A winge of sorts.

[dirty_bass]

This place used to be fantastic as a great place for learning and critical disection.
All I seem to see now is the following comments.

Great tune mate!!!!
Very Professional!!!

etc

When really there`s a lot of stuff that`s not pro at all.
Now I know it`s a bit moany, but no one seems to be learning anything much.

there used to be a fairly rapid learning curve in this place with peoples productions getting critiqued and then coming back with noticable improvement.

I don`t see that any more. It seems like a lot of peeps are treading water, and meerly posting for props.

So yeah, it is me moaning, and pissing on the chips again, but it`s about time there was a good critique process back in here, and some kind of drive for improvement.

I don`t really bother commenting at all about productions in here any more, cos most people get offended at production critique, and it seems all the old school people (in BOA temrs) who used to help out by doing the same, feel the same as me (ie DSP, X5, Jay, Scot etc).

Now I`m not getting involved with this side of the forum any more, but c`mon peeps, there needs to be a proper discussion in here about production.
Artist communities are there to encourage improvement, and say the harsh things needed, that your mates can`t.

[Elvio Neto]

i agree with you


but many people dont have Knowledge to make a good critic


i totally understand you ,

one day ze migl give a review of one of my tracks in his forum, the way he tell me the errors on the track and what i shoud improve was amazing and very constructive , thats what whe want when whe post tracks on foruns

the xperts on the forum have to be more active :)


i allways like to see your reviews dirty bass , i hope you can review my future tracks

[eyeswithoutaface]

agree 100% mate, which is exactly why i dont post my comments anymore, it's just not worth it, as some people just are not as humble as they like to think they are, and genuinely helpful, critical analysis just seems to offend some people as it goes in one ear and out of the other

so i stick to giving comments on tracks and music people actually ask me too, and gladly too. I also get any critique im after in this way too as if i posted on here i can kinda tell i wont get in depth feedback which i strive for, which i get from people like yourself on msn and what not

i still however check most of the stuff posted here, and there are a few people who have brilliant production so its good to see some people still learning and cracking on

the production forum is where i get's most of me help these days

[The Overfiend]

Then do something about it, critique people then. If you don't like the way something is then do your part to change it. Instead of complaining about it. If it's so much better to get critique on Msn then do what you gotta do there why shit on what goes on around here, like it is a crime to like what you hear, everyone hears different flaws. If you think something needs critique around here then open your mouth and say so, you guys have no issues voicing your opinions elsewhere.

[eyeswithoutaface]

Then do something about it, critique people then. If you don't like the way something is then do your part to change it. Instead of complaining about it. If it's so much better to get critique on Msn then do what you gotta do there why shit on what goes on around here, like it is a crime to like what you hear, everyone hears different flaws. If you think something needs critique around here then open your mouth and say so, you guys have no issues voicing your opinions elsewhere.

literaly couldnt of scripted it better

[The Overfiend]

Don't be facetious Scot seriously If you don't like something stop complaining and do something about it, instead of crying like children about how f*cked up something is.

[eyeswithoutaface]

firstly, i wasnt complaining. I was in agreement with someone, the initial post came from steve...

secondly, not at all, but once again the whole point of steve's initial post has gone way over your head mate. Undeniably, the whole root of the post is steve's obvious frustration at the fact he's tried to do something about it, many, many times, as have myself, Chris, Steve (Casual) among others, but to pretty much no avail. I'd personally have to use Brad as a good example of someone however who has got his head around constructive criticism as i think its fair to say when he was first posting tracks he didnt always take the critique in the best way, but once he realised it's valuable help and started to take it on board, particulary help steve gave him, then this how helped alot and his production has clearly come on a whole lot, obviously this is mainly down to his hard work but undoubtedly these things play a part

it doesnt matter who said the initial comment but this place is alot different to how it used to be in terms of the help that can be mustered. Im far too busy these days unfortunately to spend as much time here as i'd like to actually make a difference, but it would be nice to think there was some fresh blood coming through who thought on similiar wavelenghts when it came to production

[The Overfiend]

See that's your problem no one was f*ckin talking to you to begin with, and you chimed in on what I said, I got the point in what Steve was sayin' homeboy. I wasn't even talking to you, so go do something with yourself instead of trying to sniff a carcass everytime I post in disagreement with your jedi master. As far as Brad is concerned I think it's his dilligence and practice over time that has been his benefactor, I should know.

[eyeswithoutaface]

Don't be facetious Scot seriously If you don't like something stop complaining and do something about it, instead of crying like children about how f*cked up something is.

ahh right, i must of got confused then when i read that, obviously not aimed at me....

you may have got the point but you've done nothing except back up the initial post. This is just a discussion about giving constructive crit and your off like a firecracker as they say

as for Brad, i was actually praising him there, and its not about know's what. It's about what is evident, and i fail to believe he hasnt gained any help from here.

Just like us all

and steve wishes he was my Jedi Master. And i mean, wishes.

[The Overfiend]

literaly couldnt of scripted it better

Oh you mad cause I'm stylin' on you.
Goin' off like a firecracker?
Scott you ain't got the powder to get me crackin' anymore homeboy.
But the dedication to Brad thread is great promo for him, Golf Clap.

[eyeswithoutaface]

Oh you mad cause I'm stylin' on you.
Goin' off like a firecracker?
Scott you ain't got the powder to get me crackin' anymore homeboy.
But the dedication to Brad thread is great promo for him, Golf Clap.

well of course, anyone who puts in effort and make's noticable improvements like Brad deserves a heads up for sure

[The Overfiend]

http://www.343guiltysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/douchebag2.jpg

That's what I tell Brad Daily.

[eyeswithoutaface]

http://www.343guiltysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/douchebag2.jpg

That's what I tell Brad Daily.

whose Brad Daily?

[BRADLEE]

Well, I'm quite flattered be half the topic at hand here. While I do agree that I've definitely learned from people being constructive with giving me advice; I also think that music is a constant learning process for everyone. Steve..DB he has helped me quite a bit with mixdown especially back when I first started posting on BOA. Although my ear remains less critical than his still because he has loads more experiance with mastering and engineering music in general. So I can't always offer the same level of advice that some people can.

But I also think sometimes when people post critique...it's sometimes just opinion. Because we all hear and see things from a differant point of view. One persons opinion will varie from another. One might say needs more Bass, one might say...needs more highs about the very same tune.

I think a persons views on mastering is a matter of ones perceptions in what they want to hear too. Frankly if all things were mastered exactly the same value, wouldn't that make music overall less dynamic? Because maybe one person who writes a tune will intend it to sound a certain way....want certain elements to stick out more than others, then somebody else might have a totally differant idea of what sound they wish to achieve. I think having that variation is kind of nice.

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....

I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

[xfive]

Chill out peeps!
I agree with Steve here.. I will get back into listening to tracks.
Just been in my own little world lately and I apologize for that, and haven't been reading boa as much.
I will check in here more often and try to listen to things. If by any means someone wants me to listen to something directly send me a PM and it will hit my email... much faster than me remembering to check the forum.

We need a bit of a re-kindling of the flame so to speak. It used to be wicked in here..
Personally I haven't been making much lately so that probably accounts for my end :)

[xfive]

PS
We don't need to have flame wars in here either guys...
Not going to help out anyone's production.

[The Overfiend]

Well, I'm quite flattered be half the topic at hand here. While I do agree that I've definitely learned from people being constructive with giving me advice; I also think that music is a constant learning process for everyone. Steve..DB he has helped me quite a bit with mixdown especially back when I first started posting on BOA. Although my ear remains less critical than his still because he has loads more experiance with mastering and engineering music in general. So I can't always offer the same level of advice that some people can.

But I also think sometimes when people post critique...it's sometimes just opinion. Because we all hear and see things from a differant point of view. One persons opinion will varie from another. One might say needs more Bass, one might say...needs more highs about the very same tune.

I think a persons views on mastering is a matter of ones perceptions in what they want to hear too. Frankly if all things were mastered exactly the same value, wouldn't that make music overall less dynamic? Because maybe one person who writes a tune will intend it to sound a certain way....want certain elements to stick out more than others, then somebody else might have a totally differant idea of what sound they wish to achieve. I think having that variation is kind of nice.

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....

I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

Golf Clap, douchebag.

[BRADLEE]

Golf Clap, douchebag.

