Why all this malarky?...

AAAARRRRGHHHH!!...Whats goin on...all we seem to hear nowadays..is......"hes gone commercial"..."hes doing it for the money"...."why is he playing at slinky?"...."this is shit"...."that is shit"....FU*K ME!!.....what happened to the fu*king music?...Most of this forum is taken up by peoples concerns over clubs, money and all the other bollocks....if you know me...you'll know that i don't worry bout this shit...im more concerned about my mixing (which is sh*t), how im getting to an event, helping m8s out with events and generally helping and getting involved with the scene...why do people have to be cunts all the time....why cant we just enjoy the music we love...get fukked and have a fu*king fat ass stomp to some fu*king banging trance/techno/whatever....so lets stop slating djs, clubs, hardstyle etc etc and work together...that way everyone can enjoy the scene and the music and keep it alive for the next generation.....sorry bout this being all over the place....but deep down all i want is a fat rave and everyone there...rant over....again!!

MARK EG @ THE GROVE, SEATON, 21ST MARCH....COME ON PEOPLE...LETS FU*KING HAVE IT AND FORGET ABOUT ALL THIS BOLLOCKS MUSIC POLITICS!

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What's all this talk of peace, love and unity, Corbzy, you filthy hippy ? :lol: :lol:

hahahahaha....true tho innit!!

Yes Mate your right bout this.Us lot are the ones who live this Hard music Fu@k what anyone else thinks if its a PHAT tune play it,Lets get more fu@ked an' get rockin!!!!!

YEYNIT JYEST! (MEANS ISNT IT JUST)
AMEN... :D

i dont really slap of music an djs that much (except for djs with the name judge jules), but if ppl want to, i think its good to hear other ppls views.
i know what your saying tho, ITS ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!!

yeah opinios are well entitled to...for sure...but too many...just results in every one kicking off! :(

At the end of the day Good Music is Good Music and a Good tune is a good tune ,lets just keep loving our music
(if that makes sense)lol

yeah but unfortunately its not always that simple and for people like mark and everyone else who does this for a living its their livelyhood... so you can understand why people feel passionately about clubs, dj's, artists, promoters....

yeah but some days you just cant be dealing with it...and today i felt like a rant....but i understand what ure saying....

Corzby I'm right in thinking your young and new on the scene (like very young?!) your ideas are good, and in an ideal world it would be nice to think that would work...

But I think you'll notice how many times the mainstream has ruined the underground.

Look at Hard House during the turn on the centruary til 01/early02.

I don't know how many raves you've been to, or if you've been to a large vareity of raves. like Slinky, godsKitchen, Gatecrasher, Tidy Weekenders, frantic, logic the list goes on. But you'll find a very different vibe to what you get at lets say the legendary C.C or Volts (exeter), DA etcetc.....

at the end of the day you have to segments of ravers

one's that follow fashion - mainstream

one's that r addicted to a sound - underground


I'm sure you've heard tales about mainstream music, but the 'in' sound changes almost by the month, Mixmag tell you what the next new sound is going to be, what people are going to wear etc etc etc.... you even get adverts lineing the interior of clubs like Lynx etc etc....

well Hard trance is all getting abit cheesy for my liking at the moment, who-ever the clever c#nt was who created another genre 'Hardstyle' really has created a foot hold to ruin Hard Trance forever. What is wrong with Techno-Trance'?

anyway if your true to the underground you'll know that going to a club, full of people dressed as illuminous baby's with gobstopers in there mouth, covered head to toe in bracelets, beer boys doing the argey bargy, promoters not even enjoying the sound, just in for money bla bla bla makes for a crap night out. I don't want to rave with these people, they make a night out sketchy, they ruin a potential vibe and the music will be hard trance to everyone's liking, not your dirty little hard as nails sound that you can sometimes find now.

Im sorry but prepare to see the death of our sound 'Hard trance', it'll become what Hard House is now, okay some hard house is underground but its mostly cheesy mainstream shite, which fill the clubs from here to Bagdad....

rant over but im loosing confidence in you Mark, and if your doing this gig, it does upset me I've noticed your booking have been gradually getting bigger and bigger, anyway its up to you..

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Originally Posted by macca's

Im sorry but prepare to see the death of our sound 'Hard trance', it'll become what Hard House is now, okay some hard house is underground but its mostly cheesy mainstream shite, which fill the clubs from here to Bagdad....

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Couldn't disagree more. It wont die! The underground sound will always be underground. What will happen however is you will get the commercial interpretation of this sound being released as mainstream, and they'll get it wrong! They always do. But if the masses like it coz mixmag said so then so be it. You would never get that true hard underground sound in mainstream. Imagine dance-daddy doing an event at Slinky, I don't think so.

yeah ure right i am young m8....and have been to quite a few raves m8...addicted is definetely the word...I AM ADDICTED TO UNDEGROUND HARD TRANCE... some clubs have the right vibe and the rave is undeground orientated...undeground djs etc etc

i would hate to see this scene fall from under my feet already...i wouldnt have anything to do as most of my time is taken up by something associated with hard trance..

although being young, i like to get well involved and probably know as much as the next person/raver.....but we have to do as much as we can to keep this scene alive and underground...by this i mean getting all our fave djs to keep it underground...as mark says..he is offering it to a new bunch of people while he is playing at slinky...but do we want this new bunch of people to interested?...do we want everyone on our street to be listening to mark eg? I know i dont and i like to associate with individuals whom are into it, not every fu*cker in my town...it wouldnt feel right...PLEASE DONT BRING ALL THE TOWNIE PISSHEADS INTO OUR SCENE....we dont need them....DO WHAT YOU CAN TO KEEP IT THIS WAY FOR THIS IS THE WAY WE LOVE IT.

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Originally Posted by djcorbzy

....PLEASE DONT BRING ALL THE TOWNIE PISSHEADS INTO OUR SCENE....we dont need them....DO WHAT YOU CAN TO KEEP IT THIS WAY FOR THIS IS THE WAY WE LOVE IT.

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one reason why MiSSiON don't have an info line or flyer any of our events :p if they don't know about it, then they can't come and ruin it, i'd rather have 200 safe partiers then 600 dick shits bringing a 'tude with em.
but we are lucky in so much that we don't have to make a profit, im glad if we just cover the costs of putting the party on.

to trance-Addict, thanks to a new sub genre called hardstyle which we are beginning to see take off, not just in England even raves in America have them on there flyers... advertised as hardstyle..

I've seen them...in the eye

If i had the power to keep Hardstyle as techno-trance i would be more than happy, because thats what it is, and we are ****ing our own unique scene up by making or allowing this move.

sorry but what underground club will play mainstream music?

what I mean is you'll see a gradual change in tunage, going from what is getting cheesy now to more cheesy because the masses will love it more than the individual. your precious underground events won't excist mate...

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nope if this happens i'll be happy mate, but can you remember the Hard House scene or what happened to techno???

okay the Techno scene did survive but for a long time it was extremely ****ed, and miss intrepretated, but what do I know? I've only been raving and organising parties in the scene for 24yrs........ and we are about to see the making of it yet again... there is away of stopping it yes, but alas its to late now....

OK so you've been doing this for 24 yrs which is a hell of a lot longer than me.
You've seen it happen again and again, but you've still been doing it for 24 yrs, something must be keeping you going!
Do you remember what you did last time a sound you were into went commercial?
I also think that it was near enough impossible to keep techno trance as techno trance when the people producing it named it hardstyle themselves. What were people supposed to do?

For someone who's seen the scene change inevitably a lot over the years you might have noticed that any reaction to commercialism is harder darker and deeper, surely this is good. Your views are a little too negative in my opinion.

And I never suggested that dance-daddy would do a night a Slinky I suggested that it would never happen!!

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Originally Posted by macca's

what I mean is you'll see a gradual change in tunage, going from what is getting cheesy now to more cheesy because the masses will love it more than the individual. your precious underground events won't excist mate...

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the change is happening already.. dare i metion "rave train" on dance pollution.... and although i respect the Trance Generators emensely (sp?) my mind did wonder about the use of "wildstyle" and "back again" samples - them just remind me of old top 40 chart tracks...

You also mentioned macca's that there was a way to stop this. Do tell.

Im not gonna explain everything i write at this time of the day.... head a bit counter sized at this time of day...

about the people making the sounds calling it hardstyle

they did, but we don't need to call it hardstyle, techno-trance is how you should refer to it - please trust me otherwise you'll be on that wagon

TG-s and many other labels/dj's which keep cropping up in Italy at the moment are out to make money at the end of the day so will call it hardstyle to sell more tunage etc etc... I mean how many people at Slinky or godskitchen would say they listen to Techno-Trance? it just doesn't have the name to advertise a style which would work, so the money makers come up with a catchy name like 'hardstyle'.. also how many of these ravers do you think have even heard about 'techno-trance'???

one way you can help keep your sound underground is to keep calling it techno-trance, unless you enjoy beer boys, kappa gang's bla blas bla...

another is for a few of the intl dj's in the underground scene to keep themselves underground. because they'll be an infleunce on making this scene 'crap or commercial'...


what music did I listen to after the sound was commercialised?

well hard house was once good, couldn't get hold of any decent stuff after a while so I stop raving for a bit in fact, thought that would be it forever, but they slowed the speed of trance down in Germany, and so I got back into that after about 6 months of crap...
techno got to the point of 2 unlimited, and you got considered a gimp for listening to real techno because that was chart music...

Trance addict with all due respect I don't think you understand how good our scene is now, you probably live in the south west as well, you'll have to swap your nights in the underground for a night out on the town.. your choice...

why not just refer to it as hard dance music :?: