Oh, come on... Seriously, you REALLY think that's amazing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
This carries as much worth to the world as a dungbeetle trying to rape a golfball.
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Oh, come on... Seriously, you REALLY think that's amazing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
This carries as much worth to the world as a dungbeetle trying to rape a golfball.
Nice. Criticism. Cool. Just took a listen to your stuff & I don't get it mate. Based on your music you cant back up what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieBall
Also "ooh I see exactly what they've done there and it's derivative as **** and still isn't any good"
Please go ahead and explain what stuff we used and how we got these sounds since you see exactly how we done it, would love to hear.
i see your point jamie that "get wonky on it" is a real happy hardcore donk masterpiece. you are the man.....as much as you waste your time listening to the bridge its is doubled by me having to reply to such a one side view on techno....not all techno parties are based on squaters on crack my old mukker
"Nice. Criticism. Cool. Just took a listen to your stuff & I don't get it mate. Based on your music you cant back up what you're saying."
Listen to all my music, have you ? "I don't get it, mate" << FIGURES... Try actually listening to a bunch of it, or don't I'm not bothered. Thing is, I'm not farting out records every five minutes. I'm inna "if you've nothing worthwhile to say, don't say anything at all" stylee. Unlike some.
BATTLE ME - I CHALLENGE YOU ANY TIME ANYWHERE.
Criticise all you like, but I've offered you out in a battle don't just run under your stone and chuck words back. Fail. The challenge is there. Accept it or accept the fact that y'all aint serious enough to **** with what's on offer.
Glenn (who I presume HEROES is), you are in NO POSITION to judge anyone elses music. Isn't it about time you stopped running your career by piggy backing the talents of others and actually admitted that you should probably give up in your quest to dominate the record boxes of idiots across the globe ? Go and work in real estate or something, that seems more suited to you - selling empty shells to people.
You and the likes of prime distribution basically ****ed over techno in the UK with a glut of really terrible/derivative releases and I'll stand by that statement big time. It's not like no-one else agrees, they're just all gimped the **** out about saying it. I'm not. It's about time someone stood for SOMETHING. Don't say "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ON ABOUT" cause I used to distro your records (majority shareholder at just music init) I even wrote some heavily lolzy press releases for some of them.
Anyways, like I said to Mattias I challenged y'all so by all means arrange the battle WHICH I HAVE OFFERED YOU and we'll see who's laughing at the end of it.
Seriously, I await your reply ! Find a promoter to sort it all out, I challenged so you so fix it up then I'll break you big time. Fact.
Firing more words at me is just going to make you look like you're butthurt, so I suggest you take action and agree to me smearing your musical output across the floor in front of a club full of people.
Mattias, if you think my stuff is so shit then it should be an easy victory. Simple. What you got to be afraid of ?
Any time, mate, ANY TIME. I await the date with baited breath. IT'S ON !
YouTube - Jamie Ball & Lenny Dee - Swarm Format
Even on my worst day, I'm better than you on your best :-x
YouTube - JAMIE BALL - FOOTWORXX NYE CLIP 1
lay the pipe down and think about it you are embarrassing yourself, seriously i wont reply anymore, you have your vision of techno i have mine. as for a battle please grow up, I admit i couldnt compete with that and nor would i want to, i wouldnt know where to start, should i bring the concrete mixer or the jackhammer or maybee both.....seriously fella dont go there i heard lenny, adam x and that crew bang shit out like your trash while you were still munchin on farleys rusks, only thing is they were 1st at it, your way way way too late to hold any crown......a little tip as well that fancy loop cd you got out you could save some hard-drive space and make it 8 bit because 24 wont give you any more quality
Jamie, mate. Your not only embarrassing yourself, you're insulting other people intelligence, the ones who like what we do. I have no problem to take criticism if it's done right and when its coming from someone who can back their stuff up and put there money where their mouth is.
And what is this battle thing? Are you still in high-school or have the mentality of a teen-ager? The music you play does not interest techno people in general, if you like third movement stuff no problem there but its not proper techno, sorry. What you play & make have no soul whatsoever and have been done but tons of people since shitloads of years back.
I've been in the music biz for a very long time delivering everything from house, jazz, orchestral music to what Im known for: Techno (in various shapes). The DJ battle thing is hilarious, but I guess that's what you do best, because music you sure can't produce at all. The tracks you produce I can make 100% better in 30 minutes, I'm way beyond childish music like that.
