That's how you make enemies man,Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
That's kind of really not nice bro!
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That's how you make enemies man,Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
That's kind of really not nice bro!
not at all bro, its my opinion and judging by what i hear from those guys at the moment its one i stand by
not personal at all, those i named are lovely people and their hearts are in it for sure, no ones questioning that... but anyone with ears shud agree that most the stuff coming from the german crew over the past year and lately isnt moving techno on in the slightest
there is a market for it definately, and it sells sure, but musically most of their records are nothing but loops and compression, nothing more, nothing less
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Originally Posted by eyes without a face
jesus, this comin from the man who does 'old skool detroit' trax :lol:
j/k... but if u read the whole thread scott, you'll see ive mentioned takin hte production tips on board.
ive also mentioned that Reason has guff EQ & that i'm going back to Acid after the last 3 or 4 trax (in demo form) that ive put down.
but i do think your taste overcomes empathy scott. ok, i said one of your breaks was horrible, but i would NEVER describe anyones music as you have..
Sims stuff is one loop on a theme. brilliantly done. and even though i dont play that style of techno too much these days, i still n-joi a good Killabite or Hardgroove..
and some Switchblade stuff does nothing. its just one overloaded loop. which, on its own is boring. but when welded together with a few other Kne Deep or Jackstar 12s & fx, u got sumthin.
i'm no where near makin 'music' to stand alone at the min. ive been in bands & done that for years. now i want to make dj tools for me ;)
and if others happen to dig them, good, if not, good :lol:
how have i described it? ive said its throwaway, which if u keep a neutral head on u then u will see it is (im referring to all the german stuff by the way not urs) and yes it is... i didnt say its not good in certain people's eyes, i didnt say any particular amok track was horrible did i? no thank u sir, i simply described it for what it is, loops with compression.... where's the live synth recordings? where are the intricate drum patterns?
i may enjoy doing old skool tracks mate, but its doing me more than ok at the moment, id list everything i have coming up on vinyl but i dont wanna make myself look like arrogant because im not, im opinionated yes, but who isnt.... to me the merit of a good producer lies in the stuff they do and where there stuff comes out on and who plays it...
u said u wanna make dj tools, but then go on to say ur not bothere if u never get a release??? talk about shooting urself in the foot mate, if u dont wanna get releases then why put in so much effort? especially if u have stuff worth releasing, which im 100% that u do... there is only so far u can take the "i do it for the music and myself, cos im underground" attitude before u find urself at the back of the pack and kicking urself
if people cant take a bit of criticism then techno production is not the game to be in, and im not reffering to u mate, im reffering to anyone mentioned here or in any thread at all, u have to take the rough with the smooth and if u cant then fine, dont put stuff up!
im a perfect example of someone willing to listen, when u told me what u thought of my track the other day i went away, had a hard listen, took it onboard and thought yeah i can improve that, which i did, and ive just had the track signed to a wikid label its gonna be my first solo ep, so job well done i think?
lets all just calm down here and get back to the important issues at hand, the mo fo music instead of trying to score points off one another
respect to all !
now now.. i was NEVER gonna rip on anyone for anything.. thats what my Amok 12s are for.. releasing the demons in a good way :twisted:
tbh though, i'm not doing this for money or fame. ive turned down 1 definite record deal cos the label refused to tell me what they were gonna do remix wise.
i didnt really care what they would have done, the track was a hoover b'line cheeser :lol: but the fact they wouldnt tell me.. i just said forget it.
and who knows, maybe they did rip it & make a bundle. i dont give a flying f**k. thats not why i kicked myself for years learning guitar licks & how to play drums..
same way many djs changed their records with the seasons. i cant get a techno gig in belfast for love nor money. and i know if i went & bought a load of house & cheesey Rocker style electro, id have gigs next week..
but i dont want those gigs.
i make the trax for cd decks & the day i can afford FS AND a laptop to run it :lol:
i aint attackin you scott. i just think writing off the whole Amok/Wittekind style thing is a bit.. righteous or summat. ok, its simple & heavy limiting is the key, but it doesnt make any more or less viable than anything.
no offence mate, but your stuff aint breakin any envelopes. although it is well put together techno with a more musical leaning.
those 12s (amok & kivitta & co) arent about finesse or boundry pushin. they are about energy & the instant moment. ive heard mates play that shit on a 5k rig in a tiny club & it was sooo intense. i fekkin love that amount of raw energy..
and callin them all kids.. :lol: i gotta laugh
dont get me wrong, i love Marco Carolas djin, but gimme a Wittekind any day...
at the same time, i love my deep house. Terry Francis & Get ****ed & Eddie Richards...
ive never dissed your musical on a production level. ive always said i think its rather good. hence you get signed & i dont :lol: but i wish you hadnt listened to me bout that break :oops: its your track & i shouldve said nowt.. but i cant. its a problem i have. i speak the truth before thinkin bout the implications..
but, anyways, jus want all to know there is no bad feeling or animosity or any of that sh*t.
:love:
pete
sorry..
i speak MY MIND without...
my bad :oops:
for sure mate, we've got totally different views on some things and thats fair enough completely, thats good infact!
u mentioned a record deal, well if they were not willing to tell u their plans then i wudnt of touched it with a bargepole, u did good, because they sound shady as ****, what kind of label doesnt let the artist in on what they are doing with their music? very strange, id of left it too!
i dont dismiss amok and wittekind completely at all, thats my whole point dude! their Knee Deep ep's where top draw, especially Wittekinds "headnut" ep, that was a serious ****ing record, i have this negative attitude about their music simply because everything they've done since sounds too much the same... im absolutely sick to the back teeth of going into record stores and seeing rows and rows of all this german stuff by the same producers, using the same loops, and its all sounds the SAME! even up to 1 - 2 years ago the hard techno around was top notch, really good stuff and now so soon along the timeline its turned into such watered down music, and thats quite simply because everyman and his dog jumped on the hard techno bandwagon and everyone wants to be the next Amok or Wittekind on Knee Deep and playing big gigs with Rush.... we dont need a new Amok or Wittekind because those guys are still about, and when one does appear with something new and fresh then theyl get discovered and theyl have their 15 mins of fame as it were
and i called them all kids because they are! i am myself, im only 22 and people like amok, natus etc are only 20, 21, 22 etc etc, extremely young and kids is just a term alot of people apply to people that age in the scene, because compared to the big hitters of the moment like Rush etc they are kids! its not an attack or an abusive comment, its probably what one wud call closest to slang (even tho it doesnt rhyme with owt, its just like a pet name!)
as for getting signed, well thats a case of working the hardest u can to get people to hear ur stuff... with each new track i mail literaly the hundred or so Djs/producers that i know (some vaguely, some really good friends) and if the material is good enough then someone somewhere will like it enough to put it out
all this discussion is wikid, i love it because it stems from a passion inside for music, something we all have and to display it is only a good thing
definately no bad feelings here, if anything only good!
peace
top drawer scott :clap: :clap: :clap:
btw, the kid thing was a larf.. i know they are relatively young..
i'm 31 ffs :lol:
ive missed the boat long ago :lol: thats why i'm happy jus to be still dossing bout djin & makin trax.. avoided that dayjob for such a long time now ;)
uve not missed the boat mate, not at all, keep going at it! age is irrelvant when it comes to good music, look at francois k, he's about 299 and still actively djing and producing! haha
:lol:
FK got in there well early.. i was still strummin the chords to GnRs 'Welcome To The Jungle' when he was prob celebratin 20 years of clubbing :lol:
i'll never pack it in. i n-joi it too much. and tbh, i dont know what else i would with myself :eh:
haha yeah, im still strumming those chords now!!! haha
Age is irrelevant.
I`m 30 at the end of this month, and I feel my journey is only just beginning.
my my i feel young!
Should have been strumming some angel of death :!:Quote:
Originally Posted by perpetual
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ive done me thrash faze :twisted:
complete sound.
cool groove.
thx a lot
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Originally Posted by tooltech
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even more confused now :lol:
BUT, i am workin on gettin things rite.
cheers to all who helped :clap: