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18-09-2006, 05:57 PM
TechMouse

This thread makes me a sad panda.

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18-09-2006, 05:57 PM
jon connor

it should be split into catogorys anyway best techno best trance and so on then lets see the polls happy days all round and we could eventually vote for our fav techno don. ;)
18-09-2006, 06:01 PM
TechMouse

Music shouldn't be about who's best.

It should be about celebrating the amazing diversity human creativity can provide.
18-09-2006, 06:06 PM
jon connor

well exactly as i first said its all bollox hahahaha im off to slap sum fish later cheif ;)
19-09-2006, 12:45 AM
module

i dont care if Sims & Finke call round the house pleading..

STICK YOUR MIXMAG POLL...

who gives a fyling f*ck what the 'official' ppl think.. techno is declining because its not in the Mixmag poll ? really.. please.. this is almost offensive..

i cant believe SPLIT would lower themselves.. gutted
19-09-2006, 12:56 AM
module

Quote:

Originally Posted by crime

I think the whole thing is very UK angled, and by participating in this pole you are endorsing it, and perpetuating it's importance.. is techno really dying because there are no techno DJs included in the DJ Magazine top 100? I call bullshit on that, that's basically saying that people have to be told by DJ magazine which djs are good and which are not.. anyone who knows anything about music doesn't need to be told by a magazine who or what to like... I can see that it can be important to promotion and sales, but to say it's killing the techno scene because there are no techno djs in the top 100? Come on! The majority of the real cutting edge techno DJs & acts in the world will never be in the top 100 anyhow, if anyone from techno is going to be in there it's going to be the same names as there always was i.e. Mills, Hawtin, Clarke, Cox, even Sims etc, no disrespect to any of them, they are just the best know names out of a very wide style.. as I say, I think it's a very UK angled thing, as I don't see many people on the scene outside the UK really paying much more attention to it, they've probably got Groove magazine or De:Bug polls to be worried about instead..
And surely, techno was never about winning popularity contests was it??

:clap:

out-f*ckin-standing crime.. bang on.. my sentiments if only i wasnt... livid with what a stupid idea.. i cant even type here.. jesus :roll:
19-09-2006, 04:20 AM
fac

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechMouse

Music shouldn't be about who's best

but it is. have u never used sentences like "oh, thats the best record he has done so far." or "his recent stuff is lame. his older tracks are much better." or "procucer xy makes the best [insert a style of your choice] records at the moment."?
19-09-2006, 06:23 AM
Dustin Zahn

I agree with Hawkins. Also, I hate to tell you guys, but according to their agents and the fees we sometimes fork out...the likes of Ben Sims, Adam Beyer, Richie Hawtin, etc. get paid EXTREMELY well. The prices some of these techno DJs get paid reaffirms there is still strong enough demand for techno. You will see these kind of DJs on the best festival line-ups regardless of DJ mag. I honestly feel getting on these lists is just another reason to charge more money. Seeing these people on the lists won't make record sales better for anybody except for their own. Who cares if all techno DJs take the top 10 spots? All that will happen is the genre will become bastardized into a trend people follow because they're told it's cool, fresh, and exciting. OH wait. That happened, and it was called minimal. The mysterious trend with music that wasn't even that.

While there is nothing wrong with supporting your favorite DJs in this poll, you shouldn't view it as a do-or-die, let's-save-techno ordeal. The only reason you should vote in this poll is because you sincerely feel they're the best DJs all of electronic music has to offer.
19-09-2006, 10:00 AM
crime

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn

.the likes of Ben Sims, Adam Beyer, Richie Hawtin, etc. get paid EXTREMELY well. The prices some of these techno DJs get paid reaffirms there is still strong enough demand for techno. You will see these kind of DJs on the best festival line-ups regardless of DJ mag. I honestly feel getting on these lists is just another reason to charge more money.

I think it's fair enough for these DJs to ask for the money they do, after all, you're worth what promotors are willing to pay, and if the promotors were not willing to pay what they do then these people would have to charge less, I mean is anyone on here who had made a success of themselves really going to turn round and say you would play for 1000 Euro when you know full well you could take 3000? Especially when you think of the amount of money that the club (and I'm NOT talking about clubs in the UK) is making? Surely it's only fare that you get your share...
I think the importance of this list to the Split DJs has more to do with the fact that they are running a techno night in London, and it's part of the promotional strategy, fair enough, I just thought it was quite a funny connection to make, that the lack of Techno artists in this list was contributing to the death of techno.. I suppose it got us talking about them here, which is promotion in itself...
19-09-2006, 11:58 AM
TechMouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by fac

but it is. have u never used sentences like "oh, thats the best record he has done so far." or "his recent stuff is lame. his older tracks are much better." or "procucer xy makes the best [insert a style of your choice] records at the moment."?

Yes of course I've heard these kind of things, but rarely are two people in complete agreement. You cannot say, objectively speaking, that one tune is superior to another, without breaking it down into a series of technical judgements which would - I feel - essentially be losing sight of the point.

Music is many things to many people, and picking a best is impossible because there are just too many criteria and there's no accounting for taste.

Case in point: What is the best piece of music ever?

If you can answer that question then perhaps you don't really love music as much as you think.
19-09-2006, 01:36 PM
fac

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

What is the best piece of music ever?

aphex twin - on :)
19-09-2006, 02:21 PM
TechMouse

Certainly a good contender, but I'm sure I can think of a number of situations it wouldn't go down well.

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19-09-2006, 02:21 PM
TechMouse

Nice try though.
19-09-2006, 02:37 PM
fac

it would perfectly fit to every single of these situations. mentioning the track (/song) wasnt serious tho...
19-09-2006, 02:41 PM
fac

every child knows that reload - peschi is the best
19-09-2006, 03:32 PM
module

agencys ? fees ? techno in demise ???

then why did i get a mail from an agency last week proclaiming 'Sims Last Free Satruday of 06' and the prev month has seen the bidding start for NYE dates from likewise artists..

i do 40 hours for a mnmm wage while ppl like DC etc get upwards of a grand for a few hours playing records/cds.. and they need MORE coverage & representation ?

yeah.. go stick your poll..
19-09-2006, 05:32 PM
fac

Quote:

Originally Posted by module

i do 40 hours for a mnmm wage while ppl like DC etc get upwards of a grand for a few hours playing records/cds..

hehe, are u communist?
19-09-2006, 05:37 PM
TechMouse

In communist Russia, the records play YOU!
19-09-2006, 06:36 PM
Dustin Zahn

Quote:

Originally Posted by crime

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn

.the likes of Ben Sims, Adam Beyer, Richie Hawtin, etc. get paid EXTREMELY well. The prices some of these techno DJs get paid reaffirms there is still strong enough demand for techno. You will see these kind of DJs on the best festival line-ups regardless of DJ mag. I honestly feel getting on these lists is just another reason to charge more money.

I think it's fair enough for these DJs to ask for the money they do, after all, you're worth what promotors are willing to pay, and if the promotors were not willing to pay what they do then these people would have to charge less, I mean is anyone on here who had made a success of themselves really going to turn round and say you would play for 1000 Euro when you know full well you could take 3000? Especially when you think of the amount of money that the club (and I'm NOT talking about clubs in the UK) is making? Surely it's only fare that you get your share...
I think the importance of this list to the Split DJs has more to do with the fact that they are running a techno night in London, and it's part of the promotional strategy, fair enough, I just thought it was quite a funny connection to make, that the lack of Techno artists in this list was contributing to the death of techno.. I suppose it got us talking about them here, which is promotion in itself...

I think it's completely fair of them too. I think if a promoter offers up a boat load of money, a performer would be nuts not to take it. But that wasn't really my point. My point was big techno DJs will remain on festival line-ups, and they have no problem getting decent sized fees. If they were struggling that bad, they'd have to lower prices and standards of gigs. Putting these DJs on the top 100 list won't do sh!t for techno.
19-09-2006, 06:43 PM
crime

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn

I think it's completely fair of them too. I think if a promoter offers up a boat load of money, a performer would be nuts not to take it. But that wasn't really my point. My point was big techno DJs will remain on festival line-ups, and they have no problem getting decent sized fees. If they were struggling that bad, they'd have to lower prices and standards of gigs. Putting these DJs on the top 100 list won't do sh!t for techno.

well, quite...

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