Are Dj Tools Killing Techno ?

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Originally Posted by LOCKED

Techno is FAR from being killed, its very much alive !

I wish people would stop saying negative shit like this ! you are either going to the wrong place to hear it or buying the wrong records!

I hear "loopy" tunes in clubs and on vinyl that make the hairs on my neck stand on end, new and old !

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;) ditto

Arguably all vinyl is a DJ tool.

imagine if a hip hop dj played battle records back to back instead of scratching. it would be terrible. hip hop dj's seem to have a better grip on the difference between a battle record and a regular track than techno dj's do. way too many techno dj's are letting records play that simply don't stand on their own.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Isaac

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Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

FruityLoops seems designed to make techno sound like, ummm loops. Unless you really try to sound more composed.

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I agree about using it to make loops, but listen to anything by Ian Lehman...composed solely from Fruity Loops and his music definitely is not loopy...

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yeaha. it takes alot of skill to make Fruityloops not sound loopy.

the positive side of Fruityloops and Reason is that you can sound like everybody else.

the negative side of Fruityloops and Reason is that you can sound like everybody else.

just my .02

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Originally Posted by Evil G

imagine if a hip hop dj played battle records back to back instead of scratching. it would be terrible. hip hop dj's seem to have a better grip on the difference between a battle record and a regular track than techno dj's do. way too many techno dj's are letting records play that simply don't stand on their own.

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Are there many techno DJ battles round your way?

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Originally Posted by ncw

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Originally Posted by Evil G

imagine if a hip hop dj played battle records back to back instead of scratching. it would be terrible. hip hop dj's seem to have a better grip on the difference between a battle record and a regular track than techno dj's do. way too many techno dj's are letting records play that simply don't stand on their own.

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Are there many techno DJ battles round your way?

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no, but maybe there should be.

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Originally Posted by Evil G

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Originally Posted by ncw

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Originally Posted by Evil G

imagine if a hip hop dj played battle records back to back instead of scratching. it would be terrible. hip hop dj's seem to have a better grip on the difference between a battle record and a regular track than techno dj's do. way too many techno dj's are letting records play that simply don't stand on their own.

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Are there many techno DJ battles round your way?

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no, but maybe there should be.

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W0000000000000000000000000000t

competition does do wonders for motivating people to excel, you just have to be careful not to let it impact the unity aspect of the scene. friendly competition is the way. :cool:

As a techno dj i find tools(looped techno with minimal dynamic change)essential for mixing techno as they give me full controll over the pace and energy of the music.
I would say that around 75% of the records I use in a set will be tools and tend to use the more song based/structured techno at vital points of the set using them to make more of an impact or for bridging between sections.
The more looped based stuff is best for building energy and groove.
I like to dictate when there should be a change and not let the records do it for me plus i like to be in the mix most of the time I dont like standing around doing nothing I prefer bringing records in as soon as possible and leaving them in as long as needed and I feel that tools give the freedom to do this the best.

Like most people have expressed in the past couple of pages of this thread you realy have to be creative and work these records to get the best out of them by using an extra turntable,EQ,FX(not just a flanger),a sampler,some hardware whatever you can incorparate just dont stand there letting them play unless your Mark EG and your busy breaking stuff, shouting rude words at the crowd and dancing like a mad man.

I belive if you give 10 DJs the same 2 songbased/structured techno records you can garrantee at least 4 of them will come up with the same way of mixing those two records together where as with more tool based records the chances of coming up with the same mix is much less likely(this is just my opinion and not fact)

You realy need to use all sorts of techno to get the most out of it.Its there to be abused and creative with and gives you the fredom to use your imagination this is what techno is all about and what makes it stand out from the crowd IMO ;) .

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Originally Posted by ncw

Are there many techno DJ battles round your way?

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wow!!! I wish they had those in UK or if they do - where are they?

. . . er and on topic . . . no I dont think they are :lol: . . . couldnt realy answer the question as it gets me thinking - what is techno? and of the difference between the musician and the DJ - I dont want to let it bother me else I get lost worrying whether Im 'techno' or not. If Blackout Audio was Open University and I was on for a scholars degree, then Id try write a thesis.

. . . but I suppose to summarise - if you didnt have DJs (or DJ tools), techno would still be around - so in a nutshell 'no'.

a record cant kill techno :nono:

btw, wasnt insinuating that tools are killing anything..

maybe 'are dj tools stifling creativity' wouldve been a better title :lol:

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Originally Posted by Evil G

imagine if a hip hop dj played battle records back to back instead of scratching. it would be terrible. hip hop dj's seem to have a better grip on the difference between a battle record and a regular track than techno dj's do.

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This may be true maybe but one of the fundemental parts of being a hip hop dj is digging around in old records lookin for that wicked 8 bar break to manualy loop and cut up where as techno is more about playing rythm and textures to create energy and atmosphere

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Originally Posted by Evil G

way too many techno dj's are letting records play that simply don't stand on their own.

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:clap: I couldnt agree more if your going to play somthing so minimal you have to make it intresting somehow unless your playing to a room with just me in it as i can listen to the same loop for ages i love the repitition and start to hear my own changes eventualy.
But in any other case please make it intresting.

i thought records were designed 'minimally' with the intent of layering several at a time!

witness Ritchie Hawtins decks,effx,&909.

thats using minimal properly!


some techno is written so minimally that it wouldnt make good background music on an elevator.

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Originally Posted by perpetual

btw, wasnt insinuating that tools are killing anything..

maybe 'are dj tools stifling creativity' wouldve been a better title :lol:

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In that case
If your a musician yes if your a DJ no

well, i dj & write. and have been in bands since i was about 11 (31 now) so theres another twist :lol:

i dig a lot of what your sayin bout using tools stemindful. your approach to djing sounds very close to mine.. you'd rather been straight back to the groove than waiting 3 mins & letting trx play..

again, depends what you dig i guess.



as a fan of lock grooves & fx & 3rd deck or groovebox or whatever, i think things are healthy. but i know others who will say different.. though they like dn :lol:

j/k

:shock: 31 you old git only joking :lol: .
I agree things are healthy its down to the indavidual to buy/make/play what they percive to be good and be as creative as they can with it.

It's all about how you use a record

Loops are not killing techno, they are saturating the market.
The program that is used to make techno is not killing techno, it is the "Artist" that pumps out the same doo, that is killing techno.
Negativity kills techno, as does greed, ego, and spite.
Just because some one uses pencil not paint does that make the overall result anything less than a canvas painted with a brush?
You can use any program you want and make gold. I don't blame a program I blame the user. Someone who uses Fruity can very well make results that sound better than logic if you know what you are doing and have the talent to do so.

Its just a quality issue. Mills pretty much started the techno DJ tool trend with the Purposemaker series. I don't think that it has really been bettered. You could argue that functionality in this case is more important than it standing up as a piece of music.

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

greed, ego, and spite.

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Doesn't seem to have hurt a lot of the big techno DJs over the last 15 years or so.