I know your kind, and this is my last reply to you, good day sir.
Lol nice comeback. Never heard of audio being distorted by cameras before ? I guess not. Then again, based on your production you're clearly not that familiar with audio in the grand sense anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heroes
Grow up ? Maybe if I 'grow up' then you can refrain from 'chickening out' ? I take it by trying to be funny and putting down SOME of my musical output (I actually produce all kinds of music, being a MUSICIAN - do you even understand what that word MEANS ? look it up...) that you're attempting to sidestep the issue at hand ? Fail, as predicted. I'm not the one who can't back up his words with action, mate, remember that (it's here for all to see until you whine enough to Mark to get it deleted, if you so choose)
How long have you been playing/making dance music for, exactly ? Don't get ME started, you've no idea about me or where I'm from/at so cease making retarded guesses. You'll fail :-P
What are you 1st at ? Making boring as **** loop techno ? Derivative, much ? Didn't you just release a lot of music by people who're now far bigger than yourself (with reason) then just basically shit out a watered down version of their sound ? I mean, I'm loathe to lower myself to such criticism but being as you've opened the ballpark ****ing right I'll hit home runs on your lame output till the cows come home. Interesting that you respond instantly with criticism on what you've been able to find hastily of my output online, as opposed to just saying 'yes, it's a fair cop' which would make a lot more sense. Defensive, at all ? :-x
If you're prepared to stand up for your music in a public venue and put it against me then you can criticise away, like I suggested. If you're not prepared to do this then any kind of muckslinging on your behalf is a tad ****ing redundant, n'est pas ? I've issued a challenge, it took all of about an hour or so for you to think it over then back down. Way to go. You want a medal ? Or maybe I should ship you a CROWN hahahahaha
Is 'holding a crown' what this is all about to you ? Well, good job - you have one on already, you've totally cornered the market in completely boring and soulless techno so I salute you wholeheartedly. Holding a crown LOL being noticed LOL > WHO GIVES A SHIT < are you just doing this to get the pats on the back ? Pardon me for being apparently misinformed but I wasn't aware that's what an artistic mindset is all about.
HOLDING A CROWN < loool listen to yourself.
I could not give a tiny **** what you or any of your cohorts think of my music, chances are you've never heard of it/me before today and that speaks volumes tbh. You wont catch me jumping on the self publicity bandwagon just in order to shoot myself in the foot by blowing a fanfare then expecting everyone to lap up the jobbies that roll along the conveyor belt. (which is, I believe, what is happening here)
I notice you're not getting paid to release sample cd's, too ? Interesting, that. One might infer from this that you don't, infact, have a sound of your own to 'sell' ? You COULD do one, just bundle a cd and some crap pictures of women with their tits out then burn ONLY a notepad file to the cd saying "basically just rip off the crappy lunkhead bits of other peoples music, make ****ing SURE you don't attempt anything out of the box or - heaven forbid - memorable. Stick some pictures of tits on it and hey presto"
Just an idea.
Still waiting on you sorting this battle out, btw, but I guess I'll have a while to twiddle my thumbs being as it's evident you're not going to back up your words with action any time soon.
:-x
Honestly, "HOLDING A CROWN" <<< LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL thanks for that I'll be laughing all day :-)
FAILQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattias_Fridell
You don't know me, you don't know anything about me. You think TTM is my style ? FAIL. Try checking some history you moron. Just cause I don't work exclusively in one scene, I mean, WOW how audacious !
Personally, I don't know much if **** all about your output so I can't criticise your back catalogue for fear of looking like an ignorant prick (as you are here).
If you've been in the music business for so long, one would have thought you'd be aware that I've only been doing 'industrial' kinda music the last little while (and why not). You might want to have a listen to some of my techno before you make yourself look like even more of a blinkered, butthurt idiot.
You can call me all the childish names under the sun, fact is you're evidently not prepared to put yourself up against me in a live environment. Speaks volumes, mate.
Cool how you're not even prepared to stand in defence of your own "musical" output. That's so ass backwards it might even be WIN :-x
whats ass backwards really is what a f***ing a class gold coated twat your making yourself look, matey you bought shit all to this post but negativity. you go on about battles i mean cumon what the hell are you on seriously? you think techno is all about ****ing disted 909 and 160bpm. Distorted by cameras? did you record killafornia through a camera you should try the mackies the onyx ones are really good mattias has 3 of them......but seriously i personaly dont give a shit what you have done, who you are or what hand you are using wanking off to this argument. All i know is that if it was for any worth you would be a lot further in your career than having to get your attention kicking up a stink on here, hey whos knows you learn to mix that shit you call music properly next time and you could soon be doing gigs on wigan pier. I do know this though whats the biggest crime is that you actually got paid to make that cd.........Right seriously "King Jamie the saviour of all things techno" i dont give a flying shit what you come back with i wont be giving you the pleasure of taking anymore of my time...
