http://www.discogs.com/release/9459
That is a delicious mix. The slightly dodgy mixing doesn't detur from the enjoyment at all.
I'm still trying to get some tracks I really like from this mix such as "Changes of life" as well as Advent "Bad Boy". I spoke to Advent on myspace to ask about this track. Unfortunatly he states he has no plans of repressing this in the near future which makes me sad. Both above mentioned tracks are great in that they have a real energetic 1992 vibe to them.
On the bright side, Jeff Mills repressed "Suspense" which I am extremely happy about. I was after that ever since I heard it for the first time in this mix. Unfortunatly its not a very dynamic track, the energy level drops off almost immediatly which is probably why he mixed out of it so fast. I rather wish the track which he followed it up with in this mix was part of Suspense.
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Originally Posted by 1992
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=17518
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=10706
u could get that advent lp much cheaper at ebay tho.
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Originally Posted by fac
Krikey! I think its all those good reviews. Maybe I should refrain from saying good things about the 12"s there, it just drives the price up to rediculous.
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Originally Posted by darkside
Yeah thats the release I want. Too expensive and I need a US seller as I don't have paypal.
have this one. soooooooooo timeless and everytime again a real pleasure to listen to.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkside
and the cd: gosh i love it!!! was one of my first "real techno" cds.
brilliant mix
the cut to the piano of changes of life is just hilarious
it's so out but it's so in at the same time
just pure energy all the way
i saw mills in 'ten' in waterford a couple of years back, savage night but the DJ box was so high up i couldnt trouble him for an autograph... blast!
fanboy :briggin:
dj skull 187 skillz is amazing, drifts out of time at the start hense the poor (but oh so good :) ) mixing with bad boy!!
i have every tune off this mix and they will be the only records i will keep if i sell my collection!
i must be the only person that thought this mix was overrated.
Some good moments but all in all i've heard much much better
Probably are.Quote:
Originally Posted by MangaFish
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Originally Posted by MangaFish
only going by memory of hearing it years ago. tunes were good but mixing was aweful. Remember we turned it off about half way through cos the mixing was so bad. could be drug induced memories though :laughing:
No, the mixing really is that bad.
I'm by no means anal about mixing. I couldn't care less if theres a few sloppy mixes, but then it sounds like the whole set has been randomly thrown together and not even beatmatched at that - i have to wonder what the appeal is.
Sorry guys - just my personal opinion
That mix was certainly not intended to be perfectly beatmatched, its a snapshot of a live fireworks at a techno party that was off the hook.
Many people - especially newcomer djs - failed to understand what the term "energy" in there consists of. Later on they started chasing these tracks down cause they finally understood the content. The fact that Mills can charge 5 digit number dj fees and gets a full house in 95% of his shows in the real world proves online talk wrong any time. But yeah "that guy can't mix" etc blah blah...go on.
I understand all that (always have done) - i just don't think that mix is all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by t-dj
i've heard of plenty of off the hook sets with heaps of energy without resorting high bpms. sets with bag loads of energy, progression and quality tracks and better beatmatched. Granted beatmatching isn't everything, but this particular set just doesn't tick enough boxes to make up for it short comings.
I'm by no means calling Jeff a crap DJ. He clearly isn't. I just think this mix is massively over-rated.
personally, i used to loooooove this mix when i had it ages ago. but i lost it about 7 years ago. Back then i knew the mixing was rough but it still got me jacking every time. I'd love to hear it again to see how it stands up (hopefully it's better than his exhibitionist...) but can't find the sucker anywhere. blast...
I remember hearing this years back...i think it was one of them sets you had to be there, to appreciate fully,but yeah the mixing was f*cking terrible. If you listen to the dvd he brought out where hes mixing in the shop window,the mixings pretty similar.
I love his style,concept and ideas..playing snippets of god knows how many trks in a set,but personally for me it needs to be tight.
Peeps seem to be 'too' technically correct about Mixing.. Techno's about 'not giving a F^%k' and going full force. So what if parts are out? The whole mood and feel of that mix totally overpowered any technicalities in the mixing, infact it even aded to it.
The sloppy mixing adds to the general esoteric style
This would have been worse if he was clinically precise about everything.
The urgency and energy comes from a sense of struggling to keep things under control. Its electric
There's more to djing that getting records perfectly in time...
Mills can be hit and miss. But he is right on the edge when he is working. And this is why.
It`s real seat of your pants stuff.
When he gets it right, it is truly amazing and intense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLanIfR13A
But you do have to be there.
i'd rather hear a raw, daring mix than a seamless, boring one
I never get bored of listening to Purpose makers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
most over rated mixtape ever....
Still love this to be honest.
I'd say the mixing was more frenetic than messy.
However The Exhibitionist, that's just a shambles, and extremely disappointing.
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Originally Posted by CraigLea
I know, it defies belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by drift9
Fortunately I've never bought many sloppy mixes, but this definitely stands at the top of the pile.
i havent listened to this since the days when it was released but i doo know one thing - it blew me away. if you're just into beat mixing and getting shit in time, this sucks. but the thing that made me freak over this was just the sheer chaos. an almost two fingers up to normality. every other dj was about simple 3 minute mixing but mills, well it was just revolutionary. all the tracks went together in there own way and oh so quick.
i'm sure it sounds crap now, but back in the day, it was amazing...:cool:
having already heard mills play a whole bunch of times, including his legendary set at the Lost when Basic Channel played live, I found this mixtape to be a major dissapointment.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
I loved it. Well, still do. Yeah, the mixing was untidy but was balanced out by the outstanding selection of tunes. Which matters the most to me when I listen to a set.
yeah it's really not about the mixing at all
but if you listen there are plenty of subtle moments with 2 copies where he's really got it going on but he's just not making a big deal out of it.
no really what it is, is that the tracks he plays are pretty dull on their own
and mills just brings it all to life and gets it kicking by doubling up , cutting in and out
and splicing musical phrases together in real time to create unique grooves from pretty un-dynamic records
maybe he had more technically perfect nights
but he nailed it with his sheer energetic force of will on this mix.
this was the first mix I heard which made me start listening to techno properly.......I'd never heard anything like it.....he does take a bunch of basically boring loops and make them sound exciting....I've seen him a few times and he is hit or miss but unique in his style......
100% I've said it before and i'll say it again, I am 200000% sure that mills makes mistakes on purpose, not all the time, but the mistakes are toooo regular for a DJ of his calibre to be doing that much. He's said it before that his 3 ring circus is just that he'll use the bass of one record, the middle form another and the treble from another and switch between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
for alll the haters i challenge any of them to mix and CREATE which is what he's doing, that well. I dont give a monkeys about mistakes here and there. Its the honesty, dynamism, vitality and funkiness of that performance that shines like so many others fail to do.
QFT and Word.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedticket
This CD is one of very few that makes it possible to feel like your in that room with the people, in front of those speakers. Critiqing the mixing misses the point lads.
Absolut classic that is..Listened twice a day to that when it came out..
all about the energy for me too that mix..
..curious why so many people seem to slag off Exhibitionist though - as a showcase for techno I think it's a good one - funky into hard, ok not so much variety in loops but so many people seem to slate it..is it because you're expecting another liquid rooms or?
Underwhelmed on every level.
Any chump can do that and its easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
the concept of 'trolling' is lost on this man - you're supposed to pretend to be someone else when you do it not log as yourself!!!! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidTrash
Thats my opinion and I stick by it.
Fair enough.
A bit like going to the tate modern and saying "its all bollocks, I could do that"
Its an opinion...
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Originally Posted by Jay Pace
LOL. Im not going to start a flame thread on this. There are more things deserving of my time than the merits of Jeff Mills.
I just think its all a bit emporers new clothes. Really nothing to write home about.
Any time ive bought a record of that ilk, or jeff mills tune its been a pretty uninspiring loop where you're not against the clock for a feature in the records and all he's doing in the vid is fast mixing with that kind of record which as I said, any chump can do.
As for doing things with the same record, jesus, any two identical records have phse shifting flanges and it even more likely you're going to get offbeat phrases out of them when theyre just loop tech house.
As for phasing dynamics, thats the whole point of DJ'ing is it not? Its the reason we dont just make a loop on a drum machine, turn it on and leave it.
Really nothing special. Seen as good if not better in back rooms of village halls and in my own living room when any DJ pop[ing in for a cup of tea cared to grace my decks.
No big deal, get over it.
No worries.
Some people think mondrian is just a bunch of squares (could do it with a ruler) and pollocks is just paint splats (made a mess on my floor that looked better)
Its an opinion...
Oh and by the way, if you went into the tate and looked at say a Jackson pollock and said, thats shit, I could do that you'd be talking shit. Some chump with two or three record players... really.... no big deal.
Two slightly out of phase records does interesting shit. ANy one of us here could get the same effect.
maybe i should post up some of my first mixes under old pseuodynm Bear Davros
i fukin knew it was you abusing me on banging tunes!!! :rolleyes:Quote:
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Originally Posted by rhythmtech
sorry about that!! in the past eh???:eek:
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