Please Read - Re: Claude Young

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Originally Posted by Martin Dust

But this is all out of order man - who the **** posts mails on forum, sickening.

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It is not the done thing, sure. But this guy feels aggrieved, and apparantly quite convinced of Claude's wrong doing in this incident. NONE of us know the real story and none of us should be quick to defend or scorn either party. Circuito did the wrong thing by posting up Claude's email for sure, and i'm sure he realises that now.

Circuito thinks he's right and he wants people to know it, good enough reason to argue his point I believe. I'm not saying Claude messed up but I don't think everyone should assume he was in the right, even the good guys can mess up sometimes :)

Anyway, as was mentioned already.. PMs are to way to sort it from here on in. It's unfortunate this has happened, I'm sure both sides would have enjoyed the gig if it had gone ahead!

Well when someone ask you to do something, u do it and then circumstances get all screwed up your not bound to go through with it.

As I said before im not going into details here but if you dont know the details dont get involved.

And for the guy who is sticking up for this prick, u dont know me so no matter how many "Good" DJ's play at their event u cant possibly understand the whole situation.

Bottom line is if u want to support their event's fine. Im sure they are good events. But that does not give them the right to do as they wish and just spread things about like this.

These are the people who are controlling the scene and this is the reason people cant see their favorite DJ's in some areas.

Some guy throws a party and starts power tripping, if u cant get a visa u cant get in, right????

Anyway the bottom line in all this is you people here keep this scene going, so what becomes of it is up to you guys....

Later
C

a messy one for sure it seems...

Circuitio is a big name in the brazilian scene and lots of the big djs play there yes, this doesnt mean its run by nice people, im not saying it isnt, but judging by the way Circuitio have come on here and posted personal, private emails from Claude show's, imo, that they dont have the morals that maybe everyone thinks they do.

sure its a great shame for the fans over there that Claude wont be playing, but has anyone thought that Claude may have been disapointed also? true we dont know the whole facts, and neither party has to tell us, it really doesnt involve anyone else, but for Circuitio to come on here and act the way they have is very unprofessional.

Gigs get booked, troubles flare up, gigs get cancelled.... im sure its not the first and it wont be the last for Circuitio or for any other club for that matter, be it in Brazil, England or timbuktoo!

the club have booked a good replacement in Ruskin, that should of been the end of it, and something tells me that unless this post about Claude's laptop wasnt here, then Circuitio wouldnt have even came here to say anything, and what they did say only turned into a personal attack on someone that anyone who understands this scene and the people in it know is a good, honest, genuinely honest Dj and all round top bloke.

Playa hating is just OTT in my book, especially to this level, and if this had happened to me, well id be glad i wasnt go to play for them either

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Originally Posted by eyes without a face

a messy one for sure it seems...

Circuitio is a big name in the brazilian scene and lots of the big djs play there yes, this doesnt mean its run by nice people, im not saying it isnt, but judging by the way Circuitio have come on here and posted personal, private emails from Claude show's, imo, that they dont have the morals that maybe everyone thinks they do.

sure its a great shame for the fans over there that Claude wont be playing, but has anyone thought that Claude may have been disapointed also? true we dont know the whole facts, and neither party has to tell us, it really doesnt involve anyone else, but for Circuitio to come on here and act the way they have is very unprofessional.

Gigs get booked, troubles flare up, gigs get cancelled.... im sure its not the first and it wont be the last for Circuitio or for any other club for that matter, be it in Brazil, England or timbuktoo!

the club have booked a good replacement in Ruskin, that should of been the end of it, and something tells me that unless this post about Claude's laptop wasnt here, then Circuitio wouldnt have even came here to say anything, and what they did say only turned into a personal attack on someone that anyone who understands this scene and the people in it know is a good, honest, genuinely honest Dj and all round top bloke.

Playa hating is just OTT in my book, especially to this level, and if this had happened to me, well id be glad i wasnt go to play for them either

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Could not have said it better myself mate.
Ask them if they would pull this stuff on DJ Rush, he cancelled the same event as well, I dont know the reason but I know he did cancel. And my decision to cancel had nothing to do with Rush. I felt bad for them and did my best to try to be there.
I know what its like to have an artist cancel. I had a mate cancel my event here in Glasgow & I didnt get mad.
I just said cool, well sort something out when we can, no need for hostility or smear campaigns.

