off powder i feel fine, just have a sleep, drink some fresh orange and take a few 5htp and you will be fine
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off powder i feel fine, just have a sleep, drink some fresh orange and take a few 5htp and you will be fine
fairplay mate :doh:
i agree society doesnt give us presents. we have all been raised differently
whatever our parents/city/country were rich or not.
i have to admit people get into drugs easier in poor and disfavoured places, this is a fact. lack of hope might be a reason... i just think its kindof suicide.
but here we are on music board and we have all seen people from all social backgrounds taking drugs. moreover for having spent 3 year in paris, so that i establish friendship with wealthy ppl, i learnt from them that there are ****en loads of coke in all the aristic middle (at least here)... and these people are not poor, like most of the techno freaks who take drugs ...
so please consider that if its true bad social context can incitate peopel tkaing drugs, this is really total lame that techno people use so much drugs, coz most of them are not in bad conditions...
and taking the social background as a reason why doing drugs is even more lame and offensive to the ones who actually suffer from this.
i dont think daviec was saying all people that take drugs are like this, i think he was saying that in certain parts of scotland they seem to take more risks with drugs, i.e they take dangerous cocktails that includes huge amounts of alcohol, various illegal drugs and various legal drugs.
take a lot of vitamin c after using mdma(restores level of serotonine)
take a lot of vitamin c before using mdma(greater hit, deeper feelings)
i dont use pills anymore, but i love spokin dope. much safer and non destructive drug. In think alcohol is stronger drug than thc
cheers
there are a batch of "ducks" going around in plymouth at the moment. they are pooly stamped but they are very very nice! this may just be a completely different batch from the ones up north, but i will take this advice into consideration.
altho, after tonight, my time with tablets is over. my brain needs a rest.
Exactly. Maybe I'm not putting my point across correctly here. I'm just saying that these guys who are dying are not necessarilly ignorant. Imagine for a second what the social climate must be like for intelligent young people, who know the risks involved with what they are doing, and understand the possible consequences... and still go on to take these drugs.
My other point is that it is not necessarilly the pills alone which have killed them, although I can say with certainty that the quality of pills that can be punted in Scotland right now is awful. A simple reflection of the fact that people here will take anything. The chances are that there was much more than mdma in their system, and as Downwards pointed out I would be very surprised if they actually found traces of MDMA in the body of the young man who died. Pills here have little if any proper MDMA, and haven't done for a while.
I should point out that I haven't once referred this to techno people, or any sort of music/clubbing. The media here will always refer to those who die as "young clubbers". That could mean they occasionally went to their local ritzy club smashed out of their heads and danced about to cheesey euro-pop, but they will still be called clubbers, which is not the definition I think. The deaths of recent years rarely happened in clubs. It's almost always been people at home in a party.
One recent death showed an incredible reaction. A young man at a house party was found to be unconcious after using GHB along with alcohol and possibly various other drugs. A common reaction to GHB is to lose consiousness and slip into a coma like state. His "friends" phoned the emergency services, and then each and every last one of them fled the house. The guy died, but the autopsy showed he had not been dead when the others left the house... they could possibly have saved him.
I wonder how the media presented that one then? Well first of all he was a "young clubber", then they picked up on the fact that some people call GHB liquid ecstasy! So suddenly it was an ecstasy death, which astonished his parents, family and close friends who said "he never took drugs, it was his first time, he was experimenting". Bollocks, the whole ****ing lot.
Anyway, my points drifting again. I'm not saying all those who take drugs are from a disadvantaged social background, but the majority of those that die in Scotland are. They rarely took only ecstasy, their will almost always have been other factors. It would be interesting to note if their has ever been any death recorded which could be contributed 100% to ecstasy.
E and alcohol don't mix. This is well known. So let me suggest a scenario for you. What if...?
Well, what if mdma was the social drug of choice in society, the one everyone took, and alcohol was the underground drug of habit. The one with all the bad media surrounding it (let's remember their are many deaths every year which can be attributed to alcohol).
Re-examine the Leah Betts death in that light. She was doing what many people enjoy every weekend. MDMA, 100% legal (in this scenario) and although their can be problems it's usually with people who don't exorcise some self control, and take responsibly. Her mistake was to use the deadly club drug "alcohol". The "vodka" as this particular "brand" of alcohol is known was given to her by a friend at a party. Leah had never touched alcohol before. It was her first time, and had devastating consequences.
Do you see where I'm coming from here? Used responsibly I think MDMA is like other drugs. It's the people who abuse it and other substances through ignorance or whatever, who end up dead.
The techno people, or middle class as tioneb reffered, tend to not have such a need for escape and have made an informed choice, which I think is their right. They choose to do drugs and tend to do them responsibly. They also therefor tend not to die.
The deaths that are occuring are from people taking dangerous cocktails of alcohol, uppers, downers, and just about anything they can get their hands on.
Did you know that youths in some parts of Glasgow steal the council wheelie bins, put them under bridges and set them alight before going up to the bridge to inhgale the fumes!! And that their was a "drugs" death in Strathclyde this year where a youth, following a craze amongst youngsters, climbed a lamp post, smashed the light and tried to inhale the fumes from the gas tube in the mistaken thought that they would get him high. He slipped and fell to his death on the pavement below.
As I've said, they'll do anything for a buzz here. That includes risking death. :roll:
same here, I would rather have a smoke than do anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by StoQ
ive read everything quite fast so i might be wrong, but u seem to imply that people who are conscious about drugs dangers do not die from them ???? that only the peopel tkaing everything they can eat die ???
Every day there are dying people who have "responsably" taken loads of alhohol / drugs or who have "responsably" smoked cigarette. I guess the same amount of "responsible" people die from drugs eh ?
Imo actaully hard drugs (xtc, ghb, speed, coke etc) can kill in one shot, even in the first, and taken only once in life ... You see what i mean ? Im sure one "bad" xtc might kill me if i take only one in my life as i have never tried. That's why i dont try.
This kind of thing will never happen if somebody somke one joint or drink a feww glasses, even when doing for first time in life (i consider these people do not drive afte rthis).
So my point is that hard drugs have can unconditionnally kill you becasue you dunno whats inside, and dont talk about trust, how can you trust somebody doing something illegal ?
PS :Im not talking about addiction which is another phenomenon in which we also could include alcohol , weed and cigarette which become as dangerous as drugs mentionned above
i dont know how you can say that you cant trust someone doing something illegal, i would say most people on here buy things from friends and in friends i mean real friends, just doing each other favours, so these people can be trusted 100%, also most people i know now have testing kits.
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Originally Posted by Buttman
I'm always paranoid about dieing from E's, so I always do 'em in quaters (call me a pussy!), but who cares! You come up gradually, which is good for me... Sometimes I'll get a funny reacion off a quarter and not take the rest... Simple as that.
Yeah I don't bother with pills any more - Still, got a lot of great memories from my ecstacy days! Wouldn't take them back for anything! Best times of my life - Certainly wouldn't say I was at a low point - I used to wake up every morning feeling amazing!
Hehe, I remember one of the most incredible minimal acid sets from Mark EG himself actually, back at Helter Skelter around '94 - One of my first E experiences! Ended up buying the tape pack and making a GCSE project of a music video to accompany about 12 minutes of it! Ahh, happy days...
Bah, acid is much better than pills anyway for going out and losing it to techno ;)
the term 'russian roulette' springs to mind!
E is for pansies. acid is for the tough guyz!
it's not a macho contestQuote:
Originally Posted by miromiric
ACID CRUSTY ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by miromiric
All my best parties/raves have been on acid - Without a doubt.
Only problem with acid is if something dark happens to you while you're on it, it gets permenantly lodged in your subconsious - Like when you're under deep hypnosis...
Would only do it at a decent free party - Never at a club..
Weed's the only drug for me these days...
fuck acid or e, give me a big fat line anyday ;)
Too much acid and you'l go insane no matter how much of a tough guy you are! :nono:Quote:
E is for pansies. acid is for the tough guyz!