Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

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17-08-2003, 01:56 AM
FORCE 5

Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

Id just like to know the big wigs opinions on this one...

Spill your guts Mark eg,Mr Cullen,adverse and all

For me i would say Promoting hardhouse alongside techno is just a big NO NO..

but some people think that by doing this you will pull a bigger crowd..this may be true BUT..is it the sort of crowd you would want..Alot of techno purists wouldnt go anywhere near a Gay Hardhouse event...just as the glowstick waving HH monkeys wouldnt attend a techno event..

so it is a possibility that you would be cutting your own throat by having these styles side by side at a club night...which may only run for 6-8hrs.

thoughts please :idea:
17-08-2003, 02:05 AM
miromiric.

i would promote commercial trance along with techno no problem as long as i put money in my pocket and screw hot chcicks and enough smack to go through the day...
17-08-2003, 02:08 AM
FORCE 5

Unfortunatly people here in New Zealand aare a little closed minded compared to the rest of the world..

Genre wars are never ending
17-08-2003, 02:10 AM
FORCE 5

Sure i would be all for it if it was at a multi day party or festival....but in a club for 6-8hrs i would not like to mix the two..
17-08-2003, 07:57 AM
Esox Lucius

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

Unfortunatly people here in New Zealand aare a little closed minded compared to the rest of the world..

Genre wars are never ending

It's like that everywhere mate.

Personally the thought of hard house getting played alongside hard house amkes me sick.
17-08-2003, 11:34 AM
wenna

at the end of the day; 'the judge won't budge'.

kiss my teeth! :wink:
17-08-2003, 11:40 AM
Esox Lucius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downwards

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

Unfortunatly people here in New Zealand aare a little closed minded compared to the rest of the world..

Genre wars are never ending

It's like that everywhere mate.

Personally the thought of hard house getting played alongside hard house amkes me sick.

that's why we need the edie button back :lol:

what i meant to say was, the thought of techno & hard house being played alongside makes me sick.
17-08-2003, 11:40 AM
Esox Lucius

F.UCK!!!!

edit button i mean
17-08-2003, 11:43 AM
wenna

i personally don't have a problem with it. as long as the promoter treats both styles equally!

9hrs of h-house and one hr of techno simply isn't good enough!
17-08-2003, 04:04 PM
DJ Corbzy

Hard Trance and Techno in the same set is ok though innit?

I tend to use some hard german techno to end a set and to break it up nicely, cos I dont like hardstyle... :)
17-08-2003, 04:13 PM
miromiric.

its not ok!
17-08-2003, 05:17 PM
wenna

this is a very good thing corbzy!

you're creating yor own sound/style of set

there are no strict rules gaurding what u can/cannot do with records.
17-08-2003, 05:26 PM
Col

Quote:

Originally Posted by wenna

this is a very good thing corbzy!

you're creating yor own sound/style of set

there are no strict rules gaurding what u can/cannot do with records.

i agree although i dont do it that often
17-08-2003, 05:28 PM
Col

Re: Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

Id just like to know the big wigs opinions on this one...

Spill your guts Mark eg,Mr Cullen,adverse and all

For me i would say Promoting hardhouse alongside techno is just a big NO NO..

but some people think that by doing this you will pull a bigger crowd..this may be true BUT..is it the sort of crowd you would want..Alot of techno purists wouldnt go anywhere near a Gay Hardhouse event...just as the glowstick waving HH monkeys wouldnt attend a techno event..

so it is a possibility that you would be cutting your own throat by having these styles side by side at a club night...which may only run for 6-8hrs.

thoughts please :idea:

i think its fine just as long the 2 styles of music are on in seperate rooms, throw them together and i dont think it would work.
17-08-2003, 05:51 PM
wenna

absoulutely- just think helter-skelter 8)
17-08-2003, 08:11 PM
EmotionComplex

"NEXT UP ON THESE F##KING WHEELS OF STEEL WE HAVE....."
17-08-2003, 09:24 PM
Esox Lucius

techno & trance mixed in the same set, sounds errrr terrible.
17-08-2003, 09:29 PM
wenna

i beg to disagree..... cold hard techno followed by delicious trance melody! (sounds like a delia recipe i know!!) mmmmmmmmm! :D
17-08-2003, 09:43 PM
Esox Lucius

keep begging :lol: :wink:

the techno that I am into would definetly not sound good with trance.
17-08-2003, 11:37 PM
miromiric.

techno&trance together - maybe funky techno definitely not The Techno!
18-08-2003, 12:19 AM
DJ Corbzy

yeah if there was a techno room and i was playing in the hard trance room i wouldnt play techno...

if your in a club that only has one room, the play some techno innit! :D
18-08-2003, 12:36 AM
Louk

you should play what the **** you like within reason

nothign wrong with hard house, hard trance, techno etc in the same set

variety is the key.

Louk
18-08-2003, 01:08 AM
DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louk

nothign wrong with hard house

how wrong you are!! :lol:
18-08-2003, 04:03 AM
Adverse

yeah.. something definitely wrong with hard house haha
18-08-2003, 12:42 PM
Louk

so I am wrong for liking some hard house tracks?

Louk
18-08-2003, 03:43 PM
davethedrummer

doesn't matter to me
just play what gets people going
and what you like.
sometimes the commercialism of hard house brings in a few people who get into techno that's not a bad thing is it?
you don't have to go if you don't like it
which is a point the commercialism of hard house would keep techno lovers away too.

hmm the jury's out
18-08-2003, 03:50 PM
Adverse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louk

so I am wrong for liking some hard house tracks?

Louk

yes.
18-08-2003, 05:11 PM
Analbumcover

Re: Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

just as the glowstick waving HH monkeys wouldnt attend a techno event..

Those glowstick waving HH monkeys get everywhere though...

http://www.pure-filth.pwp.blueyonder...thedrummer.jpg
18-08-2003, 05:13 PM
Jimfish

oh dear :lol:
18-08-2003, 05:37 PM
spiralx

Ha ha ha! :D
18-08-2003, 05:48 PM
Adverse

haha
18-08-2003, 06:53 PM
saaam

Arf!
18-08-2003, 07:34 PM
MARKEG

as far as i'm concerned trance does not mix with techno on the same set in the context of 1 techno record, 1 trance record, 1 techno record, 1 trance record...

they are two totally different styles of music. if you're going to play them in 1 set, then you have to break the set into two.

but as for doing a night that is 1/2 techno 1/2 hhouse then fine - for me there's a reason behind this - it's going to get ppl into techno.

mind you, a better senario would be to have two rooms of equal size playing their own thing.
18-08-2003, 08:58 PM
spiralx

I've heard some top sets where it started off as hard house and went into banging techno towards the end... it does work well.
19-08-2003, 12:56 AM
DJ Corbzy

Re: Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analbumcover

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

just as the glowstick waving HH monkeys wouldnt attend a techno event..

Those glowstick waving HH monkeys get everywhere though...

http://www.pure-filth.pwp.blueyonder...thedrummer.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :D :shock:
19-08-2003, 12:59 AM
DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARK EG

as far as i'm concerned trance does not mix with techno on the same set in the context of 1 techno record, 1 trance record, 1 techno record, 1 trance record...

they are two totally different styles of music. if you're going to play them in 1 set, then you have to break the set into two.

but as for doing a night that is 1/2 techno 1/2 hhouse then fine - for me there's a reason behind this - it's going to get ppl into techno.

mind you, a better senario would be to have two rooms of equal size playing their own thing.

yeah agreed mark, i'll play uplifting from the start of my set, go a bit harder, then into a bit of funky techno into harder techno then back to hard trance to finish....something like jon the b's insomnia or jay walkers - nature cos they have a nice fat kick and end the set nicely...sorry to put you through my trance talk technoers but im just saying my point...

corbz
19-08-2003, 06:53 PM
Tobe Cypher23

It works!!!!!

Been doing that for the past 3 years...but mixing it up from hard house, old skool, acid techno, hard trance, hardstyle and into hardcore/trancecore into gabba and back to hardcore....people ****ing love it if you progress things right.

My ressie Ginge can do an awesome crossover set which takes people by suprise.

**** these barriers around music and people. Raves weren't and shouldn't be about that now.

My crowd love it. :twisted:
22-08-2003, 03:06 AM
FORCE 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

doesn't matter to me
just play what gets people going
and what you like.
sometimes the commercialism of hard house brings in a few people who get into techno that's not a bad thing is it?
you don't have to go if you don't like it
which is a point the commercialism of hard house would keep techno lovers away too.

hmm the jury's out

Exactly and i dont think we want to keep the Techno heads away from your gig here by promoting you alongside hardhouse now ..do we Henry
22-08-2003, 03:08 AM
FORCE 5

HA HA HA nice pic of H corbzy i saw that one on the Pure Filth website..god did i laugh.

H you really are a good old munter arent ya...hehehehehe
22-08-2003, 08:03 AM
Si the Sigh

DAVE the Drummer in shocking glo-stik waving horror! wahahaha!! :lol: :P :lol:
22-08-2003, 11:52 AM
G-whizz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobe Cypher23

It works!!!!!

Been doing that for the past 3 years...but mixing it up from hard house, old skool, acid techno, hard trance, hardstyle and into hardcore/trancecore into gabba and back to hardcore....people **** love it if you progress things right.

My ressie Ginge can do an awesome crossover set which takes people by suprise.

**** these barriers around music and people. Raves weren't and shouldn't be about that now.

My crowd love it. :twisted:

I have to agree with ya there mate !
A few mates and me have started doing parties about a year ago and we have two rooms... main room playing anything banging ... like acidtechno techno ,acid trance ... all that sort of stuff and the second room where anything goes ... we have people playing hiphop, breaks , d&b , psytrance funky tekno etc
It s a formula that works well as long as you get it in the right order and lots of people seemed to enjoy having all the different styles to choose from and it keeps the night interesting ....... :D
22-08-2003, 01:07 PM
DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

HA HA HA nice pic of H corbzy i saw that one on the Pure Filth website..god did i laugh.

H you really are a good old munter arent ya...hehehehehe

Nah It was Analbumcover who posted the pic, I just quoted it... :wink:
22-08-2003, 02:34 PM
Tobe Cypher23

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-whizz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobe Cypher23

It works!!!!!

Been doing that for the past 3 years...but mixing it up from hard house, old skool, acid techno, hard trance, hardstyle and into hardcore/trancecore into gabba and back to hardcore....people **** love it if you progress things right.

My ressie Ginge can do an awesome crossover set which takes people by suprise.

**** these barriers around music and people. Raves weren't and shouldn't be about that now.

My crowd love it. :twisted:

I have to agree with ya there mate !
A few mates and me have started doing parties about a year ago and we have two rooms... main room playing anything banging ... like acidtechno techno ,acid trance ... all that sort of stuff and the second room where anything goes ... we have people playing hiphop, breaks , d&b , psytrance funky tekno etc
It s a formula that works well as long as you get it in the right order and lots of people seemed to enjoy having all the different styles to choose from and it keeps the night interesting ....... :D

That's been the ethos of my night for 3 years. For me one genre gets boring. I like a lot of different styles of music, I used to be blinkered and only like one style of muisc and hated everything else...judging the music even though I hadn't really heard/felt it. I've been clubbing for nearly ten years and been involved in alot of different scenes hardcore, psy-trance, goa, acid techno, hard house, drum n bass etc. So I just wanted to bring the best from each scene into one.

As for commercialism I think it necessary part of dance muisc. I have to agree with D.A.V.E. that through commercial nights it gives people access to the dance scene. Once there they will be introduced to new sounds. Like in hard house Glazby plays acid techno and introduces people to a new harder sound.

D.A.V.E. > I heard your Live PA a few months back in Leeds and it was spot on. Proper uplifting techno...reminded me of the old days when things were buzzin (Havok, Herbal Tea Party). Lost interest in acid techno cos things went to minimal/anal. I'll be intouch soon :mrgreen:
22-08-2003, 02:59 PM
Slacky

For me I predominantly mix techno \ acid but if I get a book ing at a "hard dance" night that isn't going to appreciate 2 hours of pounding techno then I've got to find a way of banging it out but not going cheesy.

Some Hard House is wicked for this, I mean you have to dig for it, granted but yeah it does work. For me the formulas

Hard House -----> Techno = COOL
Techno ------> Hard House = COOL BUT TRICKY.
Hard House + Coupe Of Techno Tracks = COOL @ Hard Dance Parties
Techno + Couple Of Hard House Tracks = SUCKS
Techno + Trance = SUCKS

As for promoting along side each other - yeah it works, what I can't stand is flyers that say

HARD TRANCE, HARD HOUSE, TECHNO ALL NIGHT!!!!!

Translated means - we have a little bit of funky techno to warm up then 1 DJ will play RAW 9 / Hydraulix 9 / Subvert 2 at some point in the night.
22-08-2003, 03:54 PM
Tobe Cypher23

Techno and hardstyle into hard trance works. Like warmdsucher etc
23-08-2003, 06:10 AM
UngratefulNinja

I dunno, personally I've been mixing sets lately that have started with precussive London stuff and then blended it out into funkier tech like the stuff Bang-On puts out which then blends seamlessly into tougher Hard Trance (Bang-On 9 Ring Ma Bell into Nick Sentience's rmx of Komodo comes to mind, the transition from one to the other is so seamless its scary). From there it usually moves between techy hard trance/house and london tech into some seriously screaming 303's which then moves into freeform, hardcore and gabba for the climax. Also oddly there's some really banging full on psy trance that mixes REALLY well with some of the stuff that's been coming out of London's hard dance scene also.

I dunno, I've found you can mix and match whatever genres you want as long as you find the right records and can make it sound good. All this talk of trance NEVER mixing into techno (or whatever genres you want to mix together) is just nonsense if ask me, there's just to much crossover in general between genres to rule out the possibility of mixing across them.
24-08-2003, 11:49 PM
DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slacky

For me I predominantly mix techno \ acid but if I get a book ing at a "hard dance" night that isn't going to appreciate 2 hours of pounding techno then I've got to find a way of banging it out but not going cheesy.

Some Hard House is wicked for this, I mean you have to dig for it, granted but yeah it does work. For me the formulas

Hard House -----> Techno = COOL
Techno ------> Hard House = COOL BUT TRICKY.
Hard House + Coupe Of Techno Tracks = COOL @ Hard Dance Parties
Techno + Couple Of Hard House Tracks = SUCKS
Techno + Trance = SUCKS

As for promoting along side each other - yeah it works, what I can't stand is flyers that say

HARD TRANCE, HARD HOUSE, TECHNO ALL NIGHT!!!!!

Translated means - we have a little bit of funky techno to warm up then 1 DJ will play RAW 9 / Hydraulix 9 / Subvert 2 at some point in the night.

trance and techno go together nicely douschbag...
28-08-2003, 11:33 PM
davethedrummer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Si the Sigh

DAVE the Drummer in shocking glo-stik waving horror! wahahaha!! :lol: :P :lol:

SOD OFF!
29-08-2003, 07:44 AM
Si the Sigh

LOL! :lol: "i'm raving im raving!" :P
31-08-2003, 12:13 AM
Willy_Wonka

Re: Promoting Hardhouse alongside Techno??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analbumcover

Quote:

Originally Posted by FORCE 5

just as the glowstick waving HH monkeys wouldnt attend a techno event..

Those glowstick waving HH monkeys get everywhere though...

http://www.pure-filth.pwp.blueyonder...thedrummer.jpg

Come on guys show some respect please. I had to step and preserve the good man's dignity...

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