everyone should vote to keep the scene alive!!!
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everyone should vote to keep the scene alive!!!
http://www.djmag.com/top100-entry-form.php
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tbh i dont see how voting for a techno dj in such a shite popularity contest is gonna keep any scene alive.
Djmag can kiss my ringpiece.
ignorance is bliss i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by The Teknoist
well, obviously id like to know what good it would do.. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowland The Bastard
i think the more underground mags should do a "vote for best dj" thing, other than themags that tilt towards the chessier spectrum. maybe upfront should give it a go.
anyhow i have done my vote with DJmag.....techno techno techno...ya never know ;)
ok so i should elaborate i guess considering that wasnt a very nice comment so sorry for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowland The Bastard
joe house punter who reads dj mag all the time, thinks techno is shit or has never heard it, how is he gonna know about it if the media has no info on it? if you place your vote and techno artists make it, he is either gonna think **** here's something i didnt know about i might have to check it out, or unfortunatly but true, he... sorry or she might be a follower of fashion and go check out a cd, record or club thinking its the new thing either or either the labels artists and clubs will stay alive and we get what we want.... no?
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Originally Posted by fatcollective
i always vote for underground techno dj's in the dj mag top 100 coz it's always nice to see the boys beating those fancy cheesy jocks :lol:
www.thedjlist.com is wicked!!!! the best one i reckonQuote:
Originally Posted by fatcollective
i get that point ofcourse :) but making techno part of a constant wave of fads and trendy genres that keeps changing throughout and around the more mainstream of dance music in my opinion isnt going to keep the scene alive. It kills scenes if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowland The Bastard
I know hard house and the surrounding music 'artists' have been dabbling in techno for a while now but dabbling and raping are to different things. The more techno features in such jokes as the dj mag top 100 the more people are gonna want to cash in. Thus in the long run saturating the market with crap (not just music either).
This may be a pesimistic point, but i really do think its a valid point. Techno has been and is growing stronger very well on its own imo and doesnt need this kind of publicity.
Please dont label me as a narrow minded purist either because im really not in any way :)
any publicity is good publicity as the saying goes
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This may be a pesimistic point, but i really do think its a valid point. Techno has been and is growing stronger very well on its own imo and doesnt need this kind of publicity.
Please dont label me as a narrow minded purist either because im really not in any way :)[/quote]
Here in NY the techno scene (which was pretty strong a few years back) has almost completely dissapearred. Some of the biggest names can only pull about 300 people tops and techno dj's coming here are rare. Alot of the techno fans have just gotten older and are out to here more minmal stuff. There are no new fans coming into the scene here due to the falling apart of the rave scene (they only go out for the prog names or danny t or morillo). Techno is shrinking here and fast, although I dont think it will ever be totally gone. I think some media is exactly what we would need to get some new people onto techno, what do we have to be afraid of? There's already crap techno coming out now, fine this might bring more crap but it will also bring much more qualtiy.
Agreed. Those polls count for something. Ask Tiesto. Whether or not they truly reflect votes, and not cash gifts, vacations, meals, etc. is debatable though. But, **** it. I'd much rather see some artists I enjoy with a better chance at getting towards the top. It allows for them to make a bit more cash which would likely fund some new projects/artists/releases. Trickle-down Techonomics? ;) Not worried about things getting more saturated. If anything, I'd welcome that. Music of and for the people should be saturated.
ask Tiesto? he was already a major name before he started won.
As i said i can see your points (sort of).. True it does need more publicity, but the right publicity. Not shite 'this is hard techno mayhem' cheesey kind of ads all over tv. To be fair the right people wouldnt get a look in i dont think either. There'd be a couple of figure heads but the likes of Lisa Lashes n co would definatley be up there saying it was their thing n reeping benefits.
A dj poll etc is one thing but this particular one i dont think is right. The majority of people who vote are brainless mixmag gurners tbh.
There may be crap techno already out there but you dont want people that havnt heard alot of techno hearing the shite (which the majority of stuff available for them would be) and making their minds up off that. The majority of "popular culture" fixated kind of people look for their art to be handed to them, rather than actively seeking it out and discovering new music. Whats wrong with having to seek it out?
im just sort of ranting now tbh.. i DO want greater recognition for techno though, but the right kind and if you can convince me that this WILL give techno the right kind please do.. believe it or not i DO want to be convinced of this, i just cant see it.
i bet u i could fuk the top 20 in that list nae sweat so im not voting until they come correct wi some proper skillz.
Not hating on you mate, but this is the top 100 djs as voted for people who read djmag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowland The Bastard
Hands up here who reads dj mag.
Hands up who cares what dj mag readers think.
Techno is big, ugly and global enough not to need to rely upon dance magazines.
Dance music mags are for faddy drop ins who are desperate to learn whats cool, and will believe anything thats in print.
Awards like this are a pile of shit.
Techno is an attitude, not everyone will get it. That they don't doesn't degrade techno in the slightest.
Ok, dj Mag def might not be the best media outlet for techno right now, but we all sort of agree that some media will help.
When Chris Liberator got in there which was totaly awsome, alot of my prog friends automatically put him on their "dj's to see in the next year" list, not Lisa Lashes or Family Jules, but Chris. If that gets the clubs full of people wanting to here these guys (even if it was fed to them by a magazine) the club owners and promoters will take notice which will have a positive outcome for techno openers like us.
Lisa Lashes and the like will take credit for anything new, that's unavoidable, so we might as well take the benefits from the side result of that. The only way to beat them would be to have a bigger and better PR firm and for that you need big money and for big money you need big gigs, which come from media and magazines.
you make it sound so easy haha :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Orange NYC
just vote for fvck sake it wont do you any harm :crackup:
Yes, or better, ask Tiesto's PR people. They certainly seem to care about his rank on such lists? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Teknoist
Of course, assume that the results of this "poll" are honest and not a charade where the top slots were sold. My cynical side prevents me from giving such lists any credibility just because, with a publication like DJ Mag and some others, getting your name on the top of a list is something that a lot of people would pay for quite handsomely. As for what type of crowd such a list might bring out, hell, I wouldn't really care. I'm not a big fan of the techno crowd that exists now. People who are slaves to pop culture aren't all that different than people who are slaves to anti-pop culture. In the end, all they do is help command some higher booking fees and bring in some more cash. No harm in that. Besides, every now and then, you get an artist that somehow siezes on the limelight exposure and sets things in a new direction. Ya never know.
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Originally Posted by The Teknoist
HAHA, ya i know it's not that simple, but it needs to start somewhere.
From where im sitting I can honestley say I aint going to vote.
I dont own a label Im yet to have a relese and im not in the buissness side of the music(yet)so I can happily say that from my piont of veiw Techno artist in the top 20 of this poll is going to have more of a negative effect than it is positive(like I say this is from the angle of somone who searched out and found this music and makes and listen purley for myself)
Ive seen the negative effects of the popularity of trance,hardcore and hardhouse(not saying I like these genres)and cant stand the thought of some crap advert for "Dirty techno bangers volume one"or whatever coming on the tv while im wanking of to hollyoaks(not that i do of course)
Of course there are the benifits wich are huge(money and popularity being two)but to me these are two of the least importent things about what I personaly see as an artistic outlet and i thrive off the fact that the magority do not understand what some of us are doing.
But I stress again techno and music is not biuseness to me (yet) so I am onley say it how I see it myself.
One more piont on somthing that Tocsin mentioned
"Yes, or better, ask Tiesto's PR people. They certainly seem to care about his rank on such lists? Why?
I couldnt give two shits personaly why money focosed people care about a ranking in this chart cause its probably money and not the music(not a dig Tocsin my man)
yeah im saying it from a listenners view mainly also.
After reading all your posts....I love this little community of Techno freaks ;) I agree with the ideology of not giving a toss about some cheesy DJ mag.
I love this place.
well i wont be voting.
i've finally come to the conclusion that all these polls are total and utter bullshit. and at last i have the balls to say it, without fear of me feeling like i'll be percieved as a wanna-be-top-100-dj-type.
and i'll tell you why.
none of them really say who is the popular DJ in the clubs or who has the maddest diary. I mean, I spoke to one of the top 30 DJ's in that DJ poll the other day and they told me they were booked until December but the club scene is 'going down' and their diary was full of cancellations and loads of spare weekends. I look at tour/dj dates that come through to me from those DJ's with albums out (on the press releases) and some of those who are popular in that 'dj list' site have like two dates a month.
i look at my own diary and it's full until december, in fact until february 2006. chrissi tells me trying to get a date with me is like trying to get a date with a gay priest. not that i am a gay priest you understand. :)
so here lies my problem. and my issue with these polls. if these polls were a fair reflection of us in the techno scene and our diaries and our ability to rock the place, then great. but they're not. they're all to do with hype. they're all to do with those mass emails everyone gets from the 'important' pr companies. sorry but this is absolute bullshit in my eyes.
sure, promotion is great for you if you choose to do it.. but i've never once mass emailed all of you telling you to vote for me on the dj list and the top 100, even though i have your email addys. come to think about it i've never promoted this forum (well apart from a post on DJ Rush's site 5 years ago hehe)..
these polls have become the bastard son of dj promotion heaven. they don't reflect the true, real ppl in this game that are rockin the place. and that goes for me, surgeon, ruskin up to all the new school that soooo deserve to be there.
sorry to have an outburst hehehehe but i really am gettting p'ed off with seeing pppl on this chart that two months ago flooded me with emails to vote for them
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fair dos Mark. I was beginning to think you werent going to comment tbh.
I do think you'll be in there quite high though. Youve always had the 'hype' around you (not pr created either obviously) but now you have the more mainstream 'hype' around you. With bookings at Tidy etc and all that 'scene' have been lapping you up over the last couple of years. This year iv noticed considerabley though (having a girlfriend with alot of hard house clubbing mates).
Im glad you posted man :)
well good, let's get them into techno hehehe. we need it!!!
but tbh i don't care if i'm in this poll this year or any year. but i'm telling you right now i wont be. i don't care, these polls are sooo rubbish.
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anyone care for a mass email??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
what about we make up a pretend dj and all vote for him :lol:
half the people who read these polls think techno is montana, marco v, Eddie Halliwell etc etc, the other half are too zoned out on Ket to read the magazine. its a complete waste of time, and certainly will never help to keep a scene alive, thats a bizarre idea. when has any scene needed the help of a magazine poll to "stay alive"?
Do people seriously not realise that these magazines run in fashions? if its not techno one month, itl be drum and bass, or breakbeat or garage etc etc
these polls have the same people in year in, year out, its not going to change
i do agree with all the comments here on both sides (sitting on the fence i know), but if just one reader of this magazine sees a name in this list and decides to look for some of his/her sets and gets into techno, then surely its worth it.
the thing is, if people genuinely want to get into something new they'l seek it themselves, i know i do, its not hard and there are more ways to get into new artists on a daily basis as opposed to a monthly mag
oh yeah, i agree, but there may be some hardhouse loving 18 year old who buys it religiously, whos decided he wants to listen to something different for a change, doesnt know anything about techno, but decides to check some of the people out who he sees in this mag
yeah i get u danny boy, but that thought actually scares me! :lol: ;)
come on, embrace your inner dummy sucker.............................ok, maybe not
haha or make up a 'genre' like when mixmag (it burns my mouth to say that name) had a John B mix of drum and bass that had some trancey/80's synth pop synths and called it 'tance and bass' and hailed it as a whole new genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
But isn't in DJ Mag doing the vote, not Mixmag - does anyone read any properly :)
But isn't in DJ Mag doing the vote, not Mixmag - does anyone read anything properly :)
Only reason I bring it up is because, from a label/artist's perspective, money has to be part of it if you want to focus on it as a fulle time thing. I just don't vew it as black or white, nor do I see how getting someone who's work or sets I've enjoyed up on the top would be a bad thing. If you want to be heard, unfortunately, the money and the music is directly connected. Promotion isn't free. And with reader polls, to a degree, it is free (assuming they are honest and aren't taking bribes).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindful
I think they should read it twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
yes but they full under the same category really dont they.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
Infact my friend is the equipment review editor at dj mag and he gets given free stuff by the companies to review stuff well.
Oh look, another argument about DJ Mag.
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im genuinly shocked.
:nono:
myabe i shouldnt have said the last comment.. meh
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[quote="The Teknoist"][quote=Rowland The Bastard][quote=
i get that point ofcourse :) but making techno part of a constant wave of fads and trendy genres that keeps changing throughout and around the more mainstream of dance music in my opinion isnt going to keep the scene alive. It kills scenes if anything.
I know hard house and the surrounding music 'artists' have been dabbling in techno for a while now but dabbling and raping are to different things. The more techno features in such jokes as the dj mag top 100 the more people are gonna want to cash in. Thus in the long run saturating the market with crap (not just music either).
This may be a pesimistic point, but i really do think its a valid point. Techno has been and is growing stronger very well on its own imo and doesnt need this kind of publicity.
Please dont label me as a narrow minded purist either because im really not in any way :)[/quote]
you have actually got a very fare point, but i also think i have, unfortunatly as soon a money disapears from techno so will alot of artists belive me, and it isnt going strength to strength either, its dropping dramatically.
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Not hating on you mate, but this is the top 100 djs as voted for people who read djmag.
Hands up here who reads dj mag.
Hands up who cares what dj mag readers think.
Techno is big, ugly and global enough not to need to rely upon dance magazines.
Dance music mags are for faddy drop ins who are desperate to learn whats cool, and will believe anything thats in print.
Awards like this are a pile of shit.
Techno is an attitude, not everyone will get it. That they don't doesn't degrade techno in the slightest.[/quote]
this is just it though, how on earth can you say techno is growing? you have to trust me on this i guess it isnt growing its shrinking at an alarming rate, there is a load of pap out there thats why we have to reconise the good, to ween out the bad, to elaborate on agent orange, first time is was in ny state on tour, there where about 4-5000 ravers at this gig, all the shops and artists in nyc where doing incredably well, last feb, i played and the promoter was stoked cause 60 people came through the door, that saturday another promoter was even happier because 100 people turned up, now i now i have opened up a can of worms for you guys to "well your shit rowland what do you expect" and you have the right to think that, but... NONE of the techno shops are open now, not even sonic groove home of frankie bone adam x and heather hart **** off players internationally of techno.
orange is talking sense hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Agent Orange NYC
well if you buy a full page of adverts in dj or mixmag you can pretty much garrantee a two - three page write up on yourself thats true, and i have my suspitions myself that its rigged, but chris and henry got in and im 70% sure there votes wernt bought, so vote for them againQuote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
you will do if your (yets) turn to reality ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindful