Keeping track names secret?

[Louk]

I know certain DJs refuse to reveal tracklistings and tune names when asked but what do you all feel about this?

I can name a good 5 djs who do this and it really really badly irritates me and makes the dj seem 100% more arrogant in my opinion.

That's why although I get quite a few tunes upfront I'm more than happy to post the names of them for others to check out and post my reviews/tracklistings as I believe it alerts those to forthcoming music.

I understand the DJ may be "keeping ahead of his/her" game by not revealing tune names but I reckon that if a DJ is worried about his/her own career to the extent that they need to keep tunes secret it makes me question why they are DJing in the first place.

I'll tell you what caused this, I heard a DJ play a track which I've been searching for a while now and the DJ resorted to say "oh I refuse to give out tracklistings sorry...as i want to keep ahead of my game with regards to my DJing" when this mix is a good 6 months old.

M-Zone said about an approach of sticking stickers all ove rhis records too - although he's a good DJ and generally sound when i've spoken to him i think that's a well arrogant approach to take.

Just my two pennies worth.

Louk

[DJ Corbzy]

Not arrogant for shit.... ;)

[Louk]

why is it not corbz...?

Louk

[DJ Corbzy]

I think it is good to keep a track secret, it adds a bit of fun to it all, having to find that tune...If your devoted then you'll find the tune by yourself rather than have it handed on a plate to you...

Arrogant was defo the wrong word to use.....

[Tim Hidgem]

Its not something I do at all.

I mean I know how good it is when you find a track that know one else has got.

But I think its more down to the insecurity of the DJ when they don't tell you the names of trax. I mean they obviously feel threatened by the thought of other people nicking there tunes.

I think if our confident in your overall ability to find tunes and DJ well then you shouldn't feel threatened!

I take it as a compliment and I quiet like giving names of tunes out cause I know by the time they bought them I'll have found a load more anyway.

I never heard of a DJ's career being destroyed or slowed down by giving his tune names away but then again as I said before I believe its all down to how confident you are in your own DJ ability.

Just my thoughts.

Tim

[Jay M]

not something i do either tbh. If somebody asks me what the track is im playing ill tell em

[Hakka.]

I'd never do this... just think that its pointless. At the end of a day if you manage to get hold of a track early for any reason nobody else will until its released... and they are no doubt going to hear it and buy it then anyway.

[romelpotter]

[quote="DJ Corbzy"]I think it is good to keep a track secret, it adds a bit of fun to it all, having to find that tune...If your devoted then you'll find the tune by yourself rather than have it handed on a plate to you...

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i had to search for a tune that no one new anything about, it took me ages and when i got all the details i then had to find a copy which took me ages as well. that saying when i did find it, the shop had 2 copies :wtf: and when i got my hands on them it was very sweet :lol: but i wouldn't keep my track list secret because it took me about 6 months to get hold of. (by the way the track was,, the shadow, "the other side".)

[Louk]

I think it is good to keep a track secret, it adds a bit of fun to it all, having to find that tune...If your devoted then you'll find the tune by yourself rather than have it handed on a plate to you...

Arrogant was defo the wrong word to use.....

mr corbin I do not like the way you have a go at my literary skills I do see it as arrogant :dontevengothere:

i see it as arrogant because arrogance is "Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance" so the DJs themselves think they are too important and also selfish to give out the name of a tune.

if a big name a list DJ asked these same DJs for a tune or someone higher up in the "industry" than themselves then the DJs who do not give out tune names would certainly tell the well known djs the name of the tune. I have no doubts that would be the case.

you may argue that this is too strong a word which i am sure you will indeed so maybe egotistical, insecure and defensive are 3 slightly more apt ones

but i still think it is wrong and the more djs who do this the more irritating it is for clubbers.

Certain cases have happened where no one knows the name of a tune im after and im still searching for ages on when this is time i coudl have been spent doing other things.

Louk

[Louk]

Its not something I do at all.

I mean I know how good it is when you find a track that know one else has got.

But I think its more down to the insecurity of the DJ when they don't tell you the names of trax. I mean they obviously feel threatened by the thought of other people nicking there tunes.

I think if our confident in your overall ability to find tunes and DJ well then you shouldn't feel threatened!

I take it as a compliment and I quiet like giving names of tunes out cause I know by the time they bought them I'll have found a load more anyway.

I never heard of a DJ's career being destroyed or slowed down by giving his tune names away but then again as I said before I believe its all down to how confident you are in your own DJ ability.

Just my thoughts.

Tim

Truest thing i've ever heard!! fair f**king play!! :crackup:

Louk

[darkstar]

Mark does this to me :cry: :cry: :cry:

Only jokin :lol:

[epidemic001]

I did this the other week to someone, but only because I was under the impression that they were involved with Tidy Trax an we all know where that road leads to.

:nono:

[DJ Corbzy]

Well at the end of the day Louk, your not a DJ and you don't understand what it is like to find a sly tune and not want anyone to find out what it is so that you can get a good play of it before every other DJ is out there caining it, cos after all, in the words of Mark EG "you have to be different and unique, something, something, something...." :lol:

You'll never understand the buzz of finding a sly as fock tune and no-one knowing what the name is and you can cain it....trust... :love:

[MARKEG]

right guys.. i agree. it's a buzz having tunes no one else has but if ANYONE comes up to me and asks me for the name of a track, i'll give it to them. full stop. i can't see the point of wanting to keep it all to yourself.

[DJ Corbzy]

i can! :shock: :lol:

[Hakka.]

if you play it out and refuse to name the tune you are disrespecting the person who made it, and not doubt whoever gave you it early. I'm sure they would no doubt be angry if the tune that a person has made, if it goes down brilliant with the crowd, is not having its true identity shown.

The producer didn't just make the tune and provide to you early so you can make yourself "different somehow". If your going to try and make yourself look a better DJ than someone cause you've got your hands on a tune early then you should at least have the decency to respect that you've had your fun playing it out before others and that now its time for producer to get some credit and be named.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with the DJ hiding tunes thing. We have a right to know what it is called IF you are going to play it under your name AND you didn't produce it AND MORE SO if you have got the tune early, in good faith.

[Hakka.]

Remember, that's just my opinon... I doens't mean I have any disrespect or dislike for anyone who disagree's with me on this. I just do think what I said in my last post on this, and if I am ever asked what a tune is called, I shall tell them.

Just my way of things I guess.

[Louk]

Well at the end of the day Louk, your not a DJ and you don't understand what it is like to find a sly tune and not want anyone to find out what it is so that you can get a good play of it before every other DJ is out there caining it, cos after all, in the words of Mark EG "you have to be different and unique, something, something, something...." :lol:

You'll never understand the buzz of finding a sly as fock tune and no-one knowing what the name is and you can cain it....trust... :love:

corbin you dense ****er i play on the radio :)

Louk

[Louk]

if you play it out and refuse to name the tune you are disrespecting the person who made it, and not doubt whoever gave you it early. I'm sure they would no doubt be angry if the tune that a person has made, if it goes down brilliant with the crowd, is not having its true identity shown.

The producer didn't just make the tune and provide to you early so you can make yourself "different somehow". If your going to try and make yourself look a better DJ than someone cause you've got your hands on a tune early then you should at least have the decency to respect that you've had your fun playing it out before others and that now its time for producer to get some credit and be named.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with the DJ hiding tunes thing. We have a right to know what it is called IF you are going to play it under your name AND you didn't produce it AND MORE SO if you have got the tune early, in good faith.

FAIR PLAY I Agree with that 100000000000000% and then some more

truest words yet - corbz if you dont give out tune names it is disrespecting the producer

if i made a tune which i have done and given it to a dj who said they'd play it i would love for the dj to give out the name of it and tell others.

you dont see it from my point of view at all

Louk

[DJ Corbzy]

if you play it out and refuse to name the tune you are disrespecting the person who made it, and not doubt whoever gave you it early. I'm sure they would no doubt be angry if the tune that a person has made, if it goes down brilliant with the crowd, is not having its true identity shown.

The producer didn't just make the tune and provide to you early so you can make yourself "different somehow". If your going to try and make yourself look a better DJ than someone cause you've got your hands on a tune early then you should at least have the decency to respect that you've had your fun playing it out before others and that now its time for producer to get some credit and be named.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with the DJ hiding tunes thing. We have a right to know what it is called IF you are going to play it under your name AND you didn't produce it AND MORE SO if you have got the tune early, in good faith.

FAIR PLAY I Agree with that 100000000000000% and then some more

truest words yet - corbz if you dont give out tune names it is disrespecting the producer

if i made a tune which i have done and given it to a dj who said they'd play it i would love for the dj to give out the name of it and tell others.

you dont see it from my point of view at all

Louk

yep, your right I dont, because I see it from a point of view from a dj who is one of many trying to break out there, if every other person is playing the same tunes as me im just a nobody...

Get a sly tune....tell everyone about it? I think not...

After all the chances are WWW.GERMANTRANCE.COM will make it available for everyone to see and buy....

SLY TUNES :clap: , **** all this disrespecting producers wank.... :dontevengothere: :nono:

[majortom]

i think its worse than any where down here in the good old south, too many people playing the same style tunes and caining the same producers :doh:

[DJ Corbzy]

yeah innit tommo, and if you find a nice tune, it's nice not to tell anyone who it's by....get your mix on it before everyone else does... :clap:

[Jay M]

so corbz .
if you made a track and someone was playing it and someone asked what it was would you want em to tell em or not?

[Louk]

corbz - i seriously question your attitude

"yep, your right I dont, because I see it from a point of view from a dj who is one of many trying to break out there, if every other person is playing the same tunes as me im just a nobody... "

is the biggest load of bullshit ever there are many interesting things you can do to a set despite having hte same tunes as everybody else you can try loads of fx, scratching and also what if other djs can't beatmatch as well as you

seriously man !!!

Louk

[Louk]

also if i gave you any of my tunes and you didnt tell anyone else who they were by i'd certainly not give you anymore. :)

Louk

[MARKEG]

let's not get too heated but i think i can see where corz is coming from - i LOVE having a record that no one else has (ie sly tracks) but if someone else gets it, well someone else gets it. there's no point in crying about it - you move on. surely? and thats why i can't see the point in not showing someone who the record is made by.

i like the idea of disrespecting producers work, it's feasable, but tbh a dj is a dj and producer is a producer so i'm not going with this argument if that makes any sense. hmmm... my opinion :hmm:

[Louk]

but mark surely you'd be a bit pissed off if you gave a copy of your tune out to a few djs who decided they'd rather "be ahead of the game" than let people know about your tunes and promote them??

Louk

[EmotionComplex]

the way i see it dj's need producers to function, and in the hard trance/hardstyle/techno etc area the producers are actually making the tracks for a club and structuring them to be mre dj friendly, i can also understand the feeling of wanting to keep something special to yourself for as long as possible cos lets face it the chances are these days that you are playing 70-80% of what someone else is playing so finding the sneeky releases can be hard work, but at the same time if i had wrote something and released it and people thought it was good enough to play in a club id be anxious for it to get around if u get me, tbh its a subject i havent got a straight opinion on yet as i can see some of both sides :shock:

[MARKEG]

but mark surely you'd be a bit pissed off if you gave a copy of your tune out to a few djs who decided they'd rather "be ahead of the game" than let people know about your tunes and promote them??

Louk

well not pissed off, cause i know that one dj isn't going to make or break a track, but if i'm honest i'd be like - why are you doing that?!?! mind you, if you were giving that dj a load of your stuff to play and he never told anyone, people would find out in the end wouldn't they?! as they say in the magazine industry - any press is good press!

[Tim Hidgem]

I see giving out track names as a valid point of customer service to your crowd.

Its too much of an oppurtunity not to miss to talk to people initerested in wot your doing and playing. Many things can come from small conversations and I find that being helpful to my crowd soon gets returned even if its just the fact of them saying I'm a sound guy.

Wot goes around comes around and I practice going out of my way to be helpful to people in any way I can.

You can only benefit from Djing with this attitude.

[Tim Hidgem]

After the last Religion a guy e-mailed me to ask about a certain tune I'd played cause he couldn't find it anywhere.

I told him that if he was down at the next Religion I'd give him my copy.

This I did and the guy hasn't stopped thanking me yet.

Since then this guy has done more promoting for me by word of mouth then I could have ever expected all for the sake of a £7 easy replacable piece of plastic.

One step back two steps forward. ;)

[Addict]

corbz - i seriously question your attitude

"yep, your right I dont, because I see it from a point of view from a dj who is one of many trying to break out there, if every other person is playing the same tunes as me im just a nobody... "

is the biggest load of bullshit ever there are many interesting things you can do to a set despite having hte same tunes as everybody else you can try loads of fx, scratching and also what if other djs can't beatmatch as well as you

seriously man !!!

Louk

Sorry but didn't you say somewhere else that you judge a DJ on tune selection and not FX, beat matching and scratching? :eh:

[DJ Corbzy]

corbz - i seriously question your attitude

"yep, your right I dont, because I see it from a point of view from a dj who is one of many trying to break out there, if every other person is playing the same tunes as me im just a nobody... "

is the biggest load of bullshit ever there are many interesting things you can do to a set despite having hte same tunes as everybody else you can try loads of fx, scratching and also what if other djs can't beatmatch as well as you

seriously man !!!

Louk

WTF! You talk shit mate, utter shit....So you'd be happy in a world/rave where every dj played all the same tunes?

P.S. What if there were no fx on the mixer? And scratching? :shock: WTF! Scratching is not for Trance mate....

I question your attitude....

[DJ Corbzy]

so corbz .
if you made a track and someone was playing it and someone asked what it was would you want em to tell em or not?

I actually wouldn't mind mate, cos if they didnt say anything to them about the track, they are gonna have more hunger to find the tune, and then they deserve to have it and play it and keep it sneaky of there own...1 person is not going to damage the sales of a tune...

[Carl]

if i went up to a dj and asked for the name of the track that was playing and they said 'no, im not telling' you, i would give them one f uckin' dirty look and probably have something to say about it to. i think doing that is pathetic, and very quickly disgusting. after all im there making the party what it is, surely i deserve the respect of knowing what tune it is im dancing to? :doh:

[K Front]

if i went up to a dj and asked for the name of the track that was playing and they said 'no, im not telling' you, i would give them one f uckin' dirty look and probably have something to say about it to. i think doing that is pathetic, and very quickly disgusting. after all im there making the party what it is, surely i deserve the respect of knowing what tune it is im dancing to? :doh:

Spot on. ;)

[Louk]

Sorry but didn't you say somewhere else that you judge a DJ on tune selection and not FX, beat matching and scratching? :eh:

I do judge a DJ on Tune Selection far more than mixing beat matching and scratching and did word that point across very shit but the end of the day two people with exactly the same records can still play quite different sets. I'd rather hear a DJ play loads of utnes i like and mix them all poorly rather than play the set of the most upfront tunes perfectly mixed was my original post!

Louk

[Louk]

WTF! You talk shit mate, utter shit....



Thank you for that comment - nice to see that you are not being opinionated and defensive in the slightest there!!! Your viewpoint is not always the right one my friend.



So you'd be happy in a world/rave where every dj played all the same tunes?


It's sometimes nice to hear the same tunes more than once in a night! When i said everybody else has the same tunes as you that was something I didnt mean literally just that if a DJ has 2-3 tunes the same as you and plays them so what it still would mean for a good set !!!!!!




P.S. What if there were no fx on the mixer? And scratching? :shock: WTF! Scratching is not for Trance mate....


Tell that to DJs like the 4 Play Boys / Kev Rose / Eddie Halliwell and other DJs who scratch over trance tunes - and stop being so narrow minded!! I like scratching on trance eddie halliwell plays loads of stuff like Pure Thrust, Dreamland, Igor S and scratches the **** out of them sounds amazing!!!!!!



I question your attitude....

Why? Because I choose to tell people the name of sneakys and for liking scratching and liking it when DJs on the night play tunes more than once? If so then fair enough but...well thats up to you

Mat just said "if everyone kept what they were playing a secret then the whole scene would fall on it's arse..."

That's the way I reckon you can sum up this arguement.

Cheers Mate Look forward to your reply not that you will say Im talking utter shite again or anything!!!!

Louk

[log:one]

MIAOW!

[log:one]

although i actually disagree with louk on this topic, hats off to him for discussing it in an adult fashion.