Is that regular or spring fresh Scented :laughing:

[The Overfiend]

Vinegar and woses

[p_brane]

its funny how things get heated in here.

reminds me of the "production methods?" thread in BOA production forum.

personally, i put my tunes up here for constructive critisism, i'm new to this game.

i feel comments/feedback help me enormously (good or bad)

however, i dont really think that i'm at the sort of level yet where i can be giving enormously helpful feedback to anyone else. i still have a long way to go myself.

i must admit, there arent a lot of people who comment regularly on my stuff, but the ones who do help me loads.

dirty bass> maybe if some of you old timers:; might shed some of your wisdom on our productions we might be able to improve faster and then be able to pass that on to others in the future.

anyhoo.

just thought i'd make me voice heard.

lets keep it nice peeps, no need to get all nasty at each other

alec

[dirty_bass]

Then do something about it, critique people then. If you don't like the way something is then do your part to change it. Instead of complaining about it. If it's so much better to get critique on Msn then do what you gotta do there why shit on what goes on around here, like it is a crime to like what you hear, everyone hears different flaws. If you think something needs critique around here then open your mouth and say so, you guys have no issues voicing your opinions elsewhere.

I simply don`t have the time.

I am busy with commercial mastering work, as well as reviewing stuff for the radio show, and running personal critiques via msn and email.

I listen to a lot of what gets posted here, but to be honest, to critically analyse ONE track takes at least 15-20 minutes of listening, then you have to write about it.

I know you yourself don`t like critique, so this is the main drive of your commenting, but I`ve seen so many other people benefit from this part of the forum through critique, and go on to be amazing professional producers, it`s a shame for that to stop happening, as really, that was the best thing about this whole forum.

I myself benefitted from it endlessly in the early days, and did what I could over the following years to feed back the love, but all these newbies get offended too easily.

If you want props, go to your mates, they will allways tell you your tune is good, no matter how shit it is, but this place used to be great for objectivity.
I don`t see that so much now. And I see nothing wrong with pointing that out.

All this "only make positive comments" is subjective. I am commenting positively in my eyes. By pointing out negatives you can surely inspire people to make a positive change.

If it was only smiles and kisses in the world, then we would have none of the great art we have now.

[dirty_bass]

But I also think sometimes when people post critique...it's sometimes just opinion. Because we all hear and see things from a differant point of view. One persons opinion will varie from another. One might say needs more Bass, one might say...needs more highs about the very same tune.

I think a persons views on mastering is a matter of ones perceptions in what they want to hear too. Frankly if all things were mastered exactly the same value, wouldn't that make music overall less dynamic? Because maybe one person who writes a tune will intend it to sound a certain way....want certain elements to stick out more than others, then somebody else might have a totally differant idea of what sound they wish to achieve. I think having that variation is kind of nice.

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....

I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

Hmm youdon`t really understand mixing and mastering if you can say this.
It`s fairly obvious when elements are badly eq`d or too loud, and isn`t really that subjective. Blatant problems are blatant problems.

It`s a good way of justifying bad production though ie
"dude, you bass and mid is really muddy, can`t hear a thing"

"oh I meant it to be that way"

"what, badly made?"

"no man, that`s my style!

"what, your style is shit-style?"

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000][COLOR=silver]I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

This final comment really holds no water in this day and age.

Everyone has access to the equipment now, pretty much, so there are far more "musicians" out there.

And quite frankly, judging by the amount of demos I get sent, there are many many many good techno musicians out there.

so making a "good tune" simply isn`t enough.

You need to make a good production as well to stand out above the mud heap.

I find it utterly pointless commenting about something as subjective as to wether a tune is good or not.
My good tune might be another persons cheese.
It really means nothing.

But you can be OBJECTIVE about production, because there are rules and trends and methods, and ways of working that you can effectively be right or wrong with. Especially on music designed for vinyl and soundsystems.

Even the Sex Pistols were well produced.

It`s not unachievable, to progress to a professional production level. It just requires work, research, and patience. Something lacking these days when most people can switch on fruity loops and make a tune in an hour, and then send it out expecting a release 2 hours later.


Sorry, I`m not really attacking you at all Brad, as you are someone who works hard on your production, and who genuinly has learned at improved.

Which is why I don`t understand your rather naieve comments.

[BloodStar]

I was trying to post really deep intelectual idea, but I just wanna say. Come on people if you think the track/production is shit, then say it.
Dont care who posted the track and say your opinion,. Those who cant accept critics just needs to step over their ego, nothing more nothing less. peace.

[The Overfiend]

I simply don`t have the time.

I am busy with commercial mastering work, as well as reviewing stuff for the radio show, and running personal critiques via msn and email.

I listen to a lot of what gets posted here, but to be honest, to critically analyse ONE track takes at least 15-20 minutes of listening, then you have to write about it.

I know you yourself don`t like critique, so this is the main drive of your commenting, but I`ve seen so many other people benefit from this part of the forum through critique, and go on to be amazing professional producers, it`s a shame for that to stop happening, as really, that was the best thing about this whole forum.

I myself benefitted from it endlessly in the early days, and did what I could over the following years to feed back the love, but all these newbies get offended too easily.

If you want props, go to your mates, they will allways tell you your tune is good, no matter how shit it is, but this place used to be great for objectivity.
I don`t see that so much now. And I see nothing wrong with pointing that out.

All this "only make positive comments" is subjective. I am commenting positively in my eyes. By pointing out negatives you can surely inspire people to make a positive change.

If it was only smiles and kisses in the world, then we would have none of the great art we have now.

My main drive for commenting was saying don't say anything about it if yourself do not plan on doing a thing about it. As far as critique is concerned I welcome critique but only when it comes from a sincere and helpful place, I've seen how cliques around here can swoop on someone like vultures looking for a kill. Myself I do plan on posting tracks here for objective feedback. Let it be known though that the same tracks your mates have ripped apart, certain huge name producers have absolutely loved and played in big festivals. so it's one of those things where you weigh it out, who do I listen to, the one who is out there making moves? Or the one who is over critical for the sake of standing on a platform.

[SlavikSvensk]

constructive criticism: comments that a) point out flaws to be corrected and b) encourage the creator to improve the work in question.

leave out a) and all you have his mindless boosterism. leave out b) and you're just pissing on someone.

seems simple, really. a little praise for what works, suggestions on how to fix what doesn't.

i never post my sh*t on here but if i did, i wouldn't want someone to just say how great it was.

[p_brane]

Come on people if you think the track/production is shit, then say it.
Dont care who posted the track and say your opinion,. Those who cant accept critics just needs to step over their ego, nothing more nothing less. peace.

i couldnt agree more.

people need to learn that critic of a tune isnt critic of themselves

it just means they have a lot more to work at production wise.

[BRADLEE]

Hmm youdon`t really understand mixing and mastering if you can say this.
It`s fairly obvious when elements are badly eq`d or too loud, and isn`t really that subjective. Blatant problems are blatant problems.

It`s a good way of justifying bad production though ie
"dude, you bass and mid is really muddy, can`t hear a thing"

"oh I meant it to be that way"

"what, badly made?"

"no man, that`s my style!

"what, your style is shit-style?"

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....[/color]

[color=#000000][color=silver]I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

This final comment really holds no water in this day and age.

Everyone has access to the equipment now, pretty much, so there are far more "musicians" out there.

And quite frankly, judging by the amount of demos I get sent, there are many many many good techno musicians out there.

so making a "good tune" simply isn`t enough.

You need to make a good production as well to stand out above the mud heap.

I find it utterly pointless commenting about something as subjective as to wether a tune is good or not.
My good tune might be another persons cheese.
It really means nothing.

But you can be OBJECTIVE about production, because there are rules and trends and methods, and ways of working that you can effectively be right or wrong with. Especially on music designed for vinyl and soundsystems.

Even the Sex Pistols were well produced.

It`s not unachievable, to progress to a professional production level. It just requires work, research, and patience. Something lacking these days when most people can switch on fruity loops and make a tune in an hour, and then send it out expecting a release 2 hours later.


Sorry, I`m not really attacking you at all Brad, as you are someone who works hard on your production, and who genuinly has learned at improved.

Which is why I don`t understand your rather naieve comments.


Steve, all i can say is if you feel that way, and you don't tell it to me before posting it on the net, you're obviously not my homie as you claim to be. Seems all you're trying to do is tear me down...but when we rap, it's a whole differant ball game.

At this point, we no longer have anything to say to one another. You claim this comment isn't a shot at me, but it obviously is. And you claim to be a brother of the craft....I don't see it. From this day forward, don't speak of me...don't breathe of me and don't think of me. I just can't believe that somebody I HAD (no more) so much respect for would bad mouth me in such a manner....somebody i thought would be happy that I'm doing well.

You basically called my music shit man....that's ****ed!!!!

[loopdon]

Brad, i am sure Steve didn't call your music/production shit. This will be cleared up, no doubt.

[dirty_bass]

Steve, all i can say is if you feel that way, and you don't tell it to me before posting it on the net, you're obviously not my homie as you claim to be. Seems all you're trying to do is tear me down...but when we rap, it's a whole differant ball game.

