Creative question

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Originally Posted by Basil Rush

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Originally Posted by DotMatrix

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I would say a tune should stand up on it`s own.
If it`s a 6 min loop that does nothing, then make a loopgroove and fill a record up with them.
Otherwise, do a proper tune.

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i disagree, i like a complete track, but at the same time i think dj's are alot more interesting when they play minimal loopy club tools. BRING BACK THE TECHNO CLUB TOOL!!!!

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yeah, i mean look at how utterly depressing the trance scene can be with it's all in one packaged tracks with a bit of groove (sometimes amazing but nearly always too short), overblown breakdown, big (often naff) bit, groovy bit etc.

Sometimes it's just glorious if a track goes doof waka doof waka doof waka du-doof waka and doesn't try and pretend to have some kind of message or journey or progress to something that's complete in itself ... it's just a place for your head and body to swing around in some dizzy messed up state until the dj drops a surprise fresh bassline underneath it all and you just want to screammmmmmmmmmm....

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Originally Posted by Basil Rush

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Originally Posted by DotMatrix

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I would say a tune should stand up on it`s own.
If it`s a 6 min loop that does nothing, then make a loopgroove and fill a record up with them.
Otherwise, do a proper tune.

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i disagree, i like a complete track, but at the same time i think dj's are alot more interesting when they play minimal loopy club tools. BRING BACK THE TECHNO CLUB TOOL!!!!

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yeah, i mean look at how utterly depressing the trance scene can be with it's all in one packaged tracks with a bit of groove (sometimes amazing but nearly always too short), overblown breakdown, big (often naff) bit, groovy bit etc.

Sometimes it's just glorious if a track goes doof waka doof waka doof waka du-doof waka and doesn't try and pretend to have some kind of message or journey or progress to something that's complete in itself ... it's just a place for your head and body to swing around in some dizzy messed up state until the dj drops a surprise fresh bassline underneath it all and you just want to screammmmmmmmmmm....

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To me thats what looped up minimal " dj tool" go nowhere type techno is all about and its finest quliaty.

you need both types of tracks standalone tracks and "tools" IMO(I know they're all tools)

But anyway to answer the question

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Originally Posted by AcidTrash

There been a few occaisions when I've hit some solid production goals recently but the common reponse it that "it doesn't really go anywhere" which is in my view a fair asessment. How does one make a loopy tune go somewhere?

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I would say make loads of little subtle changes to percussion ellements over 8 and 16 bar sections stabs,mellody and / pads its supprising what bringing in or taking out a hatt pattern can make to the momentem of a track.
Try playing the track very loud(thru headphones perhaps)and pissing about on your eqs live cutting bass at the time that feels right,boosting droping treble whatever try doing edits on the first beat of a 16/8/4 section(as apposed to on the last beat)as long as its live so you can get a feel.
have a good listen to Drumcode stuff Beyer,Mull,Paritsio,carrolla ect to study fofm and how these boys do it well(IMO)

Not saying its good advice but its some of the ways I personaly approach it.

Or let it develop in to a real stand alone track and stop pissing about with loops :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mindful

have a good listen to Drumcode stuff Beyer,Mull,Paritsio,carrolla ect to study fofm

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Study form not fofm :oops:

just get really smashed and c if that influences ur creativity :evil: