Please tell me what 'freeform' music is?

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Originally Posted by TechnoRaver

Yeh this genre is probably labelled wrong, but its got more potential than any dance music genre at the moment.
freefrom isnt just sped up hard trance, youve got quite a few tracks which come very close to hardcore techno.
To be honest uf you can find techno interesting you must be able to find something you like in freeform.

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ok, i am really getting confused here now.


I have asked if som1 could post some MP3's to some freeform records so we can hear them.

I have heard some freeform sets and i would not call it any thing like hardcore techno! The kick drum is nothing like hardcore techno. Hardcore techno does not have long build ups. Hardcore techno are people like manu le marlin, acardipane, horrorist, miro. They also make gabber.

Dunno what they have done to the site, but the random stuff starts at page 3. I wouldn't really say the first couple of pages give a good overview of Freeform.

Especially listen to stuff on Nu Energy, Relentless, CLSM, Raw Elements, Blizzard Trax

check out tunes on uprising, bonkers, digi beats and you will see what i mean, and only said "some come close....."

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Originally Posted by Tony

sorry people, but you are all so totally wrong, in a potentially corrct kinda way. what you are describing is a word that has been applied by silly people to music that they cant describe because its such a bastardisation of too many genres.

freeform, across only a limited amount of genres, MAINLY JAZZ, is music that has an underlying time signature that all the musicians adhere to, but the music thay play over the top melts over the rhythmical structure yet conforms to the melodic patterns that are preset within the standard.
eg, they are counting the rhythm subliminally, and they are working off an established melodic pattern or a specific melodic direction through various notes. what it sounds like is a total mess of 'freeform' improvisation as each musician improvises around the notes, but instinctively counting the rhythm regardless of the barrage of sound. but at a specific given point they could all drop back into 'the hookline' for what is essentially 'the chorus' and prove that they are spot on in a musical structure sense.

to apply this to a 'hybrid of trance and hardcore and sped up hard house' is quite humourous. freeform implies freedom, but all these genres work within such definite preset and very limited pattern structures and rhythms that it doesnt even do the dictionary definition of the word justice.

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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I gave a link earlier in this thread to my freeform mix.... Guess you didn't read my post.

http://mixes.catjane.co.uk/Cat.mp3

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Originally Posted by TechnoRaver

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Originally Posted by Tony

yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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But i think you should still give it ago, open your ears, i bet u could find stuff you liked.

Someone wanted some examples of classic freeform


http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg017-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg033-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/bkr004-a.rm

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ok, are people really trying to sell me that this horrible music is like Hardcore Techno? there is nothing hardcore about it, there is nothing techno about it?

That music sounded like nurg (like the name said) with some cheesy riffs :(

Umm, I dont think ANYONE said it was like hardcore techno.

Hardcore yes, but not techno

What does any of this have to do with Techno?

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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i posted that link on page bloody one.

tell you what i think

http://www.harderfaster.net/images/u...592b8cae2c.jpg

big mistake asking the question in boa in the first place imo :doh:

[quote="Sincs"]

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Originally Posted by Tony

well, i cant really comment anymore cos i'm just a punter, and due to the fact that noone else on here is a producer except mark and a few others, and none of us know anything about anything, we really dont have any opinion at all.................................

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what a loser!!!
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OK, if you want to go down that route, I ASSUMED that Serox was talking about large scale producers, (if you are one then fair enough, but I dont know who you are), if that is a case, then I am sure there are a hell of a lot more Producers on BT than there is on here anyway.

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did you read any of the messages above??

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NO! My sole aim was to reply to the bullshit that Serox has put up about me.

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understand that you're dealing with a tiny weeny microcosm of music that will make as much of a dent on the musical world as a bug makes to the window of an articulated lorry, whatever you choose to call it, and however misappropriated the word is.

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Thanks to the misguided prick that is Serox, people have got the wrong end of what I was saying. All I said is that Freeform is the fastest growing genre in the way of popularity, simply for one reason and one reason only - it's fairnly new.
NEVER ONCE have I said that this genre will make a huge impact on the music industry - NOR WILL I EVER DO SO!