At this point, we no longer have anything to say to one another. You claim this comment isn't a shot at me, but it obviously is. And you claim to be a brother of the craft....I don't see it. From this day forward, don't speak of me...don't breathe of me and don't think of me. I just can't believe that somebody I HAD (no more) so much respect for would bad mouth me in such a manner....somebody i thought would be happy that I'm doing well.

You basically called my music shit man....that's ****ed!!!!

I think you need to re-read what I wrote there.
That litte quote conversation was just an imaginary scenario with a non excistant character.
You been with tony too long man, jumping off without reading clearly, I`ve not picked on your music at all.
In fact read my last sentence.

I think musically and production wise you are one of the good examples of consistant improvement. And as far as I am concerned you have gone from strength to strength.

[force]

I can't believe the way this thread has gone!

Has everybody stopped smoking weed at exactly the same time or something?

[thomas_figo]

I can't believe the way this thread has gone!

Has everybody stopped smoking weed at exactly the same time or something?
hahahaha. i like that

[judas_beast]

You lot are such a bunch of bitches sometime! Stop ****ing arguing the toss and make some tunes. >:-{

To be perfectly honest, I can think of several times when people have commented on my tracks saying ''great'' or whatever, and its not that helpful! I agree with Steve, constructive critism is VERY important. Having said this, I think it takes a while of posting on here and making yourself ''known'' before people comment. In factI I can remember posting up a track and being told ''comment on a few peoples tracks and we might comment on yours'', which I thought was pretty weak.

Anyways, before someone gets COMPLETELY the wrong end of the stick, as seems to often happen around here: Ive found Dirty Bass's tutorials and posts to be very helpful, and I think Messanger has made some ****ing top tunes.

[The Overfiend]

I think you need to re-read what I wrote there.
That litte quote conversation was just an imaginary scenario with a non excistant character.
You been with tony too long man, jumping off without reading clearly, I`ve not picked on your music at all.
In fact read my last sentence.

I think musically and production wise you are one of the good examples of consistant improvement. And as far as I am concerned you have gone from strength to strength.

Why don't you address Brad instead of dragging my name into this. Brad does not live in my house, I do not influence Brad, he is perfectly capable of coming to his own conclusions. Don't bring my name into this again, that's the second time you've done it in this thread alone, get it through your head.

You are not the definition of perfect techno.
You are not the be all end all of what sounds good.
Your tastes do not define what techno is, should be, or what the potential of techno truly is.
If you are so bored with techno and so fed up with bad production and think that it is a lost cause then bounce, or flood the market with quality, you have labels, you have a radio show, go show the world what "good" techno is.
Be a man and keep my name out of your mouth.
So mote it be.

[dirty_bass]

Why don't you address Brad instead of dragging my name into this. Brad does not live in my house, I do not influence Brad, he is perfectly capable of coming to his own conclusions. Don't bring my name into this again, that's the second time you've done it in this thread alone, get it through your head.

You are not the definition of perfect techno.
You are not the be all end all of what sounds good.
Your tastes do not define what techno is, should be, or what the potential of techno truly is.
If you are so bored with techno and so fed up with bad production and think that it is a lost cause then bounce, or flood the market with quality, you have labels, you have a radio show, go show the world what "good" techno is.
Be a man and keep my name out of your mouth.
So mote it be.

When did I claim to be the definition of anything, I`m reading back through this post and I can`t seem to find it.


I know production. But I don`t claim to be the king of techno, and again, where do I claim to be bored of techno? or that things are a lost cause?
I wouldn`t be slaving in my studio writing a new production tutorial if I thought all hope was lost.
I don`t really claim anything about techno, other than that I know how to produce to a certain technical standard. Which is why I am paid to master music of all genres.
Nor do I really claim to judge "good" or "bad" techno. I know good and bad production however. Which you seem to have trouble separating.
Why would I want to flood the market with anything?
Now chill out, I know you got a problem with me, there`s no need for this to go any further is there? If you really wanna, then ask mark to open the Vex


Brad, I ain`t insulted you at all, read the words again. I may be a cantankerous old sod, but I never insult people in the way you seem to think I have with you (rather bizarrely)



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Back on point.


Anyway, in conclusion, good, most people seem to be into constructive crit. Which is great. You`ll all help each other loads if you are brutally honest with your crit, and keep the subjective and personal side of it out of the way.
There is a massive difference between artistic/aesthetic critisism and practical/technical crit. As long as you don`t let your ego get in the way you can benefit loads. This place used to be like that and it really was fantastic.