This "Battle of the bands" thing seems pretty kiddy to me. What are you trying to decide here - the future of Techno, or whose band plays the school prom?!
Best way to show people why your Techno is better is to post some links up here to your recent Techno work, and let folks decide for themselves. And keep it recent (last 12 months maximum) because otherwise it isn't a fair comparison. We've heard what Techno Glenn and Mattias are making currently, so now let's hear what you are making.
jesus ****ing christ!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieBall
You know when you read something and cant stop cringing........
fackin ell...
Might be an idea to take it to PM's now fellas.
a do think techno as went some what wattered down, and its defo not to my taste so i can understand jamie's point - dont totally agree how it got said but it is a forum at the end of the day
tbh a love mattias', wilsons and jamie's stuff - prefer glen wilson back in the day and i was expecting something mega with the new tonal releases but it does do a job - mattias harder stuff well gets me going and have bought a load of it recently and im a fan of nearly every jamie ball release anyways
each to there own and all that shizz tho :) but aye maybe jamie should get on the propa techno route again and inject us with something other than this minimilish type techno that's going about
saying that im going to see the advent and the industrialyzer this weekend - going to be plenty of that minimilsh type techno sound but im still game for a bounce about :)
anyways about time this forum got a bit of life pumped into it
Wtf is Jamie Ball anyhow? Got a few records out on discogs:
Jamie Ball - Bio, CDs and Vinyl at Discogs
Let's take a look at mighty Glenn Wilson shall we:
Glenn Wilson - Bio, CDs and Vinyl at Discogs
Well then, what does this tell me? Tells me that a heck of a lot more people want to hear Mr. Wilson then you bud.
I'm gonna be completely honest with you Jamie. You've made a couple of good records that I have bought back in the day. But I have about 20 Glenn Wilson albums that would rape you flat up, eyes closed.
Who is to say you can't play live better than either of them. Who the **** cares. These guys are making quality shit that's going to do well. I promise you, if they keep it going you will eat your words.
Jealous much?
"All i know is that if it was for any worth you would be a lot further in your career than having to get your attention kicking up a stink on here"
Career ? Oh **** off ya moron... Is that what it's about to you ? MONEY/CAREER/JOB FOR LIFE NO MATTER ? Give it a break lol if that was the case you'd surely not be constantly shooting yourself in the foot or are you genuinely that stupid ?? :-s The mind boggles.....
Is it not you who posts endlessly LISTEN TO THIS CHECK THIS RELEASE NEW AMAZING SHIT FROM GLENN WILSON etc etc ? I was under the impression I hadn't posted for ****ing months, let alone smear the entire interwebbings in shite about whatever SAME OLD SAME OLD project I'm involved in currently...
I've ticked all the boxes I want in techno and am perfectly happy where I am, nor is it my bread and butter so I do it purely for enjoyment. I'm not doing this to try and finance an extension on my house. All I'm saying is that your music you've put up here is shite (imo) and that most of your output in the past has been the same IN MY OPINION. You're an affront to techno, in my opinion, and your attitude is about as NON TECHNO as one can get. I don't own any of your records and I guess you can say the same about me... Being, however, as you know the inside and out of dance music I wonder where SHOULD I be in my 'career' right now ? Where are YOU ? Aren't you way off 'the map' compared to what you used to be ? Did you ever find that crown ? Some of us choose not to put ourselves 'on the map' in the first place, this is clearly not a mentality with which you are familiar. Many people have said to me since starting this little conversation 'oh yeah he's ****ing blasting that shit all over the internet right now' - Well done, Glenn, you're clearly making waves in your 'career'. I hope that by annoying everyone you will get BIG SALES...
There's more to criticism that CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and if I see something crappy going down that I don't agree with I've as much right as anyone else to get involved and have my say. My main point, and I shall re-iterate it again for those not picking up on it, is that you release predominantly derivative/crappy music with purely transient appeal. On a regular basis. Yet STILL you don't seem to understand that if you actually want a 'career' it might not be the best thing to do. Ho hum. :-) That corner you're in is really tiny now but never mind you've still clearly got plenty of paint :-x
As I've said to Mattias, the fact you're clearly too dumb and reactionary to do anything other than go one or two releases into my back catalogue to find 'issues' is not my problem - it's yours. The fact you're prepared to give dogs abuse out about something you have ably demonstrated you know **** all about is basically a big fail. Two wrongs don't make a right, the fact that my saying this project of yours SUCKS has led to you frantically sourcing the interwebbings for my 'output' to abuse similarly is kinda lol. You're failing to address the key point of my argument. The woeful lack of almost anything interesting that is exhibited TIME AND TIME AGAIN by your releases doesn't really have much to do with anything I've done, does it ? :-P
We might as well call an end to this now being as the asslicker brigade will no doubt be on board soon (some already here I see) but it's been fun while it's lasted :-x
It saddens me that each time I visit this forum the situation regarding techno in general seems WORSE - hence this lolzy wee outburst today. It's not just me that thinks this way but in the absence of anyone else actually saying what they feel I'm quite happy to be the 'bad guy' once again :-)
Anyways, despite saying you're not going to reply you've still managed to (did you do it by proxy, like some of your releases in the past ?) but yeah, I'm going to **** off and go in the pool for a bit so digest and respond at your leisure if you wish.
I think from here on it IS going to just be a slanging match, judging from your pig ignorant and deliberately inflammatory comments in response to mine thus far and I've said all I need to say but if you DO wish to continue down this avenue be assured I can make the road last forever and will be quite happy to trod along with you :-)
One important thing to remember is that "Tonal Path" is focusing on slow vibes with progression and big bottom & atmosphere.
Wardrum EP on Compound 37 was released end of last week shows the more banging side of mine and Glenn's team work but we released that stuff under (simple) Glenn Wilson & Mattias Fridell. Everything under our own names is more like the classic grooves. But in no way we'll ever go back to 140 BPM Techno like 10 years ago, its just not our thing anymore. Slower tracks opens up new space to place and arrange sounds and thats what we really love right now.
Jamie Ball is the new Gunjack!
Have you ever considered I may not want/need to fart out 10 records that all sound the same every month ? Hmmm, clearly not.... Maybe you should think about the fact that Glenn is attempting to make a 'good' living out of this music and (whilst trying not to laugh) then you may understand the reason behind his 'prolific' output. It doesn't surprise me you have so many Glenn Wilson records. Infact, it kinda illustrates my point...Quote:
Originally Posted by ethno
Thing is, NO-ONE owes anyone a living. If you provide a shit service then why the hell are people going to keep paying for it ? This shit is the macdonalds of techno, providing base level sustenance for people not willing to go off the beaten track. AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF 'EM
Putting out music that's lame and same old same old just to keep your name out there is way worse than just shutting up and being content with what you've done. Ask Glenn, I'm sure he can tell you his sales figures from today and we can compare them to what he did in the past. If he was doing so amazingly he wouldn't be teaming up with anyone who'd have him to put out this generic crud in the vain hope that having twice the releases out will reap him twice the rewards. It's a really stupid way of thinking.
"I promise you, if they keep it going you will eat your words."
I doubt it. I fully doubt it. If these tracks are remembered in 5 years time I'll eat your anus. It's transient, crappy, run of the mill, non-kickass, linear junk and I stand by my opinion.
Plus, when are fanboys opinions ever welcomed ? WTF are YOU !?!? lol ! Seriously though it just makes it appear that people can't fight their own battles. It's like cunts defending football teams, at the end of the day they'll function without you and only really want you for your cash/bums on seats.
I couldn't give a **** if no-one listened to my music, seriously, hence never shouting about it. It's not FOR people. If they happen to enjoy it or want to release it fair enough but at the end of the day it's for my own amusement. I've never sent out a 'demo' and I've never bugged anyone for a release. It's not my modus operandi and if you weren't too thick to do so you'd be able to get your head away from the concept that the only reason people make music is for superstardom.
I fail to see how, if they ARE working for 'the audience', Glenn etc can't come up with something a shitload more catchy. I mean, seriously, is that what people want to hear these days ? If so then I'm glad I pay **** all attention to techno :-)
I'm with ritaheed - this place needed spicing up anyways, the apple cart was practically sliding across a frictionless surface before I kicked this shit up - now at least it's popping a wheelie.