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yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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Tell me when I have posted up my "discriptions" of this genre?!?!?!

IT IS BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS I LEFT. PEOPLE NOT READING POSTS, BUT INSTEAD READING SNIPPETS OF WHAT HAS BEEN TYPED AND THEN ASSUMING THE REST!

This board hasn't changed at all!

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i posted my previous post b4 reading this one. Damn u really are excited arnt you? I cannot rem what was said now as my comments have all been removed from the BT forum. You was asking me to try and name 10 records that have made a impact on dance music, like there isnt any??

I was trying to say how this freeform music has not made a impact on the dance scene or has done any thing for it at this time. I also said i could not say i have heard of any freeform producers that have really made any change (good or bad) for dance music either.

There is no need to get personal and call me names and thee is no need to say how good the BT website is compared to hear. I dont think (maybe i am wrong) there are more artists who visit/post on the BT forum that have done some thing positive for dance music in some way, compared to here tho.

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

What does any of this have to do with Techno?

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Well just to add a comment i think freeform is certainly diverse like techno but i agree it's posted in the wrong topic.

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Originally Posted by serox

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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I gave a link earlier in this thread to my freeform mix.... Guess you didn't read my post.

http://mixes.catjane.co.uk/Cat.mp3

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i dont want sets, i wanted to hear some freeform tracks that show what it is all about.

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Originally Posted by "serox[/quote

i posted my previous post b4 reading this one. Damn u really are excited arnt you? I cannot rem what was said now as my comments have all been removed from the BT forum. You was asking me to try and name 10 records that have made a impact on dance music, like there isnt any??

I was trying to say how this freeform music has not made a impact on the dance scene or has done any thing for it at this time. I also said i could not say i have heard of any freeform producers that have really made any change (good or bad) for dance music either.

There is no need to get personal and call me names and thee is no need to say how good the BT website is compared to hear. I dont think (maybe i am wrong) there are more artists who visit/post on the BT forum that have done some thing positive for dance music in some way, compared to here tho.

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Firstly, I never asked you to name 10 tunes. I know there are a hell of a lot of damn fine tunes from the late 80's and early 90's that have helped to develop where dance music is today. This has never been in question. As for freeform producers that have not made an impact, again I shall say two names! JON DOE & BILLY BUNTER! So stop with that point because it is invalid!

As for people on BT who have had a positive infulence on the dance industry, I could go on forever. All I will say is BOA has its share of mainly techno and hard trance (a few hardstyle ones too), where as BT has its share of Hard Trance, Freeform, Hard House, NRG, and techno producers.

As for your comments on BT being deleted - they are still there!

And as for me getting excited, when some arsehole starts to bad mouth me when they are incapable of reading things in context and making me look like an idiot, then I tend to take an exception.

Anyway, as you comment about people telling you freeform sounds like hardcore techno, that sums up you inability to read things in context, or read full stop.

You have proved you are talking out of your arse and as a result I am not going to bother replying on this thread again.

All that is left for me to say is that this thread has highlighted to me the reason why I left in the first place!

Man some of your attitudes on here STINK :nono:

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

What does any of this have to do with Techno?

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well after hearing some of the tracks on the website above i see i have clearly posted the question on the wrong forum. I thought i could ask the people here who i see commenting on things that i know about. I thought they could maybe explain to me what the music is ike in terms i could understand in the same way.

I still do not understand tho why this music has been called freeform, it has nothing original in it at all that makes it different.

What happened to respecting other peoples opinions and music taste ? :neutral:

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Originally Posted by DJsmallpaul

Man some of your attitudes on here STINK :nono:

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well said :clap:

serox and sincs, chill out the pair of you

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Originally Posted by serox

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

What does any of this have to do with Techno?

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well after hearing some of the tracks on the website above i see i have clearly posted the question on the wrong forum. I thought i could ask the people here who i see commenting on things that i know about. I thought they could maybe explain to me what the music is ike in terms i could understand in the same way.

I still do not understand tho why this music has been called freeform, it has nothing original in it at all that makes it different.

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TBH i don't think the names important, you could call it fluffymuff, but it would still be that genre.

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Originally Posted by "serox[/quote

i posted my previous post b4 reading this one. Damn u really are excited arnt you? I cannot rem what was said now as my comments have all been removed from the BT forum. You was asking me to try and name 10 records that have made a impact on dance music, like there isnt any??

I was trying to say how this freeform music has not made a impact on the dance scene or has done any thing for it at this time. I also said i could not say i have heard of any freeform producers that have really made any change (good or bad) for dance music either.

There is no need to get personal and call me names and thee is no need to say how good the BT website is compared to hear. I dont think (maybe i am wrong) there are more artists who visit/post on the BT forum that have done some thing positive for dance music in some way, compared to here tho.

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Firstly, I never asked you to name 10 tunes. I know there are a hell of a lot of damn fine tunes from the late 80's and early 90's that have helped to develop where dance music is today. This has never been in question. As for freeform producers that have not made an impact, again I shall say two names! JON DOE & BILLY BUNTER! So stop with that point because it is invalid!

As for people on BT who have had a positive infulence on the dance industry, I could go on forever. All I will say is BOA has its share of mainly techno and hard trance (a few hardstyle ones too), where as BT has its share of Hard Trance, Freeform, Hard House, NRG, and techno producers.

As for your comments on BT being deleted - they are still there!

And as for me getting excited, when some arsehole starts to bad mouth me when they are incapable of reading things in context and making me look like an idiot, then I tend to take an exception.

Anyway, as you comment about people telling you freeform sounds like hardcore techno, that sums up you inability to read things in context, or read full stop.

You have proved you are talking out of your arse and as a result I am not going to bother replying on this thread again.

All that is left for me to say is that this thread has highlighted to me the reason why I left in the first place!

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how can you say i have no read this i have no idea.

I did a quote on the person who said it has some hardcore techno within freeform (or how ever they worded it).

I did not bad mouth you, i think you did that ur self.

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I did a quote on the person who said it has some hardcore techno within freeform (or how ever they worded it).

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Originally Posted by Tony

yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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I don't understand how you can intelligently comment on something that you haven't listened to, and something that you have never heard of, sorry.

Why not give it a listen yourself, then your comments may carry more weight :)

I reckon that ppl who are into a limited range of genres (not that there is anything wrong with that) are not exposed to other, equally important ones. I mean, Hardstyle here on Blackout is recognised, but I wouldn't say that in general it is any more popular than freeform ... it's just what you are exposed to or choose to listen to etc.

And before you say anything, I feel qualified to comment given that I play a wide range of genres, including hardstyle, freeform and techno, amongst others :)

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yep, you are fully qualified as you are into those genres. but i am also aware of the genres which several people have used as descriptive terms of the ingredients and influences that go to make up this genre. with those influences and descriptions firmly established i can already fully understand what the resulting music will sound like and have no desire to listen to it whatsoever. i can intelligently comment on it because i have sold dance music to the public and around the world for around 6years now and dealt with the influences/ingredients of your genre for a few of those years. its when small niches of music like this crop up, and people huddle around an even smaller painted corner, it makes me chuckle.
it just shouldnt be called freeform for simple and obvious reasons. fluffy muff might be a better term in the long run.

cheeky, that was subjective patronising, i was only wishing you well, as i would with anyone who wants to like whatever music they want to.

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Originally Posted by serox

it has nothing original in it at all that makes it different.

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my thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed

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Originally Posted by serox

it has nothing original in it at all that makes it different.

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my thoughts exactly.

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not true really issit :roll:

if youd heard anything on bonkers, uprising, digital beats you would know theres nothing about that sounds like that n e where

This topic is out of hand and does not belong on this forum regardless.
As for people disrespecting genres, GROW UP.
It's getting Locked. I'm leaving it up for a day so you can all see this then it's getting deleted. READ THE RULES.
And for my friend with the negative view of Blackout... You don't have to be here.