Mixmag - What Do We Learn From This?

ok... I'm sorry if anyone things I'm dragging this up but I'm curious to what advantages people think we can take from Mark's + Uberdruck's experience of dealing with them when it comes to the underground/hard trance/hardstyle scene?

Well as far as it goes, i feel that we can never trust the commercialism or press for that fact as for opinionating on our underground following and sound. It goes two ways either they hate it, or they love it and do there best to manipulate our sound into what they would say was there new sound..

The last month or so has been full of frustration and anger towards Mixmag, and various other commercial muppets.. on this forum. I could name various DJs, but i wont lower myself to there commercial, jumpin on the band wagon image, to be FAIRGIE enough, it seemed that people were worried what impact the commercial route would do our music.

But thankfully enough, mixmag have done us proud and reported on HARDSTYLE in the worse possible way.. Which gave me great pleasue.. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS

Hopefully now the forum can move on from the all the squabblin!!
ANd have happy thoughts, about flowers and Bumble Bees Yippeeeee!

LONG LIVE MARK EG
LONG LIVE HARDSTYLE
LONG LIVE THE UNDERGROUND
F**K OF MIXMAG

PEACE[/b]

this topic is really boring me to be honest, its beeen typed up, and printed up, so theres nothing more to so about it. I think everyone is being really paranoid about this article, everyone is making out that this one article is going to mean a cheesy hardtrance tune is gonna be in the charts next week and all our top producers are gonna sell out. IT WONT. Hardstyle is hardstyle you CANT make it cheesy, you gonna like it or your not and i cant see the average mincemag reader really jumping on the wagon at all.
To answer your question, the whole thing didnt surprise me - mincemag changing the words around. Did anyone really expect it to be any different? I have learnt nothing that i didnt already know.

change the record

I'm afraid you've missed my point Matt. I'm not trying to bring this back up at all but I am curious to what we do in the future when commercialism rears it's ugly head again to shine the light on the underground scene. Perhaps you require a pat on the back for knowing this already, who knows... all I was trying to do was instead of talk about it was to move it on a stage to suggest how we avoid such problems.

hakka - sorry mate, i only breifly read your original post. I am just having my 2ps worth as mark closed the last post so i couldnt reply. I think we should generally stay clear of such mass commercial media, although i can understand why mark did it in the 1st place as he has already stated. Its like any journalist, eg would you expect an american football tv commentator to fairly commentate on a english football match?

What the fcuk is Hardstyle?

To Matt... that's ok mate! - I do appreciate what a long lasting head **** ordeal it's been!

why the hell has my original post been deleted?

Am i causing trouble? hehe

yeah i agree that this subject has been over hyped a little, i was expecting a free hard style cd to be stuck on the cover or something, but to my overwhelming relief it was only a small paragraph under the head line hardcore, avv it. I think everyone on this board had visions of a hard style ministry of sound compilation cd comming out, mixed by judge jules and all of the other pink champaign boys. But this is not the case and we can all go on living our underground lives listening to the music we live for.

regards and respect to all.
dave h

I have read Mixmag this month. It is quite scary when a magazine that is the epitome of mainstream has remarketed itself aiming at the hard dance market. If you look at front cover that has "Hardcore" as its main title, then just look at the way in which it clebrated the demise of it a few years ago shows the way in which they just they shag something for all its worth and then laugh at it once it profitless to them. However I do not worry a bit what this does to the scene, because they haven't got a clue when reporting it. I find comfort in the fact that when I have heard Judge Jules play a hard Trance recored that I have had sometimes for a year or so on a small independent dutch or german label before Nukleuz licence it. The underground will always be one step ahead

>What the fcuk is Hardstyle?

Number of things

A. Italian for Hardtrance.

B. It's a pigeon hole for those that don't want to use the word trance to describe what they are playin.

C. It's a way of repackaging whats already out there.

Imo, it's the stuff that kicking about that's closer to techno or nu skool gabba than it is to trance. Stuff on 59 records is the best example.

I know people keep saying it's just rebadged hard trance but it's far enough away from what the germans are doing to warrent another name.

Through i know 99% of people won't agree with that statement so i'll return to making dinner now.

I agree Kaine, and I don't know why so many people are against hard style being born as a genre... it's just a way to more accurately describe what style your describing.

Hard Trance?

Dave 202 & Phil Green - At The End?

Or

Alien Pulse - Pyscho Conufusion?

Big differences... same name.

Put as simply as possible:

Hardstyle is hard trance without the trance.

I think that both styles played together sound wicked german and italian trance I mean.
Stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp...
hands in the air...
Stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp...
stomp stomp hands in the air!!
Some people seem to be leaving that uplifting stuff behind and going full on ITALIAN coz that's the new thing at the moment. Don't forget where trance came from!

as ive said before trance isnt trance without melody

I think that the interview looked like it went to pot... i read that article not to impressed...

what do you expect though?

there a fasion magazine, as is comercial music...