believe in. Iv had to, i mainly play across the board harcore techno ie. from slow Nu skool gabber to break neck speedcore. The fact i play that mainly isnt a choice id love to play hard trance/techno out as much and to be honest its happening alot more recently.

So when u say that u were the kid who back at parties played techno to house heads, im the same but in a more hated get him off the dex sense! Even hard trance and techno lovers despise hardcore techno and thats a fact, my good m8 Saki Nzyme(whos on this forum) whinges when im at his and i bang on some new Rebel Scum.hehehehe(tho that is why i play it there.hah!) I know exactly what ur saying also about wanting the other people 2 understand ur/our music. You try ur hardest dontcha but their oblivious to any reason. Tho at the same time i love doing it, its one of the many reasons i love playing what i do.

As for you wanting to play 2 big crowds and getting it across to more ppl, thats not being commercial thats just damn normal. I love it. I played b2b with Dolphin at the North xmas party in the main room 12-1.15 and thats the most ppl iv ever played hardcore techno to (about 600 in the main room) the busiest iv ever seen it and it was the most excilarating feeling ever, both me n greg agreed that it was one of if not the best set we'd played and gregs played out a fair more years than i have. Iv played trance/techno 2 alot more but it wasnt the same 2 me. So i know completely where your coming from as i reckon most on this forum do. We all have the same strong feelings for our scene, we just think that we can benefit them differently at times

Mike

[roadkill]

Check u lot out! people onlt ever buy mixmag to look at the pictures anyway mate, decide on a new outfit for that big night out or whatever. U didn't over-react Mark, if I was in ur shoes i'd have something to say about it too. All i'm saying is let's keep things in perspective!

Loz

:)

[MARKEG]

Perspective? Perspective is different for different ppl. It actually all depends how much all of this music thing means to you.

I'll talk about certain synth sounds on a track until the cows come - I'll try to get a kick drum sounding right on a track by adjusting a certain frequency for 13 hours. I'll spend a whole night loosing sleep because someone wrote that my arse smells and my music sucks. And then I'll write 6 page essays on message boards about it!!! In my little world, a Mixmag interview matters! I don't care if ppl look at the pics! It just matters...

... I'm just damn passionate about what I do - and so are alot of people on this board. Perspective is a very person thing, so if I want to worry about where hardtrance and hardstyle will go from here please let me man!!!! hahahaha

but yes, you have a point - i reckon the mixmag thing will create a nice little stir within our scene and then affect absolutely none of us down the line - it'll be back to judge jules and godskitchen. thus our arguements and views will have apparently been made for nothing.

APPARENTLY.

i think alot of us after this will know where each of us are coming from and it'll help us shape a really healthy, respectful scene.

[The Teknoist.]

hahahaha. ye man, im a total sample hoarder and kick drum manipulator. Its addictive. You end up sitting up all night just making/searching for different noises and not even starting a new track. I so know that half my friends do this also tho which is a relief.

Music for some is a complete obssession and i wudnt have it any other way.

Also i think Loz sed u 'didnt' over react and not 'did' amigo! :)

[MARKEG]

yes i know i just edited my reply.. hehehehe....

[roadkill]

touchy! i don't produce or even mix music but that doesn't mean i'm not passionate about it, music is what makes my world go round and excuse me for not being so completly anal about it that i have to throw the toys out of the pram over a few name-tags (so to speak) that have been given to a music style! have a word!!

i'm a raver, hear me roar! hahaahahaha

x

[MARKEG]

hey sorry roadkill.... i read your reply wrong...

so i changed my reply before as you can see.....

i thought you were saying i over reacted. but then i realised you said i 'didn't' over react. sorry mate. a long, long day...

but hey yes, i am anal about music. i do worry about name tags. and i do worry about how the press present our scene... that's just me :lol:

[The Teknoist.]

its not just u tho man, ur surrounded by anal music geeks and were all damn proud of it.

heheheh :)

[MARKEG]

LONG LIVE THE ANAL GEEKY MUSIC FRONT-SEATERS WHO'VE GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR TIME THAN TO WANK OFF TO THE 1DB LOUDER HI-HAT THAT'S SLIGHTLY LESS WELL PRODUCED THAT THE HI-HAT THAT PUSHES THE HI FREQS A BIT TO MUCH OVER THE 10,000KHZ THRESHOLD ON THE B-SIDE!