[Hakka.]

Everyone likes to play tunes before anyone else does, its a great feeling but its not as good a feeling as playing a damn well good set overall.

Point is, that surely if I played a brand spanking new-pre-released track at a night and it went down brilliantly, and someone asked what its called - the person who asked for its name would have to wait until its released before being able to gain a copy? Surely? So your still going to have the exact amount of time to play it out as when you kept it secret?

So basically your not really going to loose anything by telling the name? Are you?

I still think that if you play someone elses work that you have NO RIGHT what so ever to not tell people what its called. The music is NOT your property to do that with.

I agree with Mark that one DJ doesn't make or break track, however if everyone was doing this (and you agree yourself you don't do it) then surely it would have an effect on its initial demand and exposure?

Again, I don't want any hard feelings with anyone over this... but I just don't think people have the right to do that unless its there own tunes.

Thing is I can accept that people will do this and it will not effect me in the slightest. It does make me cringe though at the thought that there are DJ's out there somewhere (obviously not suggesting anyone here is) who are blagging promo's and then abusing them for personal gain. A producers pre-release nightmare.

[Hakka.]

Also Corbz, to be fair you do ask people like Abyss to name the tracks on his CD on the forum... so isn't that slightly hypocritical in this instance?

Mean that with the upmost respect mate, not having a go just making a point.

Would you still like it if Abyss said "no way" when you asked him for a name of a tune?

[Hakka.]

http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5817&highlight=abyss

go there Corbz if you can't remember the post.

[epidemic001]

What if the DJ was to give out the name of the producer & track name but not the record label. The person asking would still have to search abit for the tune & the producer would still get the credit. Everybody would be happy?

this isnt goin to add anything to the debate like. :rambo:

[Hakka.]

the name and who its by is all people are asking for!

[EmotionComplex]

What if the DJ was to give out the name of the producer & track name but not the record label. The person asking would still have to search abit for the tune & the producer would still get the credit. Everybody would be happy?

this isnt goin to add anything to the debate like. :rambo:

its a good point though mate, if some people want to keep the track quiet so people have to search for it giving them the track name and artist is the least they can do, that way they still have to put a little effort into finding it but saying that i can't imagine not telling someone myself if they asked me without feeling a little silly saying "no, sorry cant tell you" unless it was my own music of course but i would like people to know what it is

perhaps a bit of friendly silence between dj's now and then isnt out of place and will make them work harder to keep there sets fresh but i think if you pay to goto events to listen to music you are at the same time paying the dj there wages so perhaps deserve to know what music it is your listening too?

i still dont have a full opinion on which side im on though haha, i can see points on both really but i just mix at home and dont play out so i perhaps dont know the full story so to speak.

just my thoughts at this moment anyway :cool:

[EmotionComplex]

infact yeah, are we talking about dj's giving out the information to club goers or other dj's?

perhaps it doesnt matter too much if its either or both but i can sort of understand it a little more if its between dj's

[Louk]

http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5817&highlight=abyss

go there Corbz if you can't remember the post.

haha i remember this nice one hakka :)

corbz anything to say on the subject mate?

Louk

[Louk]

What if the DJ was to give out the name of the producer & track name but not the record label. The person asking would still have to search abit for the tune & the producer would still get the credit. Everybody would be happy?

this isnt goin to add anything to the debate like. :rambo:

that would be wicked and helpful - even just the tune title would do me fine as i could search for it!

[Addict]

why hasn't Corbzy been booted out of the forum yet? :lol:

[Carl]

after reading your thoughts on this subject, and then looking at the old thread hakka put a link up to, im not impressed corbz :dontevengothere:

[Hakka.]

Corbz is sound guy I just happen to disagree with him on this occasion.

Where has he gone through? I thought he'd at least reply to my point! ;)

[Louk]

agree corbz youve shown a bit of hypocracy yet again (i remember you asking for a tg's tune then a few months later saying how when you first heard it you thought it was the worst hting on earth and voorheez pointed you wrong) :)

nothing against you though you're a good guy so only having a laugh

Louk

[Louk]

haha corbz you never replied to this

Louk

[DJ Corbzy]

:shifty:

[EmotionComplex]

ahhh that was a good thread :twisted: