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Originally Posted by morbid
ahhhh wgere would we be with out techno,techno, techno, techno.Quote:
Originally Posted by morbid
On a serious note - i am new to techno too (laught at my innocence - but i always thought techno was invented in germany) and found it interesting to read about the begining of techno. so what i want to know is apart from detroit where are the other major players in the begining of techno?
early kraut rock like can and faust.Quote:
Originally Posted by josephjobling
early european industrial like front242 and nietzer ebb
some early disco.. donna summers "i feel love" being quite notable for its bassline.
you could take it as far back as the invention of rock'n'roll really.
detroit certainly is not the beginning of techno.. its more like one of the many beginnings of techno.
Among many othersQuote:
Originally Posted by josephjobling
Kraftwerk
Nick Turner
Liaisons Dangereuses
Throbbing Gristle (Adrenalin pre-dated Detroit Techno by about 4 years)
Giorgio Moroder
but really you can keep tracing back and tracing back, music just evolved naturally.
Atkins and the other oldie fogies from detroit coined the term techno, but techno had been around for ages.
as above...Quote:
Originally Posted by josephjobling
Skinny Puppy
Nitzer ebb
Front 242
FLA
Caberet Voltaire
Revolting Cocks
any of the post punk EBM / Industrial / Alternative movement
Belgium and new beat never gets a mention but played a massive part
I see these threads and it's like stating hip hop did not start in the Bronx.
two parts to any answer. the first is, who influenced the detroit pioneers? that's covered well in the article: kraftwerk, human league, gary numan, devo, giorgio moroder, alexander robotnik, etc. what's not really mentioned is the influence of the more synth oriented side of funk, especially parliament, which was huge in detroit at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by josephjobling
then there's, who influenced the growth of the genre beyond just detroit? people have already mentioned some industrial, EBM and krautrock artists. i'd add to that some of the more rhythmic oriented electro-acoustic composers. hard to listen to steve reich or terry riley and not hear techno in there...
'Apart from voltaire, most of that stuff was a bit late coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by morbid
242 were very early ebm pioneers though, I`ve some of their early pre detroit gear and it`s pretty easy to see their influence also, but then they were driven by gristle et al.
As I said it keeps going back and back
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Originally Posted by rhythmtech
Kraut Rock is savage! Me brother got me into that last year. loving it. the precussion is very like trip hop .
thanks guys there's alot for me to reaserch and get my teath into - i'll be spending time on google and youtube looking at all the above. Thanx
probably the bets article i've read about techno...
http://www.electronicdancemusic.org/...by-jon-savage/
theres always so much left out when it comes to defining a term, techno as a defined genre most defiantly came from Detroit, but only as a redefinition of other styles. Nothing they did was overwhelming unique, check out cybotron and tell me it don't sound like Kraftwerk, then theres e2 e4, the french disco underground, house, blah blah blah. It goes on. what the detroit guys did was be exactly in the right place at the right time, ie the M25 orbital circa 1988.
cybotron sounds heavily influenced by kraftwerk, but not like kraftwerk. and besides, cybotron is also just the first techno record, much like sugar hill gang was the first hip-hop...not exactly the sound at its most complex (even though it's still great).
of course all music is evolutionary. nothing is completely original, and there are always antecedents for everything. the detroit guys were always quite aware of this...derrick may called techno "kraftwerk and george clinton stuck in an elevator," after all. and you can take either of these artists and say that they were so and so and so and so stuck in an elevator. kraftwerk--who were enormously innovative--are kind of like neu and early jean-michel jarre stuck in an elevator.
what the detroit guys did--and what kraftwerk did before them--was mold these influences into a coherent and different new form.
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Originally Posted by The Overfiend
it started in leeds
Leeds? I thought it was started in Oldham? In "The pie an ferret breaders Arms".
maybe i'm thinking of trip hop.
People had been talking like children in rhyming sentences for years, the bronx can`t claim anything.Quote:
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