I`ll try to offer a little production help when I can, but really I`m a little too busy these days to go through loads of tunes each week like I used too.

If you are having difficulty with a tune I will always reply to pm`s and try and help out if I can with your production woe`s.

[The Overfiend]

I said keep my name out of your mouth for siting me with scapegoats for future reference in your posts. Everything else I said, take it for what it is.

[dan the acid man]

I think a few people are reading things into posts that aren't there.

Back on topic..........., i've always been honest in feedback, im not the most technically gifted person in production but im always honest in what i'm hearing.
There's no point in posting tunes in here if you can't take contsructuve criticism, it's how people learn and develope their skills.

Now im as guilty as alot of people in that i've not posted much in here lately, as it takes so much time to listen to tracks, it's the area i save until last then i run out of time:ohdear:

starting from later today, i'll make sure i come in here first and listen to as many tracks as possible.

[BRADLEE]

Steve, if I've misread you I'm sorry. It was really the whole hypathetical story that threw me for a loop. I can see that more so upon re-examination of your text. I fecking hate trying to communicate over the internet...shit is never 100% clear. I think I'm just going to a take a break from the whole forum thing for a moment. I'll still be about lurking.......

But if anyone wants to get in contact with me....

messbeat@yahoo.com = MSN

bradleemuzik@gmail.com = Google chat

www.myspace.com/bradleebeats (http://www.myspace.com/bradleebeats) = more than obvious.

Please forgive me for turning this thing into something it wasn't supposed to be.

[dirty_bass]

Steve, if I've misread you I'm sorry. It was really the whole hypathetical story that threw me for a loop. I can see that more so upon re-examination of your text. I fecking hate trying to communicate over the internet...shit is never 100% clear. I think I'm just going to a take a break from the whole forum thing for a moment. I'll still be about lurking.......

But if anyone wants to get in contact with me....

messbeat@yahoo.com = MSN

bradleemuzik@gmail.com = Google chat

www.myspace.com/bradleebeats (http://www.myspace.com/bradleebeats) = more than obvious.

Please forgive me for turning this thing into something it wasn't supposed to be.

Your good man, I don`t think you`ve lost face here so it`s all cool, I apologise for not being a little more clear in my wording (I never use the damn preview button). We all over react from time to time, and there`s no need to dissapear dude, I think most here know you got a big heart and strong passion.

And for you in regards to the craft I say

"A brother may not always see his brother eye to eye in all points, but all things can still be on the level, and carried out fair and square"

The craft does not make us perfect, but merely points us the path to improvement and enlightenment.

[RDR]

Right then..

"Even the Sex Pistols were well produced." Of course they were... malcom mclaren managed them innit.

Now, im NOT a moderator of this section but i firmly beleive that the following rules should be in place here.

This should be an objective place to review music. not one for personal attacks, go PM for that if you please.


Im going to ensure that we have some ground rules laid out here. i say this as a rep for BOA and not as a person who knows people who have posted here.

it sounds horrid even to my ears, but if thats what it takes, then that is what will happen.

[dirty_bass]

I don`t think it`s needed mate really. Things were fine in here, I merely made a post to suggest that there should be more constructive crit. Then all hell broke loose, more down to personal issues, rather than the post itself, I`m sure it won`t flare up again.

[xfive]

Crikey.. I leave for a couple days and all hell breaks loose.

Seems things are somewhat amicable now so let's just get on with the music :)

[BRADLEE]

Crikey.. I leave for a couple days and all hell breaks loose.

Seems things are somewhat amicable now so let's just get on with the music :)


Goozfabra....

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/7565_poster.jpg

[The Overfiend]

Your good man, I don`t think you`ve lost face here so it`s all cool, I apologise for not being a little more clear in my wording (I never use the damn preview button). We all over react from time to time, and there`s no need to dissapear dude, I think most here know you got a big heart and strong passion.

And for you in regards to the craft I say

"A brother may not always see his brother eye to eye in all points, but all things can still be on the level, and carried out fair and square"

The craft does not make us perfect, but merely points us the path to improvement and enlightenment.

So Mote It Be.

Regardless of this discussion Steve
MY CABLE TOW WILL ALWAYS BE IN YOUR REACH

[The Overfiend]

What ever happened to dance music
Making music for the purpose of people dancing?

[The Overfiend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENgItQRW8Ss

[Siege]

[QUOTE=xfive;545371]Crikey.. I leave for a couple days and all hell breaks loose.

Haha...im in ibiza at the moment,have been for the last 10 days,so not been on here latley.....came on to check my mail n shit,and its going off!
I agree with steve,id much rather have someone tell me flaws and improvements needed with my productions than just (yeah,cool trk or whatever just 4 the sake of it)
i see another war of words has emerged again between scott and sam...u guys dont really get on do u??

right,im off to get another drink and check out the talent round the pool!!

[MARK ANXIOUS]

*sigh*.. this sort of crazy outburst has just gotta stop you guys. holy shit i mean come on we're all here to learn and help ppl if we can and if someone new comes on here and reads all this bollocks we'll get nowhere. any chance can you keep your personal problems off here? pleeeaaaasseeeee??

ok, well let's get back to the issue. i for one agree with steve's first post. i really must come on here more often, but like steve says it's time. hmm yeah, the system on here could be improved i think.

i actually have seen on alot of forums where ppl can 'give thanks' for something someone has posted. i could rework that modification where perhaps you can click it 'if you like the track'. so your name gets logged as someone whole likes the track. if not, you should give critique in the form of a post. this might help the situation, rather than have loads of 'great track' posts.

i think it's nice to be encouraged but i also think it's more important to be critisied, i totally live my life by that rule. actually i could take that 'thanks' idea one step further - perhaps a way of rating or voting attached to each post. that way you'd know if it was a good track cause your rating would be high. we could stipulate that the voting must be based on production techniqie rather than it just being a 'good' track, cause that's more personal taste.

might be nice if i could make a system where you know how many ppl have downloaded your track and listened to it. then you can gauge how popular your music is becoming...

just a few ideas... very interesting i think if we could take this forward..

let me know what you think.... :cool:

[xfive]

Mark - not bad ideas really, but I don't know if we want to encourage any popularity contests in here.
I view this area as production help for people who are stuck with where to take something or know that the production quality can be improved but aren't sure how to do it.

People should post their tracks to other rating based sites if they want that sort of "review/commentary" style of feedback. Or perhaps a separate BOA area? User uploadable tracks that the whole board can rate?

[audioinjection]

i havent had the time lately to review tracks like i used to......most of the time i try to listen at work, but i cant give any good feedback due to crappy speakers here, but i'd always like to put in my 2 cents

[Mindful]

To be honest Ive not been posting replys or listening to much music on here for a long time and its a rare ocasion that I post my own work anymore [compared to how I used to post every track I was working on, even if it was only 2 mins long]

The main reason for this is because the comments that were more helpful [mainly the comments that point out the flaws in my sound and mix]seemd to dry up and be replaced by "great track" ect
Now its nice to know that sombody has taken time to listen to my music and im so greatful for any time spent too then reply.

So dont be shy in saying "great track" ect if thats what you feel and have nothing more to say but also dont be affraid to say "shit track"
If you feel that, say why its shit or why its good if you can.
Most importantly be truthful [even if its negative] and try to help if you can.
I mean you may not feel to confident on pointing out what you may see as flaw in sombodys work, especially when you think they are better than you at production ect but belive me a fresh and objective pair of anybodys ears is worth so much when you have been listening and working on the same track for about three days.Im sure that we all know and appreciate this.

My sound was realy shitty when I first started posting here[still kind of is]but the comments and advice people gave me helped me to improove so much [also made me want to improove so much more].
I took what I wanted from all suggestions and used them how I saw fit.
But since the more critical help seems to have dried up my development has slowd down a great deal.


AAAAAAAAnnnnnyways...

Im going on a bit here now so...

Personaly from now Im going to try and find time to do this.
I will dl some trks now, listen at home and try to say somthing helpful.
Maybe I will start posting up some tracks again soon [for help and advice not props]

Waffle ends, I need a cig ; P

[rhythmtech]

i felt for a while there was maybe 6/7 of us commenting but a ton of people posting tracks so there was no point. we basically moved it to msn.. maybe i'll give it a go in here again soon.

[stjohn]

i felt for a while there was maybe 6/7 of us commenting but a ton of people posting tracks so there was no point. we basically moved it to msn.. maybe i'll give it a go in here again soon.

same....

but serio lads... we all know whos who and no one is dissing tracks here !!! the bar has being continuously on the up here... thanks to constructive criticism!! so if u think you have a constructive comment, post it!