View Full Version : Mzone a big help to the Hard trance and Hardstyle scene?
Richierush
13-12-2003, 08:24 PM
M zone got me listening to Hard trance and Hardstyle i have all the respct in the world for that man,i listen to the tunes he plays not the mixing and hes played the best hard trance and hardstyle around RESPECT to the mzone!!!!!!!!!
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 11:23 AM
M zone got me listening to Hard trance and Hardstyle i have all the respct in the world for that man,i listen to the tunes he plays not the mixing and hes played the best hard trance and hardstyle around RESPECT to the mzone!!!!!!!!!
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DJ Pearcey
14-12-2003, 11:38 AM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
Richierush
14-12-2003, 12:01 PM
True pearcy m8 ;)
DJ Corbzy
14-12-2003, 02:05 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 02:10 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
DJ Corbzy
14-12-2003, 02:16 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 02:27 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
DJ Corbzy
14-12-2003, 02:32 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
I think you have misunderstood Paul...
I said "He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though", which means basically that he has respect from the scene for being one of the people who took it forward in his day...BUT, I said that nowadays he is a disapointment because of his lack of style and skill, and yes I agree he can play a good set every so often but IMO he's gone downhill....
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?[/quote]
:clap: well said amigo!!!!!!
MZONE IS A LEGEND
:evil: shit that post wasnt right !!!!!!!! :rambo:
PAUL SAID:
Mixing isn't everything
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
:clap: :clap:
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 02:50 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
I think you have misunderstood Paul...
I said "He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though", which means basically that he has respect from the scene for being one of the people who took it forward in his day...BUT, I said that nowadays he is a disapointment because of his lack of style and skill, and yes I agree he can play a good set every so often but IMO he's gone downhill....
Lack of style... mate uve gotta be kidding me. He created the style that we all copy. Musically! Hes a disapointment! Maybe to trainspotters who cant ave fun without hearing clean mixes! Man... i cant believe u are sayin that mate! Agreed his mixing isnt the best, but u gotta look past that!
EmotionComplex
14-12-2003, 02:52 PM
if you think of how long hes been at it and all the club systems and high powered headphones that have pounded his ears over the years its a pretty good feat that he can still pull together a good set, no doubt that he pioneered the scene and respect to him for sticking with it all this time
DJ Corbzy
14-12-2003, 02:55 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
I think you have misunderstood Paul...
I said "He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though", which means basically that he has respect from the scene for being one of the people who took it forward in his day...BUT, I said that nowadays he is a disapointment because of his lack of style and skill, and yes I agree he can play a good set every so often but IMO he's gone downhill....
Lack of style... mate uve gotta be kidding me. He created the style that we all copy. Musically! Hes a disapointment! Maybe to trainspotters who cant ave fun without hearing clean mixes! Man... i cant believe u are sayin that mate! Agreed his mixing isnt the best, but u gotta look past that!
M-zone has a serious lack of style Paul, A serious one...mixing over breaks, poor beat matching, not knowing his records....look past it??!! How the **** can you look past a DJ who used to be massive in the scene and now he is just mixing as though he dosent care....and I'm not a ****ing trainspotter!
Just cos I'm a youngun dosent mean I don't know anything....
**** this
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 03:09 PM
M-zone has got respect from everyone in the hard dance scene,its not even a talking point,it just goes without saying.
He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though...
Mixing isnt everything! ;)
Yeah but if you can't mix anymore, that defeats the object of being a DJ surely?
No not really, and ive heard m-zone mix well!
There is so much to djing rather than just mixing.
If u are the best dj technically, and u play shit tunes for urself! Does that not defeat the object of being a dj?
I think you have misunderstood Paul...
I said "He's got respect, dosent mean he can mix very well anymore though", which means basically that he has respect from the scene for being one of the people who took it forward in his day...BUT, I said that nowadays he is a disapointment because of his lack of style and skill, and yes I agree he can play a good set every so often but IMO he's gone downhill....
Lack of style... mate uve gotta be kidding me. He created the style that we all copy. Musically! Hes a disapointment! Maybe to trainspotters who cant ave fun without hearing clean mixes! Man... i cant believe u are sayin that mate! Agreed his mixing isnt the best, but u gotta look past that!
M-zone has a serious lack of style Paul, A serious one...mixing over breaks, poor beat matching, not knowing his records....look past it??!! How the **** can you look past a DJ who used to be massive in the scene and now he is just mixing as though he dosent care....and I'm not a **** trainspotter!
Just cos I'm a youngun dosent mean I don't know anything....
**** this
M-ZONE has so little style that somehow he managed to create arguably and pioneer wat we call hard trance!
He doesnt know his Records!!! Well if u say so.
Mixes as if he doesnt care! If u say so.
basslinejunkie
14-12-2003, 03:59 PM
im not havin a go or anythin,but u say he has no style?!? who do u think created the style of music u play?!? he was the first 2 play quality trance back in the 90's then he was the first 2 play 'hardstyle' or whatever u want 2 call it a few years back.mzone is a pioneer in dancemusic in general coz he brought so many diffrent styles 2 this country an blew every1 away with what he was playin. yes,his mixin is quite bad although ive seen him when his mixin has been good but your not gonna do flawless mixin everytime u play a set r u? if u want 2 hear flawless mixin but poor tunes,go 2 1 of the major clubs.if u want 2 hear the best tunes,the most important thing,mzone is the man.
DJ Corbzy
14-12-2003, 05:22 PM
im not havin a go or anythin,but u say he has no style?!? who do u think created the style of music u play?!? he was the first 2 play quality trance back in the 90's then he was the first 2 play 'hardstyle' or whatever u want 2 call it a few years back.mzone is a pioneer in dancemusic in general coz he brought so many diffrent styles 2 this country an blew every1 away with what he was playin. yes,his mixin is quite bad although ive seen him when his mixin has been good but your not gonna do flawless mixin everytime u play a set r u? if u want 2 hear flawless mixin but poor tunes,go 2 1 of the major clubs.if u want 2 hear the best tunes,the most important thing,mzone is the man.
Yeah well you can keep your bloody M-zone....for me he does nothing, there are so many dj's that deserve more respect than he does...
Paul Nisbet
14-12-2003, 06:03 PM
im not havin a go or anythin,but u say he has no style?!? who do u think created the style of music u play?!? he was the first 2 play quality trance back in the 90's then he was the first 2 play 'hardstyle' or whatever u want 2 call it a few years back.mzone is a pioneer in dancemusic in general coz he brought so many diffrent styles 2 this country an blew every1 away with what he was playin. yes,his mixin is quite bad although ive seen him when his mixin has been good but your not gonna do flawless mixin everytime u play a set r u? if u want 2 hear flawless mixin but poor tunes,go 2 1 of the major clubs.if u want 2 hear the best tunes,the most important thing,mzone is the man.
Yeah well you can keep your bloody M-zone....for me he does nothing, there are so many dj's that deserve more respect than he does...
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macca
14-12-2003, 06:29 PM
for me m-zone was a big influence to the hard trance scene an i respect him for that but im sorry m-zone was a quality dj ages ago and that was basically becos hed play excellent tunes that nobody ever heard of and where a bastard 2 get hold his sets where blindin. id listen to 1 of his sets and think wow every tune he played was amazing **** his mixin. that was until i heard the shit hes playin now im sorry but 4 me it dosent do anythin 4 me its just bang bang no emotion
Voorheez
14-12-2003, 09:02 PM
M Zone does have a lot of technical skill! It's just very unorthodox.
Try mixing how M Zone mixes a set. I've tried it before, and it is extremely hard to get the basslines to come in at the right place and make everything sound passable when you mix so quick. So he makes mistakes - they could go a lot worse believe me, and you'd see if you try mixing like him.
Personally I love Mick's mixing in a club when i'm on the dancefloor because it is full on - bassline into the next bassline into the next, etc. This is what is amazing about M Zone - there is so much energy in his sets that it is a challenge to dance to. Personally I feel that what he plays now (or at least a few months ago) is the best style of music suited to him too, because it's just as full on as his sets.
Now as for at home on a CD/Tape whatever, I find myself just nit picking all his mixing, thinking 'that didn't sound right' or 'that was wrongly placed'. I don't do that on the dancefloor, and that's why I don't listen to his CDs or tapes.
As for everyone who is saying M Zone is all about the tunes - I don't agree. How can he be when he generally plays about 2-3 minutes maximum of each tune? It's his mixing.
macca
15-12-2003, 12:03 AM
every body knows m-zone isnt the best at mixin an 4 me an most m-zone fans it is the tunes he plays even if it is 4 2-3mins this was he finest quality as a dj and imo he dosent play any tunes of that quality any more
macca
15-12-2003, 12:25 AM
an 1 more thing even tho u say "I don't agree. How can he be when he generally plays about 2-3 minutes maximum of each tune? It's his mixing." it isnt he plays the best part of each record an be 4 u get bored of it its cut out and mixed quickly an straight onto another record 2 keep u interested
every body knows m-zone isnt the best at mixin an 4 me an most m-zone fans it is the tunes he plays even if it is 4 2-3mins this was he finest quality as a dj and imo he dosent play any tunes of that quality any more
i miss M ZONES trance man .. :eh:
macca
15-12-2003, 12:34 AM
i miss M ZONES trance man .. :clap:
Voorheez
15-12-2003, 07:29 AM
an 1 more thing even tho u say "I don't agree. How can he be when he generally plays about 2-3 minutes maximum of each tune? It's his mixing." it isnt he plays the best part of each record an be 4 u get bored of it its cut out and mixed quickly an straight onto another record 2 keep u interested
Well then it's his mixing that is more important then isn't it!
macca
15-12-2003, 12:17 PM
how is it his mixing no 1 says after his sets what a wicked mixed set by m-zone they say wow that tune was amazing an that tune was thats what he stands out as a class dj it is his selection and arrangement of quality tunes
enuff said
Acid Bread
15-12-2003, 12:28 PM
m-zone's production in the 95-96 was awesome for uk44 and his other labels!! only have a phew on vinyl due to people not willin to sell them cause there so good!!! ist airborn-blaggermaster was i killer of a tune cained by the mad man himself.on the the dj side of things he was'nt all that good at times but still deliverd the goods for me allway's!!!! I lOVE M-ZONE!!! 110%
respect mick!!!!
Yoshimitsu
15-12-2003, 02:02 PM
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(voorheez)As for everyone who is saying M Zone is all about the tunes - I don't agree. How can he be when he generally plays about 2-3 minutes maximum of each tune? It's his mixing. :clap: :clap:
I totally agree. In the past I'd always leave a club after an m-zone set not knowing many of his tunes as he always used to have the frshest stuff.
Recently though he just plays the same old same old.. Check out this post from another topic about an m-zone set:
Check it:
1. Lorenzo DePreti - Dangerous Experience 3 months old
2. Schwarzende - The Censored Theme New
3. Analogic Disturbance - Hunting (2) 9 months old
4. Shithead - Shithead 2003 New
5. Tronik - Sensational 3 months old
6. Julian Dj & Davide Sonar - Go Go Go 6 months old
7. Jimmy the Sound - Modulo 1 year old
8. Julian Dj & Davide Sonar - Techno Noise 1 year old
9. ?
10. Trance Generators - You Can't Stop Us (Analogic Dist. mix) New
11. ?
12. ?
13. Dj Isaac - Thriller 2002 1 year & a half old
14. Player One - Insomnia 2 years old
15. The Hose - My Little Stalker New
16. Brain 40 New
Mostly old tunes so saying that m-zone is all about tune selection and not mixin is bollocks!
People can say how badly they rate m-zones mixing but his style is 100% unique and no one even attempts to mimic this which must mean there is a huge amount of technical skill involved.
I have nothin but upmost respect for the m-zone :clap: :cool: :clap:
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macca
15-12-2003, 02:17 PM
Mostly old tunes so saying that m-zone is all about tune selection and not mixin is bollocks! ur missin my point m8 that tune selection ur showing is what im on about its totally cack boring tunes, so now u av got an m-zone who dosent really mix well as 2 the old m-zone who played quality tunes an still didnt mix well, an i mean by his mixin keeping the beats inline with each other no doubt his mixin is unique but say its good is nonsense
Yoshimitsu
15-12-2003, 02:24 PM
Mostly old tunes so saying that m-zone is all about tune selection and not mixin is bollocks! ur missin my point m8 that tune selection ur showing is what im on about its totally cack boring tunes, so now u av got an m-zone who dosent really mix well as 2 the old m-zone who played quality tunes an still didnt mix well, an i mean by his mixin keeping the beats inline with each other no doubt his mixin is unique but say its good is nonsense
I see your point mate but tbh if im in a club I dont really care if the odd beat slips.. It may seem a bit sloppy but the sheer originality of his mixes more than compensates imo.
macca
15-12-2003, 02:26 PM
an u cant ell me u listen 2 him just becos of his class mixin cos it aint true sorry m8, the 1st thing that seperated m-zone from other djs then was his the tune selectiona and co-ordination the only reason i thought mark was a better dj cos he had he had both qualitys excellent mixin an great selection of tunes as well as co-ordination. imo m-zone has lost this part of his djing ability which 4 me is his biggest asset
Yoshimitsu
15-12-2003, 02:32 PM
an u cant ell me u listen 2 him just becos of his class mixin cos it aint true sorry m8,
No thats not the only factor.... cause you know that even if he does drop a good proportion of old tunes hes still gonna get the crowd stomping and everyone'll leave with a huge grin on their face. M-zone is the f*ckin man wen it comes to creatin atmosphere even if his beatmatchin is sometimes sloppy. Not the most important thing imo
macca
15-12-2003, 02:46 PM
i agree mixin isnt so improtant but it helps, but the thing he stands out 4 an is the most important thing 4 most djs is the sets they play mixin comes second, but the shit he plays now imo is cack so if he hasnt got the tune selection an excellent sets what has he got as a dj cos he mixin aint the best imo but this isnt my main criticism its his selection of tunes, 2 me there boring an not original thats my crtiticism the stuff he plays now!
Yoshimitsu
15-12-2003, 02:54 PM
I agree not neccessarily original but to me it just sounds like you dont like hardstyle and if thats the case you wont like any m-zone sets nowadays!
Si the Sigh
15-12-2003, 02:55 PM
...if mixing wasn't that important then all DJ's could just play tracks that went off! hey, you could get dodgy Dave the mobile disco man to play at events! :roll:
macca
15-12-2003, 02:57 PM
i dont not like hardtsyle some of its amazing but most reminds of hardhouse it sound 2 similar 2 be honest i prefer the older stuff music that gets you movin but listenin 2 it at the same time hardstyle just dosent do that 4 me touch me concentration on hoovers an bass not on the melody side
Si the Sigh
15-12-2003, 02:59 PM
hardstyle to me is harder hard house...
...just my opinion. hardstyle heads feel free to shoot me! ;)
Si the Sigh
15-12-2003, 03:03 PM
hardstyle to me is harder hard house...
...just my opinion. hardstyle heads feel free to shoot me! ;)
...BUT, and its a big 'but', that last time i heard Mark play hardstyle, i was quite impressed. his tunes were very different & not the usual below par, sub standard, predictable hardstyle...
macca
15-12-2003, 03:05 PM
"hardstyle to me is harder hard house..." totally agree :clap:
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:17 PM
I totally disagree that Hardstyle is harder hard house. The Dutch Hardstyle can be sort of scene as that, because they use very similar synth stabs to hoovers.
Italian style Hardstyle is in a no way like hard house... its very wierd and monotone, hard house is no way like this.
macca
15-12-2003, 03:24 PM
I totally disagree that Hardstyle is harder hard house
sorry m8 it is imo becos both basically concentrate on bass not enuff imagination any where else and whats more similar about syles these is nearly every track of hardtsyle i hear is same and not different this was the probably hardhouse's main fault
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:28 PM
I think this topic is loosing site...
Facts I believe to be true...
M-ZONE has put a massive input to the scene and done brilliant work for the underground world.
M-ZONE has the ability to pick great tunes, whether that be the present hardstyle or trance of the past.
M-ZONE has a unique mixing style, which is very fast and to deliver tunes so that the bass lines and hard kicks are complemented well.
M-ZONE make minor mistakes at the espense of offering a faster paced set.
M-ZONE recently has blended more older stuff with newer due to internet bringing newer tunes to us at same time as M-Zone finds them.
- Below is what I disagree with...
M-Zone's mixing is poor. It simply is not, he mixes a very different way which IS TOTALLY BRILLIANT to hear on the dance floor, but as Voorheez says, can be easily be picked at if heard on CD/TAPE.
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M-Zone is a legend, great DJ, great guy... nuff said.
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:32 PM
I totally disagree that Hardstyle is harder hard house
sorry m8 it is imo becos both basically concentrate on bass not enuff imagination any where else and whats more similar about syles these is nearly every track of hardtsyle i hear is same and not different this was the probably hardhouse's main fault
trust me your not listening to enough hard style then... and I don't mean that as the be all and end all, I just think you aren't hearing enough.
Hardstyle isn't about JUST being hard, its basically the music at the harder end of the hard trance spectrum (its evolved from it). It's more about the PERCUSSION and STRUCTURE which the "hardness is delivered". The bass is very important, but its the quirky riff which goes with it which gives the track its unique style. Hardstyle is power and energy at a good tempo. Hard House for me is not this.
Hard House is exactly what it is, and I'm sorry but I think you couldn't mistake the two in a million years. They sound different and are completely different in design and theme.
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:33 PM
I totally disagree that Hardstyle is harder hard house
sorry m8 it is imo becos both basically concentrate on bass not enuff imagination any where else and whats more similar about syles these is nearly every track of hardtsyle i hear is same and not different this was the probably hardhouse's main fault
Also I'm sorry that I disagree with you, hey your entitled to your opinion but I do love my hardstyle and I think that you are wrong to suggest it is like hard house. In that case why don't l like hard house?
Respect your thoughts and opinions though mate, I've taken them in. ;)
macca
15-12-2003, 03:41 PM
Also I'm sorry that I disagree with you, hey your entitled to your opinion but I do love my hardstyle and I think that you are wrong to suggest it is like hard house. In that case why don't l like hard house?
i believe most people dont like hard house be cos of the commercial side of it an the twat money load djs that play it, an they seem 2 be moving on 2 hardstyle
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:43 PM
good point about the commercial side of things, but in fairness, I've never liked Hard House.
macca
15-12-2003, 03:46 PM
i hope im wrong as much as i dont like it i wouldnt wanna c these bastards comercialise it an make money of it the twats, all i can say is be true 2 ur own style an good look 2 ya
Hakka.
15-12-2003, 03:53 PM
fair play man.
Voorheez
15-12-2003, 04:48 PM
how is it his mixing no 1 says after his sets what a wicked mixed set
Well, i've heard plenty of people say 'what a wicked set' about M Zone.
enuff said
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ur missin my point m8 that tune selection ur showing is what im on about its totally cack boring tunes, so now u av got an m-zone who dosent really mix well as 2 the old m-zone who played quality tunes an still didnt mix well, an i mean by his mixin keeping the beats inline with each other no doubt his mixin is unique but say its good is nonsense
That track listing shows that M Zone is popular despite not being so upfront with his tunes anymore, because of his style of mixing.
Also, those tunes aren't cack and boring and it's not nonsense to say his mixing is good! :nono:
i think m-zones mixing is poor, having said that i havent heard him play a set for a couple of years, yeah its unique, unique in the sense that its so awful, i dont think their are many people much worse at this side of dj'ing.
but i do find programming, far more important, and this is something m-zone is good at. he always played the right tracks, his choice of records were brilliant (far better than marks imo) although their was the time when he dropped "alice deejay - i want u back in my life" which i cannot forgive him for :lol:
and even more importantly, m-zone has a heart, hes both passionate and dedicated about the music he plays, he pioneered the hard trance sound in this country, and was making hard trance when most people on this board were probably still making sandcastles.
respect to the man. :clap: hes a legend, a true legend.
Voorheez
15-12-2003, 05:00 PM
I've been reading back through againg on this post, and some of the things you say and the way you have put them Macca are quite confusing. It seems to me having read them again that you think that mixing is just keeping the beats in line. It isn't, there is far more to it. Structure and placement matter, as does EQ'ing - and it takes a lot of skill to mix fast and makes it sound good.
M Zone does structure very well, he places the next tune perfectly most times and he always mixes fast, playing the best part of the tune (as you yourself say in an earlier post) before banging in the next one. This is all part of mixing, so it baffles me how you say M Zone's mixing is bad!?
Do you DJ yourself? If so, I go back to what I said earlier - try to mix a set like how M Zone mixes, then see what you think of his mixing.
another thing, m-zone has shown complete dedication to trance & hard trance, for over 10 yrs, how many djs can say that? not once did he jump ship, not once did he turn to a genre where the money was. ok hes playin hardstyle now, for obvious reasons. but how many djs stick to one genre for that length of time? m-zone was playin & making trance when 99% of people had never heard of the genre.
he always mixes fast, playing the best part of the tune
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your right actually voorheez, i too was a bit over critical of his mixing, to be fair he does keep the tracks short, and yeah he does play the best part of a track. but still their is lots of room for improvement on this side of his game.
macca
15-12-2003, 05:38 PM
M Zone does structure very well, he places the next tune perfectly most times and he always mixes fast, playing the best part of the tune
thats 1 off the things i like i must admit ur right there i just think he could the beats inline more often whilst doin this is what i cant understand but it didnt bother me that much back in the day cos his tune selection made up 4 it. i just dont like his tune selection now so i dont look 4 ward 2 hearin his sets any more imo
Voorheez
15-12-2003, 05:39 PM
He makes mistakes - a lot of mistakes yes, but it doesn't necessarily make him bad beacause he makes up for it in other areas and because he has the balls to try to mix fast even when it goes wrong occasionally.
I'm sure M Zone could mix intro into outro on each mix and get it perfect, but then if he did, I wouldn't like him so much because it isn't exciting, and that's what I like about him.
dj vorny
15-12-2003, 05:42 PM
WTF
m zone is the bollox !! he does mix quick an this is why his style is ruff,m zones been me fav dj since 94 when he used to help run the doncaster warehouse :twisted: top nights every saturday 8 am finish ;) hes took the scene so far an continues to do so.as for him droppin a few mixes so what if he wanted to im sure he could just play diferent an not short mix but what would m zone be then :neutral: just the same as every other dj :nono: hes the main man :clap: MASSIVE RESPECT TO M ZONE :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: its all about the hardbass :lol:
Richierush
15-12-2003, 06:02 PM
although mzones mixin aint the best hes still one of the top crowd pleases,so what if he cant mix hes made a name for himself and hell be big for alot longer ;)
Si the Sigh
15-12-2003, 06:51 PM
WTF m zone is the bollox !! he does mix quick an this is why his style is ruff
...you what? :eh: i hear DJ's 'quick mix' all the time & they still manage to keep tunes in time & beats poppin' so that is NO excuse... :nono:
look, M-ZONE was the bollocks a while back. you can NOT diss the man for his work within the scene & he's been a HUGE influence, etc; (it's all been said in this thread & i agree) BUT i honestly think that if he was just starting out & not where he was today, he would struggle to get a play. thats my honest opinion, and before you all shoot me, im entitled to have my own opinion, same as you have yours. if mixing isn't that important, why are any of us learning to mix? you guys say he rocks the dancefloor / club / venue what ever, yes he does. but his mixing is not up to scratch & hes 'rocking' a crowd with the power of his name & upfront tunes. now if 'Joe Blogs' whos a young up & coming DJ hands in a demo tape with quick mixing with rough as fu*k mixes to a promoter, do you think hes going to get a booking? i doubt it. see, i think M-Zone's name is enough to keep him going, you put the name on the flyer, your clubs full. now that might sound PROPER harsh, but its how i see things.
...and before ANY of you type a response to this post, using the wise words of my good friend DJ Abyss..."think about it!"
do you DJ / mix? do you HONESTLY think if you handed in a demo with rough as fu*k mixing you would get a booking? because you KNOW you wouldn't. like i said dodgy Dave with his mobile disco could buy upfront tunes and spin them & rock a floor in a club if there was no weddings for him to do one weekend.
i'll leave the final words to Mr Emotion icon...
:love:-oh dj dodgy dave your the best! drop that titanic track one more time! woop woop!
Yoshimitsu
15-12-2003, 08:07 PM
I think this topic is loosing site...
Facts I believe to be true...
M-ZONE has put a massive input to the scene and done brilliant work for the underground world.
M-ZONE has the ability to pick great tunes, whether that be the present hardstyle or trance of the past.
M-ZONE has a unique mixing style, which is very fast and to deliver tunes so that the bass lines and hard kicks are complemented well.
M-ZONE make minor mistakes at the espense of offering a faster paced set.
M-ZONE recently has blended more older stuff with newer due to internet bringing newer tunes to us at same time as M-Zone finds them.
- Below is what I disagree with...
M-Zone's mixing is poor. It simply is not, he mixes a very different way which IS TOTALLY BRILLIANT to hear on the dance floor, but as Voorheez says, can be easily be picked at if heard on CD/TAPE.
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M-Zone is a legend, great DJ, great guy... nuff said.
:clap: :clap: F*kn rite! :clap: :clap:
basslinejunkie
15-12-2003, 08:28 PM
thats a good point si,a very good point!! didnt think of it in that way :doh:
Voorheez
15-12-2003, 09:22 PM
I think M Zone has earnt his position though, and things were a lot different when he took up Dj'ing. No bedroom extraordinaires were there to nit pick your mixing. How many of most of the superstar Dj's would be in the position they are now if they were trying for a career now? Quite a few would not, because it's harder these days.
My opinion is that his mixing IS up to scratch. There is 'quick mixing' and there is M Zone speed mixing which is faster. NO other Dj mixes as fast as M Zone. None. Try to find me one, and one that does it in a club envonment... :?:
And as for handing in a demo with rough mixing, it depends on how rough. M Zone's isn't that rough, i've heard much worse - and if I was handing in an M Zone equivelant CD it would have 60+ tracks on the CD, which I would have to believe would get you a booking in a lot of places.
Why? Because no-one else does it. Only M Zone.
DJ Corbzy
15-12-2003, 09:56 PM
NO other Dj mixes as fast as M Zone. None. Try to find me one, and one that does it in a club envonment... :?:
IAIN CROSS, I've never heard a man mix so quickly with such perfect beatmatching. IMO he pisses ALL over M-zone's mixing nowadays...and he does it with style and his tune selection is immense, he's a pleasure to watch everytime... :clap:
Voorheez
16-12-2003, 04:36 PM
Nah, sorry Corbz i've seen Iain and heard Cds, he mixes fast, but not M Zone speed. I mix fast like Iain too, but M Zone is a whole different story
can you mix like iain :shock:
Voorheez
16-12-2003, 04:42 PM
I never said that, but well yeah ;) better :lol:
a good friend of mine once told me that if he heard a live cd that didnt contailn one single mistake it was crap. he told me he liked to hear errors cause it meant it was live. not played with or touched cleanned up or run through a pc. EVERY DJ ****S UP SOMETIMES, but generally anyone can beat match for **** sake you only have to be able to count to four !! surley its about the atmosphere that the dj creates, when was the last time you went out and mzone werent rocking the club??? you cant recreate this shit you either have it or you dont, mzone has it in abbundance the last 10 or so years prove it.
LORD OF THE UNDERGROUND
Voorheez
16-12-2003, 05:43 PM
I think I better add there that i'm only joking, no I don't mix like Iain Cross because I don't want to mix like anyone else, I like to have my own style. I do mix fast a lot of the time though, so does Iain.
Also that I really like Iain's as a Dj, he's really good - just that he doesn't mix as fast as M Zone (not saying that's a good or bad thing either- thats up to opinion)
i didnt say do you, i said can you :lol: ;) lol ...
If every dj's mixing style was the same it would be an extremely boring scene. To be honest I personally dont care what anyone says about mzone as the following facts will never change
HE ROCKS EVERY EVENT HE PLAYS AT.
HE HAS PIONEERED THE HARD TRANCE/HARDSTYLE SCENE IN THE UK.
HE IS A LEGEND....
I have personally never seen or heard of him fail to get a dance floor kickin with his unique style..And if the dj's on here that have critisised his styles achieve half of what he has so far in their dj career (if they get one) as he has, they will be doing extremely well....
Voorheez
17-12-2003, 07:26 AM
Well said ADDI :clap:
its all true though voorheez how many ppl who have slated him here play all over and have owned and ran rec' labels??? how many have pioneered a particular genre of music? How many command as many bookings as mick does per week? how many are known all over and can fill most dance events?
i can answer that NOT MANY if ANY!!
by the way voorheez i hate your style of mixing why dont you mix like jusge jules and play his style of music??? :nono: :lol:
mzone is ****ing ace when i last saw him on boxing day i was a sweaty mess come the end of his set then it was up to mark to finish us off with 2 hours of fine techno and hardstyle mayhem
everytime ive seen him hes been mental and i love his unique style of mixing
Louk
Tristan
25-05-2004, 11:02 AM
....and I'm not a **** trainspotter!
yes you are matey :lol:
Barely Human
25-05-2004, 12:24 PM
I really cant belive i have just read though all of this drivel. :shock:
Are some of you kids or something? Your arguing opinions, whats the point in that??? You cant argue and opinion, cause that is all it is, an opinion. Whats happend with this board lately?? Everyone just seams to want to jump down someones throat, or slag the scene off, or complain about shit releases. Sort it out.
Si the Sigh
25-05-2004, 01:25 PM
This is an old as fu*k thread. Who brought it up again? :eh:
Si the Sigh
25-05-2004, 01:25 PM
Blame Louk! :roll:
Jay Sanders
25-05-2004, 01:34 PM
Ive just read most of it and its all a little strange really!!!
But lets blame Louk anyway coz thats funny...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Tristan
25-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Ive just read most of it and its all a little strange really!!!
But lets blame Louk anyway coz thats funny...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
haha:lol:
Tristan
25-05-2004, 01:35 PM
:eh:
Si the Sigh
25-05-2004, 02:24 PM
EVERYONE BLAME LOUK!! :lol:
K Front
25-05-2004, 09:28 PM
Its not on louk! :nono:
:lol:
cunts i was only looking for an old tracklist
i'll get you sanders you wait (does evil wide eye thing)
funny thing is jay i played your tune tonite :)
Louk
EVERYONE BLAME LOUK!! :lol:
:love: Love you si :)
Louk
I really cant belive i have just read though all of this drivel. :shock:
Are some of you kids or something? Your arguing opinions, whats the point in that??? You cant argue and opinion, cause that is all it is, an opinion. Whats happend with this board lately?? Everyone just seams to want to jump down someones throat, or slag the scene off, or complain about shit releases. Sort it out.
:clap: :clap: bang on iq mate
Jay Sanders
26-05-2004, 10:30 AM
Ha ha ha, sorry Louk mate!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good on ya for playing one of our tunes.... which one was it???
de novo1 mate
cant remember if it was orig or liberator mix
think it was liberator mix
wellso
27-05-2004, 11:01 PM
listening to Mark EG B2B M-Zone tapes got me into the scene and introduced me to hard trance, and for that reason I consider M-Zone a feckin trance god :lol:
some of his sets are just amazing IMO :rambo:
chem-x
28-05-2004, 05:21 PM
Anyone able to mention a few good mixes of his?
Not from the UK, so ive heard little or none from the guy, apart from a few productions.
I like fast and in your face mixing, has a real good effect on the dancefloor and maybe not as good for the sitting critics at the back of the club, I would still regard it as a warning sign if a person picks up Hardstyle later in his career. The whole concept and blueprints of hardstyle limits the whole potential of the genre. Just too damn simple. Can't argue it, sorry.
Hardstyle derives from rotterdam/terror/hardcore more than anything else. Though alot of artists blends and breeds it with all from techno, to trance, to hardhouse, to nrg.
Apart from a few producers starting to sound alike in hardtrance and hardstyle-crossovers, the two have nothing in common apart from compatability bass and kick wise.
Though i like some of the quality hardstyle, and always hated hardhouse, I definitely agree its the "new hardhouse"... Same hysteric success, same cheap bang, same simple recipy. Sorry.
The genre just doesnt have enough content. It's all about bass and kick hysteria, which only amounts two, out of 10ths of important elements in a good trance track..
Listen to something by technoboy, that has sold full presses and been repressed.. Its such a stripped sound. It's a kick and a bass, some vocals and a siren and you got yourself a winner.
Exactly like hardhouse..
You guys oughta get M-Zone spinning trance again :D
Heard alot of good talk about him, pity he's chosen the cheap thrills road of hardstyle. That genre has a limited time span im afraid.
Voorheez
28-05-2004, 05:38 PM
M Zone is a constant pioneer, so i'm sure he'll be moving on to something far before us rather than moving backwards...
aponaut
28-05-2004, 07:49 PM
M Zone is a constant pioneer, so i'm sure he'll be moving on to something far before us rather than moving backwards...
True - he's probably already got his ear on the next big thing
Yoshimitsu
29-05-2004, 01:09 PM
Hardstyle derives from rotterdam/terror/hardcore more than anything else. .
id say it derived from hard trance. harder, and less melody. eg.hennes & cold bassline which was hard trance
Voorheez
30-05-2004, 10:51 AM
http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11237&highlight=intro
My thoughts...
CHUCK-E
30-05-2004, 01:25 PM
yeah, there was loads of hardstyle around years ago, but the name 'hardstye' was never really talked about much in this country... Mark,Vortex and M-Zone were playin it a while b4 the whole 'name' took off... It was always hard trance- right up 2 { as so many mention } Scot Projects mix of the 2nd trip, def' hardstyle track tho..
The name 'hardstyle' was goin about in Holland 4 a good few years b4 it started gettin thrown about here {uk} and now its really taken off, its got bigger in popularity and has an equal ammont of slaters 2, which in most cases { no offence } I would come under that bracket...
Imo, theres some qulity stuff around but not much, I feel its a bit repetitive { tho, we cud agree and disagree all day long that ALL hard dance music is repetative } and that the actual sound has no where 2 go.... The tunes with the heavy kick and the hoovery hard house samples and that, I hate them- Its a step backwards in the scene IMO, but each 2 there own- at least it has brort a bit more variety 2 the scene 4 now at least.....
Stompin Stirl
31-05-2004, 11:38 PM
m-zone never fails to impress!!! neither does mark whos better i cant say!!!
Yoshimitsu
01-06-2004, 11:58 AM
m-zone never fails to impress!!! neither does mark whos better i cant say!!!
m-zones pure hardstyle buti prefer mark coz its a bit of variety ;)
Jay M
01-06-2004, 01:23 PM
couldnt possibly pick whos better as they have both been a major influence to me.
Richierush
04-06-2004, 12:52 AM
id have to go with mzone as his varity is just hardstyle its hard hard and hard with mark its mixed,like that 15 cans of stella tune but personally when dat comes on its just a chill out for me it drags on when i wanna stomp ;) just my opion but who cares lol!
Yoshimitsu
04-06-2004, 03:05 PM
id have to go with mzone as his varity is just hardstyle its hard hard and hard with mark its mixed,like that 15 cans of stella tune but personally when dat comes on its just a chill out for me it drags on when i wanna stomp ;) just my opion but who cares lol!
Yeh im not a fan of the techno either :neutral:
Tristan
04-06-2004, 04:04 PM
id have to go with mzone as his varity is just hardstyle its hard hard and hard with mark its mixed,like that 15 cans of stella tune but personally when dat comes on its just a chill out for me it drags on when i wanna stomp ;) just my opion but who cares lol!
I think its much better to have some varity in your set
Richierush
04-06-2004, 07:50 PM
yeah but techno no thanx maybe a bit of hardstyle or bit of hardtrance in with each other or maybe a touch of gabba but techno just doesnt do it in there type of sets but if its there stylelet it be :neutral:
Addict
20-06-2004, 07:29 PM
mzone is **** ace when i last saw him on boxing day i was a sweaty mess come the end of his set then it was up to mark to finish us off with 2 hours of fine techno and hardstyle mayhem
everytime ive seen him hes been mental and i love his unique style of mixing
Louk
This is a year old mate why not just start a new thread!
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