I'M ANAL AND I'M PROUD - GOD DAMN IT!

[MARKEG]

and if you don't like it - **** OFF!!!! hahahahahaha :D

[Manny]

Nothing in the way I play, think and enjoy what I do will change. Everytime something has become commercially acceptable throughout the last 20 years, I've gone the other way. I will not be changing musically unless a style I play becomes blindingly commercial.

Perhaps it's becoming harder than ever to find something that is as underground and 'underground' used to be, but we will find it - even if it may be only a few months before other people find it. we are all having to look harder to become unique. Tough I know, but that's what sets the men apart from the boys.

But somewhere where I differ to alot of people is I actually want to play my underground sound to as many people as possible. I love the bigger events where I can can get my message across to lots of people - just as I love the smaller events. I love writing for the press, cause more people know abut my music. This does not mean I am commercial - I just want everyone to be able to hear good, underground/futuristic music that is not cained by commercial DJ's.

Perhaps it seems to some like I'm contradicting myself? But back in the 80's I was always the kid back at the afterparty playing techno to a bunch of house heads who didn't really want to hear it. I've always been the one who's wanted my tape on in the car, because I really want people to understand my sound. Maybe now, that has the potential to make me look commercial in some respects, but as they say - old habits die hard. If only everyone was into the underground sound/mindset... music would not be in the state it's in...

Stick with what you believe in - that's my way forward....


The bottom line is this mate you are an entertainer and you care about people you should not change what you do if the wankers try and take our music and commercialise it something else will pop out and bite you it always does you like me and the other people on this board are homed in we are all one and nobody will ever change that seek and you will find my friend.

Let them try and take what is rightfully ours,and see what happens.

I feel for you at mo but follow your instint bro.

Manny

[roadkill]

totally respect u guys for it really. anyway, that's enough from me, i'll hopefully see ya at the emporium on the 24th for some more north action!

in a bit

x

[annubyss]

no where but up!!!! :D

[Chris Hare]

at the end of the day our music has leggs... the technology will continue to grow.... the style`s will change.... the labels we put on our sound will to, all we have to do to be innovative is be creative... in the way we play our sound and the way we make our music... personally im not to fussed what mixmag have to say about my music after all its only an opinion and the perspective of all who read that opinion will be different anyway(i havent read this article everyones talking about so dont bite my head off if its really really substantial shit) the thirst for fresh underground music will never be quenched thats why theres so much diversity out there.. i cant see peoples opinions efeecting us to much after all we and many many people love and live for this music!! :wink:

[sean.demaine]

is this article in the present issue of mixmag ?? , cus I dont ever buy it ???

[darkstar]

is this article in the present issue of mixmag ?? , cus I dont ever buy it ???

Dont those mags suck anyway

[acidhead]

With all the recent controversy surrounding hardstyle/hard trance and how it's been represented in Mixmag, where do you see it going?


faster and harder is the only direction it can go really isnt it?

[log:one]

well i hope not... hardstyle got hard enough for me already, i think there's more interesting ways to develop than faster and harder...
how about structural changes, not presenting it in a
"mix-in - sample - bassline - noise - break -noise - bassline" instant gratification way... for me thats the only way to keep the mainstream's grubby mitts off it... if you cant do a radio edit then you should be safe...
i think thats a problem with hardstyle, is that a lot of the tunes are presented in a "get to the sample quick! and then repeat it loads!" sort of way, which makes it susceptible to gaylords with beer in their hand shouting along to the samples... also tracks like that "sick on the dick" on suntec dont help matters, but then there's always been the odd god-awful track in every genre... and it tends to be those that cross over...

ok, enough rambling.... see if you can pick out any good points from the above.

[RichieV]

Nothing in the way I play, think and enjoy what I do will change. Everytime something has become commercially acceptable throughout the last 20 years, I've gone the other way. I will not be changing musically unless a style I play becomes blindingly commercial.

Perhaps it's becoming harder than ever to find something that is as underground and 'underground' used to be, but we will find it - even if it may be only a few months before other people find it. we are all having to look harder to become unique. Tough I know, but that's what sets the men apart from the boys.

But somewhere where I differ to alot of people is I actually want to play my underground sound to as many people as possible. I love the bigger events where I can can get my message across to lots of people - just as I love the smaller events. I love writing for the press, cause more people know abut my music. This does not mean I am commercial - I just want everyone to be able to hear good, underground/futuristic music that is not cained by commercial DJ's.

Perhaps it seems to some like I'm contradicting myself? But back in the 80's I was always the kid back at the afterparty playing techno to a bunch of house heads who didn't really want to hear it. I've always been the one who's wanted my tape on in the car, because I really want people to understand my sound. Maybe now, that has the potential to make me look commercial in some respects, but as they say - old habits die hard. If only everyone was into the underground sound/mindset... music would not be in the state it's in...

Stick with what you believe in - that's my way forward....

i find this school of thought very immature. The sole decision you should make on any type of music is if it makes you move or strikes an emotional chord. If you are making musical decisions based on what other people are listening to , you will always be one step behind. DO what you want , listen to what you want and don't take the time to find out what the mainstream is listning too. If you like a song and it is commercial who cares. Be real to yourself , and you will make real music.

this is my opinion

[Hakka.]

Which way the music will go? hell... there is nothing for it to move to that is obvious...

I think we will continue to get more and more releases from more countries and labels and the only way of moving forward with the music will be for us to filter out the music which is dated, already done or of poor quality.

I hope that Hardstye continues on its path and that hard trance continues to better itself and evolve. To move on in the music scene to a newer sound is not about changing the speed or how hard it is as there's other genres which can cater for that, to move on is finding a new method of delivering your music through production. New concepts, new approaches and ideas for hard trance is what we need.

[DJ Corbzy]

I really think we just have to go with the flow and see where the ride takes us, sure we can vent it into some directions, but what will happen, will happen...all we can do is continue to offer well promoted nights and continue to make decent trance and get it out there...

8)

[Hakka.]

well said Corbz.

What ever is destined for our music has already been decided... we just have to wait and listen.

[DJ Corbzy]

Also another thing...we have to keep it underground...thats the main rule, if we allow the cheesesters to jump on take it out to the beerheads, were f.ucked...

8)

[MARKEG]

immature? hmmm... i'm 30 for gods sake.. hehehe...

[DJ Corbzy]

immature = no



****in nuts = and the survey says..... :idea: BING!

[MARKEG]

anyway to break down this reply by Richie:

> I find this school of thought very immature.

fair play, you have your view... but i'm definitely not immature.. this is my whole life.

> The sole decision you should make on any type of music is if it makes you move or strikes an emotional chord. If you are making musical decisions based on what other people are listening to , you will always be one step behind.

no i don't agree. my whole musical life is in two parts. 1) what i love 2) what other ppl love. I spend ages researching into other ppl (ie crowd reactions, stuff that's played on the radio etc etc) and then I have music that I LOVE. if i dj'ed for me, i guarantee you i wouldn't be here now. you'd all hate me. i'd have a proper job. my whole thought process is that you can't get other ppl into your music without bridges. it's those bridges that interest me probably as much as music that i love in my heart.

> DO what you want , listen to what you want and don't take the time to find out what the mainstream is listning too. If you like a song and it is commercial who cares. Be real to yourself , and you will make real music.

and then you won't be able to pay the rent. sorry but this is a reality. and i'm 30 years old. all i want is a life in music. the music i love with a passion is very deep in my soul and i play it out regularly. but if i played a whole set of this i'd clear the dancefloor. instead i play music that i love and enjoy but can bridge, as well as music i love with a passion - this crosses bridges to my true music.

[MARKEG]

anyway - isn't this really off topic???

[dj vorny]

RESPECT :D

[DJ Corbzy]

hmmm... i'm 30 for gods sake.. hehehe...

sounds like Mark is having a mid-life crisis....what we didnt see there is that he started crying...

[Si the Sigh]

:cry:

[MARKEG]

i already had my crisis about six months ago :D

[MARKEG]

you know it was bloody horrible. you keep thinking that your never going to be young ever again :(

then you learn you're only as young as your mind tells you you are!

that makes me 13 years old!

[DJ Corbzy]

you know it was bloody horrible. you keep thinking that your never going to be young ever again :(

then you learn you're only as young as your mind tells you you are!

that makes me 13 years old!

2 years older than me then.... :lol:

[acid-project]

loose alot of those nasty synths and over used old-school samples,
take the sound of early nooms and carry on, avoiding the problem of
it all going tits in the mid 90s, and sounding shite since ! ;o) easy lol
sorry if that sounds too hard, but its the truth.