A lot healthier...

[DJ Corbzy]

The scene at the moment is a lot better in my opinion, the last month or two has been really good for strong releases that warrant a place in my box.

Recently we've seen a return to form by Scot Project, numerous releases from ASYS for those who like it dark, 3 or 4 spot on releases by Mr Wavetraxx, the Drizzly Anniversary series with there own blend of Hard Trance and Techno and not to forget the massive releases from FSC.

For once we aren't completely up to our eyelids in shite hardstyle and the majority of the hard trance out there is really good.

What are other people's thought on the scene at the minute?

Corbzy = Happy Man :lol:

[Jay M]

I agree m8, theres been a load of good stuff out lately i am also fairly happy

[Yoshimitsu]

Yeh its gettin better unlike hardstyle which is a bit thin on quality lately :cry:

[Si the Sigh]

Got to say, peoples interest in hard trance is growing again. I'm glad! It also seems the hard style is getting worse. This could be hard trance's come back...COME ON!! :rambo:

[DJ Corbzy]

Yeh its gettin better unlike hardstyle which is a bit thin on quality lately :cry:

Things are looking up! :clap:

[DJ Corbzy]

Got to say, peoples interest in hard trance is growing again. I'm glad! It also seems the hard style is getting worse. This could be hard trance's come back...COME ON!! :rambo:

Amen to that Brother Si... :clap:

[Chris Hare]

not so sure my self... i was having a wicked post/chat with hakka about this the other day in the topic NOSTRUM... pretty much discribed my feelings this in there so check it out if you like mr corbz... i agree that its better at the mo but still not what it used to be.. :cry:

[DJ Corbzy]

not so sure my self... i was having a wicked post/chat with hakka about this the other day in the topic NOSTRUM... pretty much discribed my feelings this in there so check it out if you like mr corbz... i agree that its better at the mo but still not what it used to be.. :cry:

Oh yeah for sure mate, but it depends how you look at it, I'm more into my new era of hard trance now, although I love my classics from the CC/Cross&Spinout/Beneye era, things are defo a lot better recently, it's keeping my interest!

Will check that thread now mate.... ;)

[Chris Hare]

I'm glad hard style is getting worse....COME ON!! :rambo: :lol:




sorry mate couldnt resist :twisted:

[Si the Sigh]

Well, I will say sorry for not being very constructive, but I have never liked hard style. It gets on my nerves. Either 'be' nu-skool hardcore techno or hard house init! Proper boring, knocked up in 5 minutes stuff. Ok, so the hard trance aint what it used to be, but its getting better at the moment after its real low.

[Chris Hare]

er .... okay :roll: that was a joke quote though mate - you dont have to appologies cuz you didnt actually say that.. :roll:

[Yoshimitsu]

:lol: :lol:

[Si the Sigh]

Didn't I? :eh: I'll take your word for it. I ain't got a fu*kin' clue what I said. In fact, I can't even remember what I had for lunch 10 minutes ago. So, I really wouldn't know if I just said that or not! :crackup: Proper buckle...*wortneep!* :mashed:

[DJ Corbzy]

Si your off the ****ing head son! :clap:

[EmotionComplex]

I think hard trance is starting to get a bit stronger again but im still finding it hard to scrape together a decent amount of music each month compaired to what i was able to a couple of years back.

but yeah im glad that the attention hardstyle seemed to be receiving a while back has subsided a bit now allowing some more trance to appear because for a while it seemed everyone had gone hardstyle mad and i didnt want to buy anything :shock:

there needs to be some effort to get hard trance fresher though by producers and if im honest 2004 has been a dissapointment for me really, although with the summer coming im expecting some good music

[DJ Corbzy]

I think hard trance is starting to get a bit stronger again but im still finding it hard to scrape together a decent amount of music each month compaired to what i was able to a couple of years back.

but yeah im glad that the attention hardstyle seemed to be receiving a while back has subsided a bit now allowing some more trance to appear because for a while it seemed everyone had gone hardstyle mad and i didnt want to buy anything :shock:

there needs to be some effort to get hard trance fresher though by producers and if im honest 2004 has been a dissapointment for me really, although with the summer coming im expecting some good music

Good words Greg, can't wait for the summer!