I was looking forward to going to Brazil, I never played there before so it was a big deal for me as well but it will have to wait for a few more years I guess...

C out...

Well I take people as I find them and I know for a fact who side I'm standing by...end of.

Well I take people as I find them and I know for a fact who side I'm standing by...end of

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Circuito, if you were coming on here to try and get some sort of hate mob going against Claude, well, nice try but no bananna dude... this board is full of people who know exactly what the djs we love and dance to are exactly like, no matter how much whitewashing goes on

From CYs original stolen laptop post to him getting slated for cancelling gigs...

Furthest off topic this board has ever had i think....

well its only Circuito to blame for that one innit

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Originally Posted by CY2

And for the guy who is sticking up for this prick, u dont know me so no matter how many "Good" DJ's play at their event u cant possibly understand the whole situation.

Bottom line is if u want to support their event's fine. Im sure they are good events. But that does not give them the right to do as they wish and just spread things about like this.

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I'm not really sticking up for anyone, and I never said it was your fault. The fact is NO-ONE here knows what happened, however people are quicker to take the side of the well known guy and tell the other guy to sling his hook. He made a mistake in posting it up here in the first place, and posting up your email was out of order, so I guess people are vindicated in giving him an ear bashing.

In reference to the bigger picture beyond this thread though, I think people are too quick to form opinions before they know the 1st thing about what actually happened.

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Originally Posted by eyes without a face

well its only Circuito to blame for that one innit

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You made your point already ;)

Claude was infact reffering to Frank Dogshit when he meant the guy sticking up for Circuito dude, and yes the point was made, but i was replying to Frank's other comment, so ;) right back u

we gonna lock this one up, sam?

no, please,noooo. why do you have to lock up every fight?

I'm sure I read on another board that Claude Young was retiring from techno altogether??? (maybe littledetroit.com but im really not sure)

umm not that long ago either... :?:

Hard to tell the full story here. Sure Circuito wouldnt have posted so malicously if he didnt feel he had been properly screwed around... Theyve had a shit load of success bringing out to Brasil many other of the worlds best techno djs. Must be a good promoter.

Poor form with the email though, but umm yeah quite a lot of drama queen antics tho eh?

i think this needs locking up too, both parties involved had their say this afternoon and its over with

Guys,

I apologize to all users for not strictly following the rules of the forum. I will not discuss any private matters here again.

I think this is an electronic music forum, and every kind of issue should be discussed - if people have the proof to back it up.

The techno scene is made up of many elements - artists, promoters, audience - and I think it´s healthy when people discuss each other´s work.

We always hear horrible stories about DJs who play in some clubs and don't get paid, or get treated badly. But very rarely does anyone discuss the stress and financial difficulties promoters go through when an artist does not show up for a gig.

For this particular gig, we had already paid for 60,000 flyers, 1,000 posters, 100 T-shirts, and over 200 radio ads. We work very hard and we think we - and our audience - deserve some decent explanation when an artist cancels a gig.

Circuito is and independent party. We don't have corporate sponsorhip. We depend on the audience to keep going. We are three friends who love techno and we have always treated every single artist with respect. In three years, we brought 35 foreign artists to Brasil, and every artist that has ever played for us said he wished to come back. I'm sure it will continue to be this way.

Best,
Andre

wouldn't be better to reply my private message? we got your point ;) :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:

what about the laptop stolen of Mr Young?

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Originally Posted by circuito

Dear Buttman,

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I had to explain to the Circuito audience (many of whom are users here) why mr. Young was not coming to our party.

I have no fear of "getting in trouble", because everything I posted is absolutely true. We have worked hard to bring great techno artists to Brasil for three years now, we are very proud of our work, and I stand by every word I wrote.

Best,
Andre

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andre you are way way way out of line here!
e-mail claude in private , this is a FORUM where people discuss ideas and music.
not a place to get into these kinds of details.
shit happens right
and if tis kind of thing were aimed at me on this forum i would be most upset , as it is the one place i really enjoy hanging out and shooting the shit with some friends.

so anyways welcome to the board
but keep within the framework please!

padlock?

andre: shut up already. as has already been explained to you many times you are handling a private matter publicly. that is not acceptable behavior here, no matter how just you may think your position is.

claude: maybe these guys should get christian vogel instead. :lol: :lol:
just do your thing and forget about this noise. and we're all truly sorry, again, about your laptop. that sh*t is wack.

The reason we even have an electronic music scene and parties on this earth is because of the people who have paved the way musically for us with their courage and vision.

RESPECT

nuf said

erm nobody died did they? good :shock: :shock:

I'm glad this topic wasn't padlocked - i mean i agree with having a framework for a forum - but also freedom of speech is important isn't it? - it's not as though the parties involved weren't both able to represent themselves. dj's / parties / promotion - it's a risky business - it's not a career in chartered accountancy is it? no idea about the details so don't have an opinion - but with the best will in the world I'm sure we've all had times where things got misunderstood or blown out of proportion for whatever reason...

Ok.. no padlock needed.. but does this post still need to be sticky at the top. Lets it fade down the list as it may.

still don't have any reply in my PM circuito, send it hero! joking heheh its nothing important people heheh :doh: :lol: :lol:

a guy loses laptop, fans respond, promoter mad, fans respond, artist mad cause of promoter mad, fans mad, promoter sorry.... HEheehe

Anyhow people have been to quick to jump the gun, and too passionate without knowing the insides and out. I think everyone should be respected whether you are a dj or a promoter. They both sound like they are doing their best so shouldn`t disrespect either. I can understand concerns of both parties. I would be pissed of if some cancelled a gig without a decent explanation or have my business spilt over on the net. It just sounds like a case of miscommunication. Attention to Professionalism should be more wide spread :dontevengothere:

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Originally Posted by OriginalTechnobastard

a guy loses laptop, fans respond, promoter mad, fans respond, artist mad cause of promoter mad, fans mad, promoter sorry.... HEheehe

Anyhow people have been to quick to jump the gun, and too passionate without knowing the insides and out. I think everyone should be respected whether you are a dj or a promoter. They both sound like they are doing their best so shouldn`t disrespect either. I can understand concerns of both parties. I would be pissed of if some cancelled a gig without a decent explanation or have my business spilt over on the net. It just sounds like a case of miscommunication. Attention to Professionalism should be more wide spread :dontevengothere:

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i agree with technobaastard with this one.claudes completely flown off the handle at me on this one when basically i was only suggesting that theres 2 sides to every story and I actually felt sorry for the promoter who had spent loads of cash to put on this party. From a punters perspective I know i would dissapointed if I was expecting Claude at the gig had been looking forward to the night for ages only to be disspointed in the end.

All people want to know is.....whos telling the truth?Has circuito not been kept in touch properly with claudes movements?

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

All people want to know is.....whos telling the truth?Has circuito not been kept in touch properly with claudes movements?

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With due respect, is this really relevant ?. It's between the promotor and the dj, nobody else. The promotor can simply inform everyone that the dj has cancelled ( as we did when Jay Denham cancelled 1 week before our event ) and the book someone else ( as we did ). What happens between the 2 parties has nothing to do with anyone else.

aye id better shut up before i get nailed again. :neutral:

is this still going on?

!Looking back on it, that email thing is blown out of proportion. I thought he listed his email address or something. He was just using the email to explain himself. And the audience in Brasil DO need a proper explanation. I mean the guy refer to Claude as legendary and Claude ends up calling him a prick. It should of been done privately but since its not :neutral: And using Rush as an indication doesn`t mean anything because you never know why he pulled out.


Shady promoter suck though :rambo: I am sure thats why this guy tries not to be one.

the guy listed a personal email from Claude, thats what the email fuss was about

perhaps they should of both done this in the pm's section or between themselves, but it was circuitio who started the whole thing on this post so maybe they should of just left it alone and done it in private

all this talk of of them doing it in private seems funny when you consider the amount of people who have thus far stuck their noses and commented for the sake of commenting.

I hope both of them win the lottery tommorw.

**** that i hope i win.

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