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Me & Glenn is discussing this a lot and about how energy translates & works with slower tempo & clearer sound. I'm definitely hooked with slower tempo but raw energy like from the 2000-2004 era, refined to todays environment in the scene. Just feels not enough people are doing this and is either stuck in old ideal or just converted to bandwagon sound. Classic feeling and intensity in new package is high in demand me thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Overfiend
Yeah I know what you mean - I was listening to a remix by the Space djz of an A.Paul track and I couldnt work out if it was proper techno or minumal(ish). Kinda came to the conclusion that it was kinda proper techno but just had the clear, digital sounds of today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattias_Fridell
Dont get me wrong it wasnt full on proper techno but it did have that element in it with minimalish elements aswell
Was a bit surprised to hear Mike Humphries free download sounding the way it sounded.
It was still braw though :)
A lot of what is called Techno now just sounds like harder minimal to me. The distinction has become very blurred. In the A.Paul thread, Mark EG said that Naked Lunch is one of the few labels keeping hard techno alive, but tbh I'm not sure how much of their output I'd even call hard techno. It is faster than minimal, but a lot of it is just as smooth, with similar production values, and overall not a very "hard" or rough sound.
(Even look at what the Advent and Industrialyzer are doing now - is that techno or minimal?! Generally around 135+ BPM which puts it in the techno category, but it has very much a smoothly produced, minimal sound to it)
In the recent Glenn Wilson mix which was posted up, there was a new remix of "Aural Exciter," the original of which was an absolute BEAST of a tune, but the new 2010 remix sounds much much weaker, flatter and less powerful than the original. I know things have changed, and styles have moved on, but that new remix just doesn't come close to the tough attitude and sound of the original, which is a real pity.
It's a difficult one - play too hard and scare the audience away, or give in too much to the "new techno" crowd and water it down...
@ Matthias - am gonna check out some of your newer stuff when I get home tonight . I definitely like the idea of what you said; keeping the roughness and energy of the old style techno, but repackaging it in a way which works in the present day. You got me curious to hear what you're up to!
exactly mate - 100% agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by teknorich
everything is really blured the now - ppl who have not been into techno do call this harder minimal sound techno
aye a was surprised with glen wilsons mix aswell - a thought him being the daddy of hard techno (hereo's, punish etc) that it would have been along those lines
a do think the style of techno has really changed but this should not mean that the proper hard techno that were talking about has to go
Dj Ogi is hard techno and schranz and I do like him but I do think his stuff sounds really similar with each release and just doesnt cut it from the real hard techno a few year ago.
Dont think the hard techno where looking for is going to come back anytime soon - from going to festivals abroad its basically all minimal and schranz - its mental how the european schranz crowd like to call schranz "hard techno" - in my book it defo aint
Please do, just don't listen 1 EP and tell me it's 127 BPM Techno before you take a listen to more stuff hehe, I do a lot. The good thing about today is that I can stamp my name on more then just 1 style, before I had to use aliases when I made some dub stuff or more scaled music. The stuff I've done for Tontek, Foot Fetish and others is more what Im talking about though most of it is upcoming. If you liked Glenn's Motion mix I can reveal that some tunes there is coming from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by teknorich
Just checked you out man - stomping stuff :) - really like the tougher sound youve got going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattias_Fridell
Will defo be making a purchase of your stuff in the future :)
Went on Juno and yes, the Hard Techno game has it twisted right now.
Sorry to say it.
But I heard Nothing Hard Tech at all.
did you just search the latest releases?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Overfiend
Sweet, thanks Ritaheed
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Originally Posted by BloodStar
was listening to some records from that era the other night and almost forgot about the energy those tracks used to bring. it is without question missing from todays definition of techno.
but lets be honest.....at a party....unless the sound system was absolutely pristine, the subtle nuances and grooves of compressed drum loop techno would sound like a wash of harsh upper-mid/high frequencies....coupled with a muddy thundering low end. after a while, my ears would hate me.
there is no reason....with todays technology..... that we cant have the same grit and energy in techno, but just cleaned up with more interesting arrangements and sound sculpting/automation.
imo....thats what advent and industrialyzer, virgil enzinger bring to the table (as far as harder techno).......but to call THAT minimalish.....really???
i really like what Sawf is doing as well......just pitch it up a bit
Ritaheed I looked in the past 8 weeks, and was sorely disappointed.
Justin, your response gets the high five.
I can't remember a time in any Nyc club where I said, damn that sound is so defined, lol.
Except in Limelight and the sound in Twilo was dope when it was around.
in yer face rawness :) :)
YouTube - Damon Wild - Rotary
this is what gets me moving - 1998 aswell - oooooft
YouTube - Cold Dust - AA1 - Nervehammer (Michael Forshaw Mix)
a played this out once and every one went nuts :)
The way Techno is made nowerdays is generally very different to back in the 90s. I'm not sure how many artists still use a real 909, or any other analog gear for that matter.
Most of the people I've seen play out "live", use laptops. Which with any music software available for both Mac and Windows, as soon as you try to overdrive anything it just sounds awful, no serious grunt to it at all.
I certainly miss the days of Chicago and Kalamazoo stuff making it over to the UK, but then those records I have are still great imho.
bring back the days of lugging your CRT monitor to a gig innitQuote:
Originally Posted by qUE
http://www.discogs.com/image/A-150-19996-1083265310.jpg
http://www.loopz.co.uk/tours/images/...2000/live2.jpg
proper techno
those were some good times, but now gone forever with nothing really to take its place.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Overfiend
and now Limelight is a shopping mall...
shopping mall.
Limelight, a shopping mall? Are you kidding me?
I had some of the best times of my life for years on end in that place, and now it's a mall?
yeah. the below article has some of the ground plans for it. i might have to walk in their one day for the pure head fck of the whole thing.
The New Limelight Shopping Mall Makes Former Club Kids Weep
"They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot..."