METROPOLIS

This is the film that inspired jeff mill's album. Its so ahead of its time its untrue. Dan bought a copy and i only saw a little bit, but its a silent film, best viewed with music played in the background.

Its about a metropolis that is run by an industrialist. Everybody conforms until a robot stirs up a workers revolution.

i watched it. it is good.
and funny.

this film is so japan it aint funny.

o yea its funny alrite.

silent movies make me laugh.

did u watch tetsuo btw?

although its very disturbing movie i can laugh to their faces.

i've heard much about this film
very matrix/bladerunner
i must check it out

don't really get the j mills connexion tho'
i think he's full of shit these days

sorry mills fans

i havent seen this film nor do i want to

i dont get the mills connection either, and his album of the same name was terrible

your right henry, he is up his own arse. hes not a techno dj anymore, hes a superstar dj, especially if his current dj fee is the amount ive heard it to b. scandalous

jeff mills saw the film and was so incaptivated by it that he decided to make a soundtrack for it: about 80 years after the film was premierred..

we have all heard of robot replica right? well that track was inspired by a scene in the film when Rotwang (an evil inventor) makes a robot replic of a lady named HEL.. its an interesting film alright and probably the only successful german made movie ever... you can see where the nazis got a lot of thier ideas: especially regarding the star of david......

also scott: to say you do not want to see the film because of the jeff mills connection is pathetic how much jeff mills is up his own arse and the quality of the album metropolis bares no reflection on how good the film will be:

errr excuse me, if u read my post not once does it say i dont want to see the film because of the connection with Jeff Mills. Does it? no! i said i dont want to see it, my reason being that it doesnt sound like my sorta film at all. i said i didnt get teh jeff mills connection, i.e at that time i didnt understand why Jeff Mills made an album of the same name/accompanying the film. u have explained that reason in ur post

Please dont call me pathetic when u havent read my reply properly

of course he`s still a techno dj for f*cks sake!!

as for the metropolis soundtrack, it`s very clever well produced music.

imo its awful, my idea of techno obviously differs alot from jeff mills. fair play i was a bit silly, he obviously IS a techno dj, but not in the sense of underground, for the music techno dj. to the best of my knowledge his current fee is close to the £10,000. this may b exagerrated, but if its true, then how can he justify that? NO DJ DESERVES THAT SORT OF MONEY

if market can pay it why not?

its the matter of flexibility for me though. if u cost that much obviously smaller venues cannot afford u and you should be able to adapt your price for them if money isnt everything you care for.

i agree 10,000 for a nights djing is insane!!!!
i mean yeah its really difficult playing records for a couple of hours
oh yeah!
and like carrying them is like really hard work man!
and being driven to the gig in a merc is like such trouble
and flying first class is such a bitch and having enough money to retire at 33(whatever) and spout constant irrelevant bullshit on your album sleeves and put out records not caring whether they sell or not 'cos you've made your money(right!) and staying in 5 star accomodation and playing the bells every night etc etc etc etc.........

does this remind you of someone?

really underground huh?

about as underground as a pint of fosters
and we all know how horrible that tastes right?

Guys I hope U don't kill me but I have 2 stan d by Mills...

He made a lot of very very good tracks... still does a very interesting job (although I don't really buy/ play much of his stuff) .. camon some of his stuff is still very good today... This guys has got character and he's music is absolutly personal.. he just created a new label which I'm sure will release a lot of amazing still (probably not really playable stuff).... I mean we have just been discussing how much music is getting all the same.. and imediatly we slag some1 who has real power 2 b heard and listen by a lot of people who still cares about doing his own thing... Fair Play...

I have talked 2 him a couple of times and I must say he is 1 really simple and down 2 earth person!! In fact he is really shy... besides I have never had any1 thank me so much 4 a couple of promos (errr that probably had somethin 2 do with the fact that He haden't heard' em still lol)....


Has 2 the fees and stuff... we must not forget that he's been around 4 a very long time .. he's donne the 1 gig a day 4 a long time... summing up if u've been fuc** by so many promoters/ managers/ labels/ etc.. (like some1 from the old days has been).. also u know u can show up and totally pack a venue, who know promoters will make a lot of $ on that... also U've got to a point in life where u prefer 2 do 5-6 gigs a month than 15-16 and collect the same $... plus u figure that if a promoter is willing 2 pay that mush he probably organize a proper event where U'll have proper technical conditions, good venue, etc...
As 2 the confort I must say that if u travel so frequently and for so many hours First class is a not an option!!

