personally i think its prob the best brand of techno around at the moment (imo)...wud this is be an opinion you would adhere to of trotally dismiss...so i ask the question....
is there too much of it or not enuff of it?
Printable View
personally i think its prob the best brand of techno around at the moment (imo)...wud this is be an opinion you would adhere to of trotally dismiss...so i ask the question....
is there too much of it or not enuff of it?
Ask Jerome Hill...
Whats wonky techno name a few more artists
Still after all these years, I don't understand the term wonky techno?
Post some Juno links to track that you'd class as wonky please.
Wasn't this just some phrase that Jerome had written on a vinyl divider in his shop, and the phrase has been coined?
Surely, it's just techno innit?
NO. it must be catagorized for the sake of humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Si the Sigh
http://www.juno.co.uk/search/?header...any&column=allQuote:
Originally Posted by Si the Sigh
Cheers. Will check some of them out. :)
If you're after some seriously wonky electronic music (not just Techno, all sorts) then check out Jerome's online shop...
Base Level
manu kenton, cannibal cooking club, michael foreshaw
oh dear... here we go again.. Basically.. its just a silly word meaning any type of techno music that's off kilter, slightly wrong, freestyle, going its own weird direction.. or all, some or none of the above.. but what do i know.. its just a word, means something different to everyone
where's crime? ;)
pitch modulation and ketamine, to put it simply
or more indepth, evolving from a scene around brighton, spurred on by tresor and berlin.. blah blah blah ...... early 90's ...... si begg cabbage boy ...... blah blah cristian vogel ....
blah blah
20 minute guitar solo
.....
blah blah
.... ended up in rehab with his smack addicted girlfriend/lingerie model commiting suicide
ahem
sorry i tailed off there :S
ahh.. jeromes life story :laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Resistor Records
oy! hehe
lol
tis as good as other shit. But samples keep one interested
i think i have to agree with you g bo....... at the minute im really buzzin on the wonky stuff ........ and more and more of it seems to get played in my sets.......
its good also to see the reaction of the peeps on the dancefloor when you start getting all wonky on them......
I was determined to leave this thread alone ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Resistor Records
it's a shame that many self styled "wonky techno producers" don't acknowledge the above more, and much of what blatently gets described as that is way too hard, fast, and stupid sounding..
it's also a shame that many only notice something once it's nicely packaged up in a box for them, I mean, don't get me wrong, but good music is good music no?
if what some of you are saying is "isn't it great that there's loads of stuff around that doesn't sound like a stuck record with loads of fluff on the needle rammed through a compressor" then I'm with you, but please don't take my word as authority on anything ;)
Wrong, we never realised the evil we would reap in years to come, eh mate?
haha i laughed out loud when i saw this thread and immediately thought of Mark exploding with rage in his bunker studio ;)
No, I think I'm over it now, I'm amazed that a thread with the same name popped up yet again though.. the thing is to me, a lot of the stuff that myself or jerome play people wouldn't say was "wonky techno", which is why I find it pretty strange that we get described as such.. I mean jerome is the perpetrator of the term originally although he was never going round saying "I play wonky techno" as he was playing loads of different stuff, as he does now.. admittedly when it was being written on flyers for Test and Uglyfunk we might have got behind it as a fledgling scene, but the typical thing happened, same as with minimal stuff these days, loads of people tried to jump on hype, end result is a scene I personally didn't feel so comfortable being associated with when the quality of the music was falling in certain corners, and people were definitely not coming from the same influences as I was.. I mean maybe I'm getting old, but personally I find some of the stuff that gets classed as wonky sounds horrific.. it's like there was no understanding of "the funk".. it ended up like a plague in the east of germany, thus the reason why I don't enjoy playing there very much these days.... that's my take on it anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
me too...... i thought ' i hope mark hawkins doesnt see this post'.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
no, I've been on the chill, it's all good in the hood ;)
The first link off that search makes interesting reading, I made my points there really, but as I say, I've chilled on it really....
I'm not even sure I know what "wonky techno" is. I went to an uglyfunk party about 2 years ago,apparently that was wonky techno. It didn't float my boat to be honest.
yep mark.. as with any type of music, esp. techno, after a while of hearing it nonstop it'll get boring, and thats the same for any generic strand under the umbrella thats following a formula.. in my head 'wonky' could suggest anything, from old relief records to spanking new 3d!T stuff.. from DBX classic suggestive bleeps to raucus subhead records..
by the way everyone, you MUST check out jason leach from subheads label 'death to vinyl' particularly 001 and 003 (which shall be dropping in september).. for me thats the most exciting label around thats releasing new music with the sickest gurn inducing moments whilst keeing it dancefloor rave style... let me find some samples for you...
just checked that out... gotta say overall the ep aint my kinda thing but A1 is a top tune.. belter!!!
Absolutely. That's the best record I bought in the last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrong
Blistering
Ooooooh, save me a copy.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrong
And if you've still got any copies of Crash Course 4 save that too, and I'll be coming round soon.
;)
hmm.. was sure i'd posted a link.. maybe i deleted it when i edited out a longwinded prattle in my post..
to check out the death to vinyl label (especially the tracks 'big girls blouse' and 'bust rucket' go to: www.andvinyly.com click on death to vinyl records
I've also uploaded a taster from the third ep coming soon: www.dont-recordings.com/DTV03.mp3
hey technouse... yep, i have copies of the kugelbox ep. here at the distribution/drop in centre =)
3 sounds awesome.. dark as fuk!Quote:
Originally Posted by wrong
never knew i was openin up a can of worms there dudes, sorry :)
i look at the 'wonky' thing as a descriptive term for a particular array of records rather than some sort of way of life, which i doubt is the motivation behind most 'wonky' records...question im askin was.... is there too much of it, or not enuff of it, i wudnt get caught up with any particular 'buzz' genre for techno, its just nice to categorise sometimes
@ G.bo... totally wasn't having a pop there mate and you're right.. its just one of many ways to describe stuff... so anyway.. check out the death to vinyl label... what sort of stuff have you been enjoying and i might be able to point you to others you'll enjoy..
don't worry, you're not opening any "can of worms" so to speak. in answer to your question, as with any "Genre" or "Category", once it's been defined, the really good stuff can often become obscured by a lot of not so good stuff, so personally IMO I would say there's too much stuff that I don't personally like which is described as "wonky" even though I've often been described as that in the sense of a Producer/live act... then again, I would say what I do is techno/electronic, and I don't like all techno or electronic music so that probably doesn't mean much ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G-BO
One gem I would personally recommend which is probably often overlooked because it's not "wonky" is this:
http://www.discogs.com/release/297951
too much music? your having a laff!
Really good thread this... very informative:)
I remember coming across the sub-section in Dragon Discs next to Camden tube... that was where you were was it Jerome? I am a little confused as I visited Access All Areas kinda regularly during that time too..:scratch:
Was just the right description for setting a section for those tunes that were a bit wierd n that you sometimes didn't get at all...:exclaim:
I notice you guys have mentioned a few tracks to look out for... have you any other recommends, both classic and new because, as you say, it is difficult to sift and find sometimes...:cheese:
Was nice to have a quick chat at the party last Sat too there matey!:cool:
yep, i was the guy behind the counter at dragon disc (a lot of the time anyway) and nice to meet you too at the weekend..Quote:
Originally Posted by Little_Fella!
here's a list of labels you could checkout that at one time or another have hit the nail right on it's bent head .. many aren't releasing any more so you have to hunt a bit, but a tune is a tune is a tune right? ;)
horspielmusik
accelerate
Peacefrog
sativae
mosquito
tresor
force inc
serial killers haircut
chan n mike's
uglyfunk
don't
victim
crime
monox
minimalistix
shed
coin operated
accelerate
scandinavia
invisible fish
b-rave
null
djax up beats
drought
cloned vinyl
predicaments
nodles discoteque
mecurachrome
neue heimat
nasty colour
relief
dance mania
frankie
panic bridge
death to vinyl
subhead
xtras
feis
kugelbox
miditonal
spectral
early subvoice
klangnet
zinch
mutter
cross referenced with artists like:
cristian vogel
jamie lidell
neil landstrumm
subhead
paul birken
jason leach
luke's anger
dj shufflemaster
TSR
quick and smart
tobias schmidt
michael forshaw
aeox
bill youngman
paul birken
3d!T
luke's anger
mark hawkins
bizz o.d.
dave tarrida
si begg
dj mahatma
norman
daniel benevente
audion
justin berkovi
daze maxim
DBX
esther ofei
x trak
older dj rush
dj ze mig-l
like a tim
cymbol
mem & drosan
or to some it up in one record:
http://www.discogs.com/release/21253
Lidell was the bomb when he did techno, y'know, drop 2 records that were absolutely mindblowing, in the ideas, programming and productions, and then just go "right, bored of that, gonna do something else"..Quote:
Originally Posted by wrong
it's like when john clees did Fawlty towers, y'know, 2 series and that's all you're getting, so it never went sour.
Cheers for that... twill certainly keep me busy!!
I will have a good rumage around...:cool:
is there a different time signature?
There are many different time signatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by djfilthmonger
Most Techno is 4/4, though if there are odd time signatures to be found, the experimental guys are as likely as anyone.
any examples?Quote:
Originally Posted by TechMouse
definitely not enough,well there are lots of wonky techno tracks but only few pleases my ears :) >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonky_techno
Does wonky techno have a different time signature?Quote:
Originally Posted by TechMouse
Not definitively.Quote:
Originally Posted by djfilthmonger
I'd say the vast majority of it is 4/4.
Sometimes with a lot of shuffle, others not.
You get the occasional all over the shop time signature, but it's rare.
Nope. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by clubsynthetic
I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
did he work on some of the subhead tracks as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by crime
aeox all the way for me...love there punk techno vibe and their production always sounds so raw and griity just the way i like it!
Si Begg plays a lot of what I'd term wonky techno.
He engineered at least 1 to 4 or 5 I believe, possibly up to about 10, although I'm not exactly sure. As Phil Subhead (Aka DJ Sueme) put it. "He was like some quiet student kid, with me and Jason freaking him out, screaming at him, more like this, more like that"Quote:
Originally Posted by detfella
when you listen to 03 and 04 you can definitely hear a bit of Lidell in there, especially when compared to "Freakin the frame". I believe that the stuff from around this period (94-97) had a specific quality which hasn't really ever been matched.. I listen to my own stuff and believe it can't really compete to the original stuff from this era, although it's very difficult to be objective listening to your own stuff I think...
Old Dj Rush Maniac ep on Djax, sweet.
That's a universal truth if ever I heard one.Quote:
Originally Posted by crime
see, there's a classic from back in the day, that was "wonky" before the term was coined.. it all went wrong when people started trying to fit in with the "genre", to me the music started sounding too contrived.. maybe I'm repeating myself here thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by The Overfiend
Old rush was real quality though... I remember Magic Feet magazine raving about him around this time, and he wasn't that big at the time, saying "if he can spin like he produces, he's going to be massive"...
I'm currently into the kind of twisted end of minimal, there seems to be some stuff coming out right now which is reminicent of the old vogel and landstrumm stuff like the new False record on M_nus, Audion, Sleeparchive along with No-future related stuff like Vogel's "Sleep Debt" label & "Hand on the plow".
I had my phase of writing and playing harder music a few years back, but the deeper music always has the staying power, and having been originally into the kind of more minimal house smokescreen were playing years ago like relief and the chicago stuff on Djax I suppose it's natural fior me to drift back into stuff like this..
and this is the thing for me, I suppose the word Wonky can end up describing so much different stuff, in the same way that the word "techno" can mean so many different things to so many different people.. wonky house anyone?