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29-01-2008, 03:46 PM
FILTERZ

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Originally Posted by theledge

Doesn't hurt to broaden your horizons a bit though. Maybe not at first, but eventually higher quality, more original techno is the likely result.

here here
29-01-2008, 04:31 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by theledge

Doesn't hurt to broaden your horizons a bit though. Maybe not at first, but eventually higher quality, more original techno is the likely result.

yes im not interested in making techno, esp not the way its going with digital/mp3 etc

just want to know the very basics of music, so im gonna look at those sites, hopefully learn something.
29-01-2008, 05:18 PM
eppertheleper

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Originally Posted by theledge

Doesn't hurt to broaden your horizons a bit though. Maybe not at first, but eventually higher quality, more original techno is the likely result.

Very true. It can only help, but you'd do better to study rhythm structures than music theory if you're interested in making techno.

Since you're not, then by all means check out the software. I don't know how good it is, but I'm sure there are some decent programs out there that could help. Personally, I would recommend trying to find some classes in your area. The only problem with software is that you can't get immediate answers to your questions. Also, group learning would have to help your comprehension of this subject.
29-01-2008, 05:24 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by eppertheleper

Very true. It can only help, but you'd do better to study rhythm structures than music theory if you're interested in making techno.

Since you're not, then by all means check out the software. I don't know how good it is, but I'm sure there are some decent programs out there that could help. Personally, I would recommend trying to find some classes in your area. The only problem with software is that you can't get immediate answers to your questions. Also, group learning would have to help your comprehension of this subject.

how can you know if you are tone deaf or not dude. i've been told when i sing i am tone deaf, but i think can distinguish sounds and stuff dude.
29-01-2008, 06:09 PM
theledge

mate, being tone deaf is very rare indeed. It literally means, being unable to distinguish the pitches of two different notes... as being different at all - i think it has physical root

you are almost certainly not tone deaf

not being able to sing is nothing to do with it, i am exactly the same, can't sing for shit :laughing:
sometimes, tone deaf is used by music teachers to mean people can't sing, maybe that's where you got that from??
29-01-2008, 06:11 PM
eppertheleper

I'm afraid the only real answer is probably trial and error. There are some people who are tone deaf and others who just lack musical training, but can learn how to sing on pitch. I think the number of people who are truly tone deaf is pretty small. Yup, just found this article I remembered hearing on NPR several years ago (http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/feat...tonedeaf.html). Most tone deafness is due to physical trauma, illness, or deformity. If you don't have those, then the chances of you being truly tone deaf are pretty slim (The woman in the article was the first documented case, so there you go).

You might be able to go to an ear, nose, and throat specialist and find out, or they could point you in the right direction. Either that or a vocal instructor, but depending on the musician, some of them can be pretty snooty. If you can find a nice one to work with who isn't condescending, then that's the way to go. They should be able to tell you within a few sessions if there's hope for you or not.
29-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by eppertheleper

I'm afraid the only real answer is probably trial and error. There are some people who are tone deaf and others who just lack musical training, but can learn how to sing on pitch. I think the number of people who are truly tone deaf is pretty small. Yup, just found this article I remembered hearing on NPR several years ago (http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/feat...tonedeaf.html). Most tone deafness is due to physical trauma, illness, or deformity. If you don't have those, then the chances of you being truly tone deaf are pretty slim (The woman in the article was the first documented case, so there you go).

You might be able to go to an ear, nose, and throat specialist and find out, or they could point you in the right direction. Either that or a vocal instructor, but depending on the musician, some of them can be pretty snooty. If you can find a nice one to work with who isn't condescending, then that's the way to go. They should be able to tell you within a few sessions if there's hope for you or not.

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Unusual responses to sensory stimuli. For example, some people with Asperger syndrome may be hypersensitive to specific sounds, textures or colours. Others may be oblivious to discomfort or pain.

i have aspergers syndrome. also arguably known in Sweden as DAMP (deficits of attention, motor control and perception.)

Erm when i talk i have quite a flat monotone voice, not so much now im adult, but some people notice. and i sing in same way, and i can't dance, and i have found it difficult to learn music in any traditional kind of way (classroom based).
29-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by theledge

mate, being tone deaf is very rare indeed. It literally means, being unable to distinguish the pitches of two different notes... as being different at all - i think it has physical root

you are almost certainly not tone deaf

not being able to sing is nothing to do with it, i am exactly the same, can't sing for shit :laughing:
sometimes, tone deaf is used by music teachers to mean people can't sing, maybe that's where you got that from??

see above dude. you going to the soitiz party in notts btw?
29-01-2008, 06:40 PM
theledge

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Originally Posted by Aratron

see above dude. you going to the soitiz party in notts btw?

don't think its a soitiz one mate, i won't be there this time anyway

bit cold at this time of year too
29-01-2008, 06:42 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by theledge

don't think its a soitiz one mate, i won't be there this time anyway

bit cold at this time of year too

in march innit
30-01-2008, 08:23 AM
RDR

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yes im not interested in making techno, esp not the way its going with digital/mp3

There's so much wrong with that statement I dont know where to start...

presumably Cal you find it distasteful to have music on your hard drive as well?

:confused:
30-01-2008, 08:30 AM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by RDR

There's so much wrong with that statement I dont know where to start...

presumably Cal you find it distasteful to have music on your hard drive as well?

:confused:

lol. yes obviously i dont know what im talking about. im not denigrating your digital music. just the generation of wankers i see locally, who think that live techno is pressing the play button on that mp3 file on a laptop and passing it off as some klind of performance.
30-01-2008, 10:19 AM
TechMouse

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Originally Posted by Aratron

just the generation of wankers i see locally, who think that live techno is pressing the play button on that mp3 file on a laptop and passing it off as some klind of performance.

As opposed to the generation of aging ravers that press "start" on a Technics deck and pass it off as a live performance?
30-01-2008, 10:42 AM
MARK ANXIOUS

i stumbled upon this the other day, looks really really great. anyone else used this?

http://www.ars-nova.com/aboutpm5/index.html
30-01-2008, 10:43 AM
MARK ANXIOUS

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

As opposed to the generation of aging ravers that press "start" on a Technics deck and pass it off as a live performance?

:lol: :lol: :lol: i love that response hahahaha !!!
30-01-2008, 10:47 AM
RDR

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Originally Posted by Aratron

lol. yes obviously i dont know what im talking about. im not denigrating your digital music. just the generation of wankers i see locally, who think that live techno is pressing the play button on that mp3 file on a laptop and passing it off as some klind of performance.

Fair enough, i just find it odd that you associate techno with mp3.

And i didnt say you dont know what you are talking about cal.
30-01-2008, 10:48 AM
massplanck

I am actually glad that less stuff is making it to vinyl. Its a natural chaff separator for me. Only the best\most commited should make it to vinyl now.
30-01-2008, 11:08 AM
RDR

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Originally Posted by massplanck

I am actually glad that less stuff is making it to vinyl. Its a natural chaff separator for me. Only the best\most commited should make it to vinyl now.

Or just people who have money to pay for the production of it?
30-01-2008, 11:10 AM
TechMouse

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Originally Posted by massplanck

I am actually glad that less stuff is making it to vinyl. Its a natural chaff separator for me. Only the best\most commited should make it to vinyl now.

Should is the biggest word in the English language, plancky.
30-01-2008, 01:27 PM
Aratron

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Originally Posted by RDR

Fair enough, i just find it odd that you associate techno with mp3.

And i didnt say you dont know what you are talking about cal.

i know dude, but sometimes i really don't know what im talking about !!

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