My 2 cents..

Z

has anyone heard jeff mills live in tokyo (possibly the liquid room i cant remember) i think he must of snorted 50 bags of coke then shoved biros in his ears just befoer he went on cos im buggerd if i can find on mix that stays in sync more than 10 seconds.

i mean i can understand this happening a few times in anight, but every bloody track, and then to have the cheek to release it as a cd. Plus as far as i can tell the whole thing was recorded through a mic so the sound quality is pants, i sent it back :? .

i still listen to some of his millsart cds though

i'm an out and out supporter of mills i think he is one of the most talented producers/djs on the scene and i think to bring the issue of money into the argument is just irrelevant..

jeff is responsible for so many seminal pieces of music be it mixes or productions that he deserves the respect that from the majority i believe he gets: while i would be the first to put my had up and say that im not the biggest fan of his latest work: every dog has its day vol. 4 inparticularly as a pioneer he will always get kudos from me...

to scott: i apologise i misunderstood what you ment: for my benefit could you expalin in greater detail next time...

well i must admit
i had a few beers last night and it kind of got me going
normally i'm a bit more reasonable about these things.
i have many of mills' records and i've seen him dj many times
i love the liquid rooms c.d. by the way too
for its punky enthusuasm and energy
it got very slagged when it came out.
i know the guy has worked for it and pioneered a sound.
but so have the rest of us in our own ways
its not mills' fault that the club scene is so ****ed that it only relies on big names like him to survive.
and he's got a perfect right to charge what he wants in relation to what the promoter will walk away with.

BUT

the last ime i saw him at lost i thought he was crap
i thought the night stunk in general
i though the sound system sucked ass
and i though 90% of the crowd didn't have a ****ing clue what was going on they'd just gone along becaus they though it was a really cool place to go
the whole night was very expensive and a total waste of my time
AND I'M A FAN!!! FOR ****S SAKE!
so yeah o.k. total respect to mills
but i hate getting ripped off to pay for this unrealistic game of superstardom that everyone seems obsessed with these days
so bringing in the subject of money is not irrelevant to this discussion
as long as this situation in dance music exists money will not be irrelevant.

my 5 cents back

sorry mr mills you are a pawn in a very long game

you have been a victim of corporate clubbing more than anything else from that discription tho mate...

I'm a mills fan but don't get the pseudo sicientific theory behind the music, whilst it may mean something to him it doesn't to me......however, he's made some classic tunes & I think he is an interesting dj to here play, I've heard him out many times since the mid 90's the last time being lost last year. I actually like his dj style, while he is prone to the odd mistake he pushes the boat out and ****s around with the tunes a lot, and will play the unexpected, which personally I like rather than just smooth mix all night long, he pulls off some interesting stuff....and has rocked many nights i've attended, and yes some nights he's better than others, I''ve heard him play very similar sets on accasions, then seen him again playing laodsa new stuff.....like most djs I guess?

His metropolis album i like, not as a bangin' techno album but more to chill out to something a bit more epxerimental, some of it sounds very nice indeed....however, I'vce also got some boring tunes made by him.
I think he's trying to be more experimntal these days and that some peeps don't like that, fair enoough but I think producers feel they ned to try new things sometimes???

I think it's a shame if he does charge Paul Oakenfold prices for his sets, because at the end of the day, while dj'ing is a skill/craft, it aint rocket science and I know many people who are quality dj's who do nothing other than back rooms of pubs , the bedroom, free parties and just for the love of it, no money involved just people passionate about their music, and providing people with a good night for nout, in fact often with money from their own pocket....and that's what it's all about at the end of the day....love of the music and if you lose sight of that then your integrtyt is questionable......however I understand that full time producers/djs have gotta earn a living and should get paid for their efforts so i suppose as with most things in life it's about getting the balance right . Fair play if you can make a nice crust doing it but refusing to play certain places because they won't pay you stupid prices is a bit much.

That's my pennies worth anyway