At the moment there seems to be a hell of alot of dj's playing hardstyle or claiming to be hardstyle dj's, is the uk scene big enough for this amount of dj's or will it just overkill the sound?? :eh:
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At the moment there seems to be a hell of alot of dj's playing hardstyle or claiming to be hardstyle dj's, is the uk scene big enough for this amount of dj's or will it just overkill the sound?? :eh:
tbh m8 i dunno if its just round here, but mainly at the events i here hard trance & some techno & very little hardstyle. unless of course mzone is playing. so i reckon theres still a big opening for djs, although many promoters are quite snobby and look down upon the genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
most of the people i know don't even know what hardstyle is. got fed up of being told yoji is a hradstyle dj
I find that strange as everywhere you look its hardstyle and the amount of hardstyle demo's i get is absolutely ***king crazy. Dont get me wrong I LOVE HARDSTYLE but can all the hardstyle dj's in the uk get a break?
i think its definitely getting harder to get a break, as im just finding out :doh: thats why with my demos i try to include hard trance and hardstyle to show promoters i can play a more diverse style. I wish i was into other genres as well so it could be even broader. Btw theres a demo headed your way addi ;) :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
personally i dont give a flying fcuk if the scene is over killed!!! I LOVE IT AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT!!!!!!!!!
yeah thats what i mean yosh mate, as you say you play hard trance/hardstyle but there are loads of up & coming and established dj's all playing hardstyle. To me many events dont cater for hardstyle from the start of the night to the finish and usually the peak set caters for hardstyle. so how can you fit x amount of dj's into that slot?? and how many events cater for the influx of hardstyle dj's?
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Originally Posted by ADDI
NOT ENOUGH MATE!!! :doh:
that's what i try to do, makes for more interesting sets...plus if i play too much hardstyle i get to the point that it's just noise :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by "Yoshimitsu
i see wot your sayin, but round here a lot of up & comin djs dont get a shot wotever they play, purely coz promoters like to stick to their residents i rekon. ive never seen an up & coming dj booked to play hardstyle in taunton or the surrounding area. granted, i havent been to every event, but unless they give a new dj the prime time slot (which is very unlikely), no starting hardstyle dj will get a play as its all hard trance early on & hardstyle last occasionally.
that all came out very fast so i dunno if it makes sense :lol:
i don't care if anyone is hardstyle, hard trance or whatever. a good dj is a good dj. too many ppl are not getting the break they deserve because of genre classification. **** em. :dontevengothere:
yeah i understand so what we have is
Not enuff events playing hardstyle
No events giving up&coming hardstyle dj's the chance
=Too many dj's playing hardstyle & not gotting the chance to play out anywhere!! :eh:
to be honest, all of the breaks i've had with playing out have been through knowing people and just being in the right place at the right time.
way it's always going to be i feel.
its not just genre classification though, its more that clubs dont put djs that play hard on early, so up and coming djs who do play hard never get a shot. not just hardstyle djsQuote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
yeh that about sums it up. :neutral:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
lol like i have said I LOVE HARDSTYLE but to me it seems at the moment everyone wants to be a hardstyle dj which is fair... But is there enough opportunities for for young & established hardstyle dj's to go around???
there's too many dj's full stop...not just too many dj's playing hardstyle
in a way though i suppose a dj is limiting his own opportunities by sticking to one genre. but still, why should it be harder for a dj to succeed because he plays hardstyle?Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
yeh true, but wot he means is that because newcomers get early slots, not many clubs book em cause they dont want BANG BANG at 9 o clokQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaos_Theory
good thread btw addi :clap:
yeah, very true. which is why it pays to be versitile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu
i agree, but wot if u only like that genre? i play hard trance as well which i love equally. but if i didnt like any other genre, i wouldnt start playin em just to get gigs. f uck playin music you dont like. which is why purely hardstyle djs are at a disadvantageQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaos_Theory
I mean ok some nights do bang it from 8pm just ask some of my regulars lol but yeah it seems to be hard for any dj to get a break through but in the scene we have in the uk you have to have some variation within your set or even be able to warm up for the headliners.
I run nights with guests & residents but i also have nights where its just up & coming dj's and two residents to give new blood a chance and let the ressies get the opportunity of a peak time slot! but not many ppl do that :eh:
which is really unfortunate. i mean, i was lucky because dave (subsonic) has the same approach as you. otherwise i still wouldnt have had a single dj setQuote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
but until more venues start to let hard dance promoters in or even promote inhouse hard dance nights, the uk is gonna have aload of quality dj's up&coming & established twiddling their thumbs as there just aint enough venues & events to cater for them all and give the opportunities!!
so wots the solution? by the sounds of things i may as well quit now :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
nah seriously, is there anything we can do about it?
seriously what stops the evolution of a dj?
dj learns to play in bedroom
dj plays in front of mates
dj gets the chance to play at a small venue a few times (after 1st time it shuts down)
dj plays at more venues & bigger venues (no venues/not as much)
sadly the local authorities in most districts dont want venues playing hard dance as its associated to the drug culture! So less & less venues want to be up against the councils/police.
lol i sound all doom & gloom by f*ck
but really where does it leave us???
about the only thing you can do is either start your own night, or start producing, and get noticed that way.
it's a pain in the ass but it's the way it is. entering dj comps is a good way to get noticed as well
thats a stupid attitude by the authorities though! if everyone was drugged up instead of pissed then there wouldnt be anywhere near as much trouble @ the weekend. im not glorifying drugs, but its sad that they promote alcohol and scorn(if thats the right word) drugs for which the only reason is the legality of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
lol so very true!!! but where does that leave us?? The new up & coming talent have to hit new boundries and bring something different into their sets to make them stand a distance between the other dj's in their field just to get the opportunity to play out once at least! :roll:
exactly. every dj cant play totally different coz everyones limited by their chosen genres. the only way i can see is for djs to get so good at mixing that its stupid, like every mix inch perfect every time which is near impossible. although i think its better a dj is picked for his skills, not for the music he plays as long as it fits with the theme of the nite. how can someone like me stand out that far from the rest?Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
I dont know how does MARK EG stand out from the rest???
How does MZONE stand out from the rest??? How does JAYM stand out from the rest??? lol its easy but at the same time one of the most difficult questions to answer!!
tis a hard question to answer, good dj's just stand out
i know, i mean, how big an element in this is luck? tbh a lot of djs i see live dont mix especially well or distictively but then again, is that due to lazyness now that their known?Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
anyway im goin to bed now but hopefully in the morning we'll have a few more peeps input on the matter :cool:
i think its about finding your own unique style which is very difficult in a field that there are so many dj's trying to break through.
Mark is an excellent dj and a thorough crowd entertainer.
Mzone just does his own thing and rocks big time,imho.
Jaym, well in my eyes he's a talented dj but he has a style which i cant cant describe & he always gets them up for it!!
id like to think i have my own unique style, but its not for me to judge :neutral:
lol i look forward to hearing your mix mate, ive enjoyed the others a great deal!!!
...maybe because most of it is fu*king shite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu
Si thats a bit harsh a statement!! I mean every genre has a gash element through it!!
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Originally Posted by ADDI
He sure does :love: :love:
lmao i maybe worded that wrong :oops: He is a quality dj & very versaitile!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley
Sorry mate... :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
I've still yet to hear any hardstyle I really really like TBH.
lol i see your point, i mean i hear some elements which i think **** sake wtf is that noise but then i hear a set from mick and think **** thats wicked, even get a shiver down the old spine!!
At the end of day it doesn't matter how many there are some are playing it and are utter pants. I'm going to name names, but there are few out there. Only getting bookings because they 'bring a bus'. Pah!!! :evil: Thats the type of DJs that we could do without in the scene.
Sorry meant to add that promoters sinking to those levels and putting that before the quality of djs they book >> :nono:
but as a promoter myself i know the kind of dj's you are describing but sometimes a promoter needs dj's like that to get the numbers they require to break even!! then again other dj's run nights so they can do swap deals to get a break in an other area!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rapture
I realise that being a promoter myself and if you are starting up a night I can understand how this type of arrangement happens. Its when larger scale events with a large following still do this. Someone needs to give these talented guys a break and its becoming nearly impossible. Its frustrating when you can blantantly see they are shite.Quote:
Originally Posted by ADDI
I think Mark himself hits the nail on the head in his (now legendary) IMO Interview.....
"Theres is so many DJs, so many Wannabe DJs but no-one actually, well not a lot of people are able to make it their life and its a shame right because there is a lot of talented DJs out there that dont get recognition but it only takes the one bit of luck, the one break and I was very lucky because I wrote for Eternity and they were able to get me this and from this you put your Heart and Soul into it what you do and you give your everything and then it builds and builds and builds but its the one break, the one break and its hard for everyone but you gotta have the passion, you gotta have the love for it!!"
My personal point of view is, that as a promoter you need to "hedge your bets" progress the night through from Trance and Hard Trance through to Hardstyle and Techno, the variety of DJs and styles through the night means that you will get a better attendance than if you stuck with just the one genre (ie Hardstyle) which is pidgeonholing the night a bit.... If the UK Dance Scene was a little more like Holland then we might get some Huge Hardstyle events but UK clubbers associate Hard Music with getting off their Box instead of just chilling out with a few beers whilst listening to some quality Hardstyle tunes/DJs
I think he did hit the nail on the head there for certain. :clap:
There are loads of DJs and promoters out there with not just no talent, but no love or passion for what they do. They are in it primarily for the recgonition, money or to 'make friends' :lol: (Yes I do know a few). And of course a lot with very brown tongues ;)
but half the time when you are lucky to get a break, the previso for coming back is if you do 'bring a bus' the first time roundQuote:
Originally Posted by rapture
it's happened to me on a couple of occasions