[Si the Sigh]

I have to say, has anyone else noticed Mr EG has been posting a few comments in the hard trance forum lately? Could this mean he's starting to look towards trance again? :eh:

[Chris Hare]

i hope so.. i think mark will always play whatever he thinks is moving things foward... breakin boundary`s and all that.. im sure if the hard trance seen starts to flurish because of its quality not just the fact that hardstyles getting tired... that maybe he`d start looking towards it again. ;)

[Si the Sigh]

Finger's crossed! :cool:

[DJ Corbzy]

Yeah that would be good if Mark started playing Hard Trance again... :clap:

[Hakka]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

[Hakka]

Anyone heard Hypercube - Thunder? Not too bad that one... although a good example of what I mean. Good production, nice sounding tune... but not a tune that is really pushing the trance sound to a new level.

[Hakka]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

[Yoshimitsu]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

Didnt really rate their newest effort :neutral:

[DJ Corbzy]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

[DJ Corbzy]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

Didnt really rate their newest effort :neutral:

Yeah it was pretty shit!

[Si the Sigh]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

WORD CORBZ!! :clap:

[Chris Hare]

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. im sorry corbz but i totally disagree onthis one... its human nature-human spirit that creates all these wonderful artistic endeavours by trying to break out of the normal an express something incredible... mozartz / leonardo de vinci all these people used the same tools that every one else does.. ie pencil`s paper what ever... and they came up with something incredible... so the tools are irrelevent in light of the profound things you can achieve from breaking away from normal thought etc. imo

[Chris Hare]

er think i kinda went on one then... :oops: had to start going on about mozart again... damn :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. im sorry corbz but i totally disagree onthis one... its human nature-human spirit that creates all these wonderful artistic endeavours by trying to break out of the normal an express something incredible... mozartz / leonardo de vinci all these people used the same tools that every one else does.. ie pencil`s paper what ever... and they came up with something incredible... so the tools are irrelevent in light of the profound things you can achieve from breaking away from normal thought etc. imo

Yeah for sure Chris I see where your coming from, some good analagies coming out here!!

But...It depends how you look at it, a formula of a certain person doesn't have to change over a period of a couple of releases, if that producer thinks that it's still good enough then he'll use it again.

Some good indepth chat going down here Chris! :clap:

[Si the Sigh]

Not every good release breaks new ground...

[Chris Hare]

*gets lost for a sec...thinks hes in the classical music section of the forum.... goes on one....falls over* :roll:

[DJ Corbzy]

Yeah to break it down Si, that's what I meant.....

[DJ Corbzy]

*gets lost for a sec...thinks hes in the classical music section of the forum.... goes on one....falls over* :roll:

Hahaha I always fall over when I play out, I go mental and lose my balance! :lol:

[Hakka]

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

Sorry Corbz, but tough. I'm allowed my opinion and I will stick by it. You have to live it, just because you think your right doesn't mean I have to discount my belief or feelings and start thinking what you think.

I don't believe every release has to be a step forward. Haven't said that. I do believe that owning 100's of similar hard trancers that use similar synth sounds, ideas, builds up's and idea's to be frustrating as I like to hear different things and have a varied collection of tunes. My choice, my feelings. So what I'm saying is that YES, there is a good hard trance coming out at the moment, but personaly I own many tunes that sound similar and I feel that I want to hear something newer or different to satisfy my personal needs in music.

With regard to Uberdruck, I've not said that ALL his stuff is sounding the same. I said that it SOUNDS SIMILAR in that it uses the same synths and lay outs. ALSO, his tunes are very different if you look at them NOW and from the begining, but my point about Uberdruck is that at the begining his tunes were very dark and doing a sound that was very different - breaking new ground. His recent efforts have been of high quality but still using similar sounds/synth - and the style of the tunes he makes are more like what other producers are doing as opposed to being different, like productions of theirs used to be like.

Totally agree with you about Hardstyle though, and again, I desire to hear something new, not neseaccirly completely different, but something that isn't the same. With hardstyle its easier to see tracks that sound similar, well sorry I HEAR it in trance. Different riffs, but same old sort of sound. The Hard Trance sound has not moved a great deal on in the last 2 or 3 years. The producers that were responsible for pushing hard trance forward are not producing as much (or at all in some cases). I'm not saying that it every release I sit there and slate, as there are some quality tunes out there. What I am saying is that I'm a massive fan of Hard Trance, but many hard trance releases of today I'm finding easier to turn down because they aren't offering anything more than what I have or in the way of ideas or riffs. Again, this is not a slate of the tunes, its just my observation and feeling which I'd like to think I'm able to share on this forum without having to feel like I'm a cunt for.

I apprecaite what your saying Corbz with boundaries take time to be pushed, but I'm sorry Hard Trance has had a VERY long time to do it. A lot of producers are simply playing catch up to the standards SHOKK/FLUTLICT, Uberdruck, Scot Project, Marco/Jay Walker, Jon the Baptist etc... have set. And to think that some of the best hard trance tunes I've heard came out over a year ago and I'm still hearing tunes of that stanard being released now, I find that dissappointing.

I appreciate a big part of what I am saying is my own fault, my own personal "want" for hard trance is behind my more negative view for current releases. But that's because I'm being honest with you.

Y.O.M.C - In My Mind. - I love this tune. Name me a tune that is so deep and clever as that which came out in the last 6 months... if you can find one I will give you £20! :)

I'm not having a go, just trying to explaining WHY I say these things Corbz... cause I feel that your not appreciating that it takes me a lot to say these things about a genre I love.

[DJ Corbzy]

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

Sorry Corbz, but tough. I'm allowed my opinion and I will stick by it. You have to live it, just because you think your right doesn't mean I have to discount my belief or feelings and start thinking what you think.

I don't believe every release has to be a step forward. Haven't said that. I do believe that owning 100's of similar hard trancers that use similar synth sounds, ideas, builds up's and idea's to be frustrating as I like to hear different things and have a varied collection of tunes. My choice, my feelings. So what I'm saying is that YES, there is a good hard trance coming out at the moment, but personaly I own many tunes that sound similar and I feel that I want to hear something newer or different to satisfy my personal needs in music.

With regard to Uberdruck, I've not said that ALL his stuff is sounding the same. I said that it SOUNDS SIMILAR in that it uses the same synths and lay outs. ALSO, his tunes are very different if you look at them NOW and from the begining, but my point about Uberdruck is that at the begining his tunes were very dark and doing a sound that was very different - breaking new ground. His recent efforts have been of high quality but still using similar sounds/synth - and the style of the tunes he makes are more like what other producers are doing as opposed to being different, like productions of theirs used to be like.

Totally agree with you about Hardstyle though, and again, I desire to hear something new, not neseaccirly completely different, but something that isn't the same. With hardstyle its easier to see tracks that sound similar, well sorry I HEAR it in trance. Different riffs, but same old sort of sound. The Hard Trance sound has not moved a great deal on in the last 2 or 3 years. The producers that were responsible for pushing hard trance forward are not producing as much (or at all in some cases). I'm not saying that it every release I sit there and slate, as there are some quality tunes out there. What I am saying is that I'm a massive fan of Hard Trance, but many hard trance releases of today I'm finding easier to turn down because they aren't offering anything more than what I have or in the way of ideas or riffs. Again, this is not a slate of the tunes, its just my observation and feeling which I'd like to think I'm able to share on this forum without having to feel like I'm a cunt for.

I apprecaite what your saying Corbz with boundaries take time to be pushed, but I'm sorry Hard Trance has had a VERY long time to do it. A lot of producers are simply playing catch up to the standards SHOKK/FLUTLICT, Uberdruck, Scot Project, Marco/Jay Walker, Jon the Baptist etc... have set. And to think that some of the best hard trance tunes I've heard came out over a year ago and I'm still hearing tunes of that stanard being released now, I find that dissappointing.

I appreciate a big part of what I am saying is my own fault, my own personal "want" for hard trance is behind my more negative view for current releases. But that's because I'm being honest with you.

Y.O.M.C - In My Mind. - I love this tune. Name me a tune that is so deep and clever as that which came out in the last 6 months... if you can find one I will give you £20! :)

I'm not having a go, just trying to explaining WHY I say these things Corbz... cause I feel that your not appreciating that it takes me a lot to say these things about a genre I love.

Tough call Mark...I respect your views and you know that man, At no point I was saying that your opinion wasn't valid and you had to settle for mine, I was clearly stating that I was annoyed with the slating of new hard trance tunes because they don't live up to the expectations of many people, at the end of the day, you like what you like, and you don't what you don't, but I backed up my opinions with what I beleive.

Forums are for stating how you feel and expressing your feelings, I admit I slate a lot of people for not agreeing with me but that's just me.

At the end of the day, we are the ones who can go out there and make the future music and mix the future tunes, so if you truly feel the way you do, go out and do something about it.

[Si the Sigh]

On the subject of being able to do something about the scene & music, what happened about that god aweful time stretched version of that Arome track Corbz?

Valid points from you & the Hakka master general flex by the way! :clap:

[Hakka]

Sorry I was starting a bit harsh there Corbz, I was just a bit quick to snap as I have thought a lot about hard trance over the last year and I've been very frustrated that I'm not hearing stuff that has been winning me over. There are tunes out there which deserve credit, i.e Surrender - Control Me - Totally class piece of hard trance! - Fast Floor mix of DJ Cygas - Sweet Lies... class! - The Elite - Club Experience... damn well wicked.

[DJ Corbzy]

On the subject of being able to do something about the scene & music, what happened about that god aweful time stretched version of that Arome track Corbz?

Valid points from you & the Hakka master general flex by the way! :clap:

I havent heard back from Stijn yet, but I beleive his lawyers were going to work on the subject....

[Si the Sigh]

I should think so to! :evil:

[DJ Corbzy]

Sorry I was starting a bit harsh there Corbz, I was just a bit quick to snap as I have thought a lot about hard trance over the last year and I've been very frustrated that I'm not hearing stuff that has been winning me over. There are tunes out there which deserve credit, i.e Surrender - Control Me - Totally class piece of hard trance! - Fast Floor mix of DJ Cygas - Sweet Lies... class! - The Elite - Club Experience... damn well wicked.

Yeah, I'll agree with you on Surrounder - Control Me and Club Experience.

[Hakka]

Tough call Mark...I respect your views and you know that man, At no point I was saying that your opinion wasn't valid and you had to settle for mine, I was clearly stating that I was annoyed with the slating of new hard trance tunes because they don't live up to the expectations of many people, at the end of the day, you like what you like, and you don't what you don't, but I backed up my opinions with what I beleive.

Forums are for stating how you feel and expressing your feelings, I admit I slate a lot of people for not agreeing with me but that's just me.

At the end of the day, we are the ones who can go out there and make the future music and mix the future tunes, so if you truly feel the way you do, go out and do something about it.

Fair play Corbz... I like the reply, respect man.

Its not that hard trance isn't good... cause its great... its the TYPE of hard trance. I'm so very old german style sound sort of person, and other forms of trance I love, but not as much as that sound. I can't let go that german sound cause to me, its too important and too good. It's opened up my mind to so many posibilites of sound and melody that I always want to hear more. When I hear different sort of trance I love it, but not as much as liked the other.

Crazy I am...

[Si the Sigh]

Not really, I gag for the old style of darkness & light. The evil, twisted, fu*ked up sounds of a track before breaking into the most awesome trance. You ain't crazy Hakka...Your like me, nostalgic! ;)

[Chris Hare]

this is my biggest hurdel as a producer... when i write trance/hard trance i feel caged... by the boundaries that have been set before i`ve even started... hence i havent release anything for a long time... anyone who has heard any of my experiments off cd would know that there alwyas "weird"...cuz i dont wanna make the same old shit that everyones churning out- im not saying that its shit, im saying that is the same old..fair enough riffs are different ,basslines change,and arrangements differ but at the core its nothing new... i think yeah thats a fat tune but it sounds like everything else...

its not as bleak as this really because as i said in that other thread its natural... someone comes along and changes perceptions about a scene... then that revalation ventually becomes the norm because people use it as a new hall mark for there own stuff then something comes along and does it again its a cycle and were at a bit before a burst... i hope... anyway as corbz said lets MAKE things happen for a scene and the music welove!! Peace ;)

[Si the Sigh]

Word to ya gran Chris mate! :clap:

[Chris Hare]

im still in love with your gran Chris mate! :clap:when she used to take out her teeth i knew i was in for a good night...

[Chris Hare]

:lol: sorry si you`ve been the victim of a few of my unruley quote changing antics today... i just cant help myself :lol:

[Si the Sigh]

:lol: sorry si you can be the master & i'll be the slave today. i just cant help myself :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

Chris could I get a CD of you latest stuff mate?

[Chris Hare]

corbz.... bring out the gimp... but the gimps sleeping... well you better go wake him up now hadnt you bwoy

[Chris Hare]

dude when i do one that i want to give to people ill sort u out... but it wont be for a while yet... this years definately gonna be the year where i start pushing things though.. ;)

[Yoshimitsu]

Interesting to read all your points coz they're all very valid opinions. Imo it is true that hard trance is in need of something new but I still like some of the current stuff coz it doesnt necessarily have to be ground breaking to be class :cool:

[Chris Hare]

this is true yoshi... we all love trance just as much as the next man i reckon ... were just passionate about things flowing to greater dimensions...

[Yoshimitsu]

this is true yoshi... we all love trance just as much as the next man i reckon ... were just passionate about things flowing to greater dimensions...

Also I dont think that progression in a genre is something that can be forced. I think wen the time is right it'll evolve naturally as it always does. For now though I cant complain as theres loads of tunes comin out that i like especially from the likes of FSC & Gas. Although gas has been a bit thin in the last month or 2 :neutral:

[EmotionComplex]

this is true yoshi... we all love trance just as much as the next man i reckon ... were just passionate about things flowing to greater dimensions...

Also I dont think that progression in a genre is something that can be forced. I think wen the time is right it'll evolve naturally as it always does. For now though I cant complain as theres loads of tunes comin out that i like especially from the likes of FSC & Gas. Although gas has been a bit thin in the last month or 2 :neutral:

im well looking forward to gas's electro trance slant on things later this year :cool:

[Yoshimitsu]

this is true yoshi... we all love trance just as much as the next man i reckon ... were just passionate about things flowing to greater dimensions...

Also I dont think that progression in a genre is something that can be forced. I think wen the time is right it'll evolve naturally as it always does. For now though I cant complain as theres loads of tunes comin out that i like especially from the likes of FSC & Gas. Although gas has been a bit thin in the last month or 2 :neutral:

im well looking forward to gas's electro trance slant on things later this year :cool:

Dunno if i'll get into that but one of the sub-labels is continuing to make the stompin hard trance innit? I hope so :cool:

[Chris Hare]

gas are very wicked mate... i think we can expect big things from them this year... although i heard there pushing an electro sound to so many thats why there hasnt been such a rush of releases like last year... i just hope there trance doesnt suffer becuase of a shift in weight to electro... gas uk should be nice!! :twisted:

[EmotionComplex]

this is true yoshi... we all love trance just as much as the next man i reckon ... were just passionate about things flowing to greater dimensions...

Also I dont think that progression in a genre is something that can be forced. I think wen the time is right it'll evolve naturally as it always does. For now though I cant complain as theres loads of tunes comin out that i like especially from the likes of FSC & Gas. Although gas has been a bit thin in the last month or 2 :neutral:

im well looking forward to gas's electro trance slant on things later this year :cool:

Dunno if i'll get into that but one of the sub-labels is continuing to make the stompin hard trance innit? I hope so :cool:

yeah there still releasing the hard stuff on gas uk i think

[Yoshimitsu]

Hopefully they start bringin em out again soon :cry: :lol:

[Chris Hare]

that came out a bit jumbled... meant to say "i think there pushing an electro sound too, so maybe thats why...bla bla"

sorry

[Yoshimitsu]

I knew wot u meant m8 :lol: