View Full Version : Serious Hardstlye Vote... please post your vote!
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:33 PM
http://germantrance.com/content/_rams/BXX05A.ram
Now I need a seious vote here... is this good hardstyle or bad hardstyle?
Hardstyle is really going in three directions... the dark way, the hard house way and the wierd way.
The dark and the wierd way is the way for me. A new sound which has feeling and purpose. Hard House way, is just the way of the boring same old noises being used to create a hard fast paced pile of noise.
I personal thought on first hearing of this track "hey... not bad" but this was soon replaced with "err... is that it?" followed by "so wheres the track then? This is not a track? its a collection of repetative noises?".
I just don't feel this is music... it lacks purpose and is just exisiting because someone wanted to make something using the ideas of every other early hard style tune.
There's no ambition it seems to produce something new... only make your version of what's already about. We need new ideas for hardstyle, too many people are running away from it as if its about to die - some because they think it has died. It hasn't...
Am I wrong? or am I right? - Either way... I just want to hear your views. Please make them deep and meaningful where you can!
;)
DJ Corbzy
22-12-2003, 02:39 PM
PROPER GASH!
Just a load of blagged samples init?
This kind of stuff is the reason why i went of Hardstyle quickly !
Children could put all those Squeek samples and famous Snare Drum and Bass together !
There is still some well produced intelligent Hardstyle out there , but it gets harder to find as this shit still sells !
Apologies if the producer reads this , but come on , my brother could make that and he lives for rap !
It also makes it hard for peeps who put there heart and soul into making tunes , trying to make it fresh , and get it out there only to get knocked down by this poo !
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:43 PM
I'm glad I've not gone mad then. I was worried that I would get a flood of responses saying "this is amazing... hakka yo've lost the plot mate..."
I really like a cunt for not liking this, because the person who has made it has gone all the way to have it pressed and released... just so hardstyle fan like me can say how shite I think it is.
but then again, you have to ask... has this REALLY been made to compliment the genre or to make money?
I find it hard to know how either is really an option of this tune. Its just boring.
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:43 PM
that should of read "I really feel like a cunt" as opposed to what is said.
DJ Corbzy
22-12-2003, 02:45 PM
I think it's more a problem of label owners not knowing how to differentiate between good hardstyle and bad hardstyle....
It can only make money if it gets bought !
Im im sory in saying this , but if you twonks keep buying this gash material then it will carry on spreading like a virus !
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:47 PM
I also think that true promo's are not geting honest feedback anymore. What big DJ got a copy of this and charted it?
Either a fool or a blagger who doesn't want to stop getting promo's by charting it low. <- that's just a feel I'm getting.
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:48 PM
It can only make money if it gets bought !
Im im sory in saying this , but if you twonks keep buying this gash material then it will carry on spreading like a virus !
true!
someone has to be buying it, and we can hardly ask distributors to stop allowing shite music to be allowed to reach the shops as the shops need to make there money too and if it sells they are now doubt going to want to keep them selling.
that should of read "I really feel like a cunt" as opposed to what is said.
i just thought you blerted out what every man thinks of every 5 minutes !
ID REALLY LIKE SOME CUNT !
shame you cant take a ticket for the meat counter at Tesco's innit !
back to subject !
This stuff make me vomit as much as hard house , im sorry , it come under the category of shit hardstyle , and that cat is getting bigger every day and richer than good hardstyle !
i can understand to a degree to produce fresh hardstyle because as soion as you plop a melody in to it , and get rid of that ****ing razz bass , it become hard trance ,
so yes i understand the actual sounds that you so say must use are limited ,
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:53 PM
Maybe I'm misguided or deluded, but I think I can help hardstyle production wise... I have ideas which if I can deliver them to how I think of them, they will be good (I hope).
I also see the potential of Vorny and Wez doing the very same for hardstyle.
I hope that the UK can next year hit the italians and dutch back with UK HARDSTYLE, which is the next best thing.
I'm really hoping we can do it - I'm getting closer all the time to having my finished track the way I would love to hear it if I was record shopping and how I would love to hear it in the club.
Best of luck to anyone else who I've missed too who is from the UK and is trying to hardstyle produce!
It can only make money if it gets bought !
Im im sory in saying this , but if you twonks keep buying this gash material then it will carry on spreading like a virus !
true!
someone has to be buying it, and we can hardly ask distributors to stop allowing shite music to be allowed to reach the shops as the shops need to make there money too and if it sells they are now doubt going to want to keep them selling.
oh yes i agree , its all a business after all ! ££££
but
if a few brave labels simply said no , i want fresher and more thought into this please , for a few months ,
i guarantee , it would change ,
ok
they may have a empty pocket for a month odd , but shit !
if my sole job was to sit down and make tunes , **** , no matter how much i get paid , i wouldnt dare sit there thinking
put that beat again tehre , same bass , snare snare , crappy tune , burn , send , sell !
no ****ing chance
thats why i get so angry when i bust my ass in full time employment , then home until early hours of the morning , put all the efforts i can into getting a fresh as **** sound , testing with people !
in the time i take to make one tune , some make 10 !
madness really is ,
if i have offended anyone in this convo i applogise , it winds me up !
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 02:56 PM
oh yes i agree , its all a business after all ! ££££
but
if a few brave labels simply said no , i want fresher and more thought into this please , for a few months ,
i guarantee , it would change ,
ok
they may have a empty pocket for a month odd , but shit !
if my sole job was to sit down and make tunes , **** , no matter how much i get paid , i wouldnt dare sit there thinking
put that beat again tehre , same bass , snare snare , crappy tune , burn , send , sell !
no ****ing chance
thats why i get so angry when i bust my ass in full time employment , then home until early hours of the morning , put all the efforts i can into getting a fresh as **** sound , testing with people !
in the time i take to make one tune , some make 10 !
madness really is ,
if i have offended anyone in this convo i applogise , it winds me up !
absolutely man. Maybe that's the advantage we have... our generation of UK producers has the passion to create something worth while... and we are not fueled by the money maker desire.
Sure I'd love to earn a living off it, but I would never sacarifce the music for the money. That's missing the point of music.
[quote="I also see the potential of Vorny and Wez doing the very same for hardstyle.[/quote]
i dont follow any style , i just bring out what in my head !
and it certainly wouldnt follow the standard of hardstyle lately !
anyone can mash a beat for 6 minutes , with a snare break , crap tune drive ending !
i simply sit down , and release what has been in my head storing up all my life i way form or another !
ideas to sound
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:00 PM
One problem I think mostly italian labels are suffering from, is that the head of the label is the main producer. So he hammers out his own work regardless if everyone thinks its shit. Where as other labels have a manager who probably wouldn't let something like that get released. Also there is NOT ENOUGH remix colaberation. Labels are just releasing there own stuff and not considering cross-producer mixing. This is important and was rife in 2002... we have scot project, shokk, flutlict, uberdruck etc... mixes on other labels which added so much diversity and cross-ideas.
Yoshimitsu
22-12-2003, 03:01 PM
Totally agree 100% wank. :dontevengothere: :nono: :mashed: :help: :dontevengothere:
Totally agree with that mate , its over seas who are the worst ,
dont even bother listening to Pavo , Techno Boy , Blut Boy any more as i know dam sure what the ssound will be !
I have labeld those kind of producers
5 Sample Wonders
as i think that is all they have in there production folder !
unless they do somethng spectacular soon then i will stay thinking that for a long time !
TG are losing the plot also ,
Ahhh make any old shit , it will sell , IS NOT , I REPEAT , IS NOT what this industry should be about !
If it carrys on we shall have to have a TV Series called Electronic Music Idol !
And gather all the generic shite into one TV Show , and again , make ****ing money !
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:03 PM
[quote="I also see the potential of Vorny and Wez doing the very same for hardstyle.
i dont follow any style , i just bring out what in my head !
and it certainly wouldnt follow the standard of hardstyle lately !
anyone can mash a beat for 6 minutes , with a snare break , crap tune drive ending !
i simply sit down , and release what has been in my head storing up all my life i way form or another !
ideas to sound[/quote]
Sorry man you did read that how I intended it didn't you? I was saying that I see the potential in your and Vorny to create something much more original and better than what is about at the moment which will be good for hardstyle.
I wasn't saying that you and vorny will only produce the same as what is already out! no way! think you guys have ability to do very well and I look forward to your releases! ;)
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:06 PM
I wont go as far as not listening to some producers, but I do get very frustrated when the SAME THINGS are being done every release. Blutonium are awful at the moment, masters of bass was good but before that I wasn't happy with anything they did... right back to "go burn that fatty ass" - that was the last release they did I loved.
If we can't rely on the producers doing the right thing abroad, its up to us to set the standard.
You with me bro? The worst thing that could happen is that we die trying...
[quote="I also see the potential of Vorny and Wez doing the very same for hardstyle.
i dont follow any style , i just bring out what in my head !
and it certainly wouldnt follow the standard of hardstyle lately !
anyone can mash a beat for 6 minutes , with a snare break , crap tune drive ending !
i simply sit down , and release what has been in my head storing up all my life i way form or another !
ideas to sound
Sorry me babs , i had tears of anger in my eyes , hahaahhahaah
Thanks mate , appreciate the support !
OK , we are nothing at the moment , a mere pimple on the ass of the industry , but the sheer volume of talent i have heard on this one board is immense , im gobsmacked !
Again it really winds me up that the standard of sound on this very board gets over ruled and not given a chance by the greedy ****ers who have made it and dont give others a chance !
Maybe they are scared or to lazy of such prodcution ,
ERE IF WE TAKE THEM ON THEY WILL MAKE US LOOK CUNTS AND GET MOST IF THE MONEY !
EVERYONE STARTS AT THE BOTTOM , DONT FORGET THAT , GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE !
Sorry man you did read that how I intended it didn't you? I was saying that I see the potential in your and Vorny to create something much more original and better than what is about at the moment which will be good for hardstyle.
I wasn't saying that you and vorny will only produce the same as what is already out! no way! think you guys have ability to do very well and I look forward to your releases! ;)[/quote]
K Front
22-12-2003, 03:14 PM
I know this track isnt the best and most people with a good ear for hardstyle would cringe at it, but, these tracks do sell, people do buy them! Its just like hard house, most of you say its gash, which it is, but people still like it and buy it.
Hard house listeners could say the same about hard trance, i dont think it really matters if producers are making music like this, if people like it and want to buy it, then whats the problem?
But on the other hand it does ruin the name once you have tracks like this being released. And also spoils other tracks in the same genre. For example, a dj could mix a top quality hardstyle track into this..
But personally i dont see a problem, if there are people who like this sort of hardstyle then they are going to produce and buy it.
This is complete rubbish, the riff is non-existant. The bass is obviously lifted, the bleeps are just shit, no power to them whatsover, there's too many of them, and they are too high pitched, meaning it has to be played at a fast speed which is NOT what hardstyle is about.
I doubt the producer went out soley to make money out of it, he is obviously an amateur and this is a very under-developed tune, made by someone with limited and undeveloped production skills. How this kind of thing gets to be pressed onto vinyl really is beyond me. I have many friends who are making their own tunes with Reason, who havent found labels yet, but are a million miles ahead of this kind of thing.
The above goes for all hard-house influenced hardstyle, and most of the blinging black spoken vocals used in hardstyle.
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:19 PM
I know this track isnt the best and most people with a good ear for hardstyle would cringe at it, but, these tracks do sell, people do buy them! Its just like hard house, most of you say its gash, which it is, but people still like it and buy it.
Hard house listeners could say the same about hard trance, i dont think it really matters if producers are making music like this, if people like it and want to buy it, then whats the problem?
But on the other hand it does ruin the name once you have tracks like this being released. And also spoils other tracks in the same genre. For example, a dj could mix a top quality hardstyle track into this..
But personally i dont see a problem, if there are people who like this sort of hardstyle then they are going to produce and buy it.
Only reason I say its a problem, is because people like Simon Pitt and Soundfixation, who 8 months ago called there night the "Plymouth's first hardstyle night" are of the opinion that italians have killed hardstyle and its the new hard house. Soundfixation said that he was not going to be playing any hardstyle in his recent 6 hour set... why not??!?!!? - to me its going back on the principle of the night you started, but then again I respect that if he wants to do that then cool.
Just two poeople who I know loved hardstyle 8 months ago have changed there tune too quickly (sorry about the pun!) and I think hardstyle does have life...
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:20 PM
This is complete rubbish, the riff is non-existant. The bass is obviously lifted, the bleeps are just shit, no power to them whatsover, there's too many of them, and they are too high pitched, meaning it has to be played at a fast speed which is NOT what hardstyle is about.
I doubt the producer went out soley to make money out of it, he is obviously an amateur and this is a very under-developed tune, made by someone with limited and undeveloped production skills. How this kind of thing gets to be pressed onto vinyl really is beyond me. I have many friends who are making their own tunes with Reason, who havent found labels yet, but are a million miles ahead of this kind of thing.
The above goes for all hard-house influenced hardstyle, and most of the blinging black spoken vocals used in hardstyle.
Cool Pots, you've hit the nail on the head here with how I felt too.
K Front
22-12-2003, 03:25 PM
I know this track isnt the best and most people with a good ear for hardstyle would cringe at it, but, these tracks do sell, people do buy them! Its just like hard house, most of you say its gash, which it is, but people still like it and buy it.
Hard house listeners could say the same about hard trance, i dont think it really matters if producers are making music like this, if people like it and want to buy it, then whats the problem?
But on the other hand it does ruin the name once you have tracks like this being released. And also spoils other tracks in the same genre. For example, a dj could mix a top quality hardstyle track into this..
But personally i dont see a problem, if there are people who like this sort of hardstyle then they are going to produce and buy it.
