web page thingy

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08-01-2006, 03:58 PM
RedRob

web page thingy

howyas,

whats the easiest program for making web pages? for the moment i just need to get a logo up onto a main page (have the logo already) and a link to an email address. sound easy but been playin around with dreamweaver a bit and havent got a clue, gettin close but not right. i remember bout 8 or 9 years ago i did one with some netscape designer, came with the browser, no html, was like usin word or somethin, piece of cake. if anyone could tell me whats really easy to use and gives good results i would be extremely grateful. the most the site will have on it is a bit of info, a few mixes and flyers past and present. basic stuff by all accounts. i just want to be able to maintain it myself, dont wanna hafta be chasing someone around. dreamweaver seens pretty complex to me... maybe im just a bit thick... hehe

cheers

Rob :)
09-01-2006, 08:48 AM
TechMouse

Right, if you just want a logo, in the middle of a page, here is the HTML:

Code:

<html> <head> <title>My Page Title</title> </head> <body> <table width="100%" height="100%"> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> <img src="myimagefile.jpg"> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </body> </html>

Copy & paste that into Notepad, replace the title text and the image filename as appopriate.
Save as "index.html" and then use as you wish.

HTML is the most piece of piss thing you will ever learn, trust me.
09-01-2006, 09:04 PM
RedRob

nice one man. i live in constant fear of HTML. bout an hour after my post i started to get to grips with dreamweaver, might get a bit of html learnin goin though. cant do me any harm...... something i noticed about my crisis posts. its usually just venting frustration. so in future if i post with a 'please help' buzz goin on, leave it for a day or two and see if i posted agin. i usually fix the problems.

cheers

Rob :)

ill go try that now
07-02-2006, 04:03 AM
danielmarshall

HTML isn't essential for basic web site development. It can be useful if you can't figure out why Dreamweaver's done something, or for generating customised pages with PHP (this is called Dynamic HTML or DHTM for short) , but on the whole I code in raw HTML as little as possible.

Concentrate on learn Dreamweaver first, then Flash, then HTML.
07-02-2006, 07:02 PM
Barely Human

Quote:

Originally Posted by danielmarshall

HTML isn't essential for basic web site development. It can be useful if you can't figure out why Dreamweaver's done something, or for generating customised pages with PHP (this is called Dynamic HTML or DHTM for short) , but on the whole I code in raw HTML as little as possible.

Concentrate on learn Dreamweaver first, then Flash, then HTML.

Sorry man, dont take this the wrong way, but thats about the worst advice i've heard.

Yea, dreamweaver will do most things for you, (and create shit loads of spam code), but if you really want to get into seriously producing proffesional pages that can handle high trafic, high speed page generation, and cross browser compatablity, you will have to learn HTML unfortunately.

Learn the HTML, then all you really need to know is your table sizes for your images,links and content and your site will fall into place. Dreamweaver is a usefull tool, but make sure you strip all the spam code out otherwise you might end up with a very ineficiant website.

Get the HTML learnt and then get php/mysql cracked, that way you can produce very powerfull websites. Then you can concentrate on the visual part afterwards after the backbone of your site is coded in a proffesional manner.
10-02-2006, 11:11 PM
MangaFish

Quote:

Originally Posted by danielmarshall

HTML isn't essential for basic web site development. It can be useful if you can't figure out why Dreamweaver's done something, or for generating customised pages with PHP (this is called Dynamic HTML or DHTM for short) , but on the whole I code in raw HTML as little as possible.

Concentrate on learn Dreamweaver first, then Flash, then HTML.

sorry mate but i really couldnt disagree with that any more. Yes you SHOULD learn HTML. Its not essential for crappy home sites but it is the moment you start working on anything on a mid to large scale.

also DHTML has nothing to do with PHP (thats server side scripting). DHTML is the use of JavaScript, cascading styles sheets, etc. the difference is quite a massive one
13-02-2006, 12:14 PM
TechMouse

Agree with everything said here. I did wonder if it's just sour grapes because "back in my day" (jesus, I'm only 25) you had to learn HTML, but it seems others agree.

In all fairness, out of my entire skill set, HTML has proven one of the most useful.

We compile all of our documentation here using "HTML Help" so I'm using it all the time.

One further point:

Quote:

Originally Posted by danielmarshall

Concentrate on learn Dreamweaver first, then Flash, then HTML.

In my very humble opinion, Flash is the contents of Satan's bedpan.

1. It totally breaks the "open" nature of the internet.

2. It's the main culprit in the majority of the world's utterly unusable websites.

3. It's the weapon of choice for today's style-over-content amateur hour web designers.

If you're just trying to be "flash" and aren't really putting any useful information across, then Macromedia's shit-on-a-stick might be for you. Indeed, your website may rely on looking good in lieu of anything else.

If, on the other hand, you want to make useful websites then you're much better getting on and working with HTML, probably with some kind of server side scripting (PHP, JSP, ASP, whatever) to make things work.

You can do stuff that's just as impressive as Flash using Java applets or DHTML. You just have to think a bit more.
13-02-2006, 08:25 PM
MangaFish

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechMouse

Agree with everything said here. I did wonder

In my very humble opinion, Flash is the contents of Satan's bedpan.

1. It totally breaks the "open" nature of the internet.

2. It's the main culprit in the majority of the world's utterly unusable websites.

3. It's the weapon of choice for today's style-over-content amateur hour web designers.

If you're just trying to be "flash" and aren't really putting any useful information across, then Macromedia's shit-on-a-stick might be for you. Indeed, your website may rely on looking good in lieu of anything else.

If, on the other hand, you want to make useful websites then you're much better getting on and working with HTML, probably with some kind of server side scripting (PHP, JSP, ASP, whatever) to make things work.

You can do stuff that's just as impressive as Flash using Java applets or DHTML. You just have to think a bit more.

Dude i think i love you. I've been saying this for years and get told to **** off by the stylish-massive :mad:

I HATE flash based websites. I HATE them with a passion!! Grrrrrrr
14-02-2006, 09:50 AM
TechMouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by MangaFish

Dude i think i love you. I've been saying this for years and get told to **** off by the stylish-massive :mad:

I HATE flash based websites. I HATE them with a passion!! Grrrrrrr

That's the thing though, isn't it.

Self-important web designers are the only people who like it.

At the end of the day, the best web designers let the content have all of the attention. What's the world's most used website? Arguably Google. Simple, clean, fast.

Anyway, if you use Firefox, I recommend this extension. It automatically blocks all Flash content on webpages, and you can activate it with a mouse click. Speeds up browsing no end, and reasonably convenient.

Stick it to 'em.
14-02-2006, 10:17 PM
MangaFish

sweet - that extention is exactly what i've been looking for to get rid of those annouying flash advert banners!

totally agreed on google as well.