Only reason I say its a problem, is because people like Simon Pitt and Soundfixation, who 8 months ago called there night the "Plymouth's first hardstyle night" are of the opinion that italians have killed hardstyle and its the new hard house. Soundfixation said that he was not going to be playing any hardstyle in his recent 6 hour set... why not??!?!!? - to me its going back on the principle of the night you started, but then again I respect that if he wants to do that then cool.
Just two poeople who I know loved hardstyle 8 months ago have changed there tune too quickly (sorry about the pun!) and I think hardstyle does have life...
yes it is a same when people are put off, but you need to stick with what you love and forget about the shite..
Hakka.
22-12-2003, 03:29 PM
yeah I agree mate. Its just sometimes I feel the need to find a way of helping the situation, if possible.
mister obedaih
22-12-2003, 05:45 PM
personly i luv extreme ~ industrial hardstyle... so if i hear this its complete shite!!!! thats one.
two when i go clubbin i hear allmost only the party sound of hardstyle the short almost scratchin sound, that real hardstyle......
but f"ckin this german (i guess) track is based on commercial elements which the producers think that they will have a hit whit!!!! damn man that a label will sign this stuff, it makes me sick and i believe when i hear this sound 1 time i go clubbin i will trow up and go lisning to classis fm, i hope that no one will vote on yes cause he will kill hardstyle :dontevengothere:
DJ Pearcey
22-12-2003, 09:06 PM
thats a fu cking joke,shit like thats giving hardstyle a bad name.
Si the Sigh
23-12-2003, 07:52 AM
Jesus Hakka! Where did you g tt track from? The depths of music hell?! :lol: Thats the reason I can't bloody stand hardstyle. Complete & utter trash. :nono:
Hakka.
23-12-2003, 08:32 AM
Jesus Hakka! Where did you g tt track from? The depths of music hell?! :lol: Thats the reason I can't bloody stand hardstyle. Complete & utter trash. :nono:
I came across it on Germantrance as the new hard style that's being sold today.
Hakka.
23-12-2003, 03:58 PM
I'm hoping Mr EG will pop in here and give his thoughts on this too soon...
DJ Pearcey
23-12-2003, 05:10 PM
Come on hakka you dont need anymore opinions its absolute tosh! you cant listen to this piece of dance music and think is it good or not,it really is poor and thats being polite. You remember pots and pans hard house well this is pots and pans hardstyle.
DJ Pearcey
23-12-2003, 05:12 PM
btw who voted its good!!!??? :dontevengothere:
Hakka.
23-12-2003, 05:18 PM
Come on hakka you dont need anymore opinions its absolute tosh! you cant listen to this piece of dance music and think is it good or not,it really is poor and thats being polite. You remember pots and pans hard house well this is pots and pans hardstyle.
I know its crap mate, but I suddenly got worried that people would think its good! I'm also interested in reason for why its crap and how we should move to avoid it. The more the better IMO, but fair play man we've covered a lot of ground already.
EmotionComplex
23-12-2003, 05:28 PM
just took a listen to it then, the sort of thing i wouldnt give 50p for in a charity shop, ridiculous "music" really. very much like the poorest hard house i kept on hearing a couple of years ago.
probobly took an hour or 2 to produce and not a great deal of thought, i dont see whay people are given the privelidge of having there stuff brought out when its clearly rubbish, im not one to put down music either i usualy respect it even if its perhaps not entirely up my street but stuff like this is a joke!
DJ Pearcey
23-12-2003, 11:33 PM
Come on hakka you dont need anymore opinions its absolute tosh! you cant listen to this piece of dance music and think is it good or not,it really is poor and thats being polite. You remember pots and pans hard house well this is pots and pans hardstyle.
I know its crap mate, but I suddenly got worried that people would think its good! I'm also interested in reason for why its crap and how we should move to avoid it. The more the better IMO, but fair play man we've covered a lot of ground already.
ok hakka,I understand your question more now, I assumed you liked it but obviously you do not. ;)
Hakka.
24-12-2003, 05:35 AM
Come on hakka you dont need anymore opinions its absolute tosh! you cant listen to this piece of dance music and think is it good or not,it really is poor and thats being polite. You remember pots and pans hard house well this is pots and pans hardstyle.
I know its crap mate, but I suddenly got worried that people would think its good! I'm also interested in reason for why its crap and how we should move to avoid it. The more the better IMO, but fair play man we've covered a lot of ground already.
ok hakka,I understand your question more now, I assumed you liked it but obviously you do not. ;)
oooh... good lord no I hate this track! ;)
shocking track, though to be fair i can imagine certain djs playing it
not for me at all!
Louk
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