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these guys should be assisinated like people who play trance.. e.g. Tiesto.. joking heheh
But for sure this is not a good thing, 1st of all they are uploading tracks which are illegal, 2nd for my opinion we should stay on vinyl.. may be you tell me but listen they help for promotion etc, its true.. but that may be can do it your site by providing clips on your site, don't afford it? don't do it... but sites like jetgroove should be closed.
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this should clear things up a bit more......
www.trackitdown.net
check that, a legitimate mp3 for purchase downloading site, run by professionals, some of the big hitters in the dance scene (not just techno). This is how an mp3 sale site should be run....
Jetgroove my ass!
a bunch of thoughts from the past few days. i have to be quick as i've got to hit the road...
i've had my material deleted from jetgroove. not because i despise mp3s (i think it's clear that i don't so i don't think here is the place to make that justification), but because i despise the approach to business and it's potential for detrimental effects on the business in general...
i use the word business not to describe something that involves money but something that involves goods, quality control, relationships and distribution.
whilst the media is jumping up and down about launching action against 28 as yet unamed mp3 file sharers in the uk (and it's happened elsewhere too) we're seeing the genesis of what i think is a far more dangerous beast. it prooves yet again how hard and increasingly harder it will be to police the distribution of non physical goods. the law already struggles to cope with rapidly changing concepts that it wasn't put in place to legislate.
as far as jetgroove and their "legal" response is concerned, there is a clear implication that they are in possession of illegal digital copies of copyright material. it makes no difference if they are yet selling or distributing that material although obviously that would take the illegality further.
the mp3s listed of my material and most others i checked were marked as sourced from vinyl. that to me indicates that they are not sourced from the label as they would be without doubt sourced from the masters. it indicates they are actually in possession of or have access to the material. it will result in further propagating inferior quality material. i'm also concerned that it is highly damaging to existing relationships between labels and chosen legitimate businesses.
i think jetgroove is bringing to attention a much wider problem.
there's masses and masses to discuss about the benefits of digital distribution and the future of music in general but that shouldn't be confused with a discussion about dubious business practices and illegality (or the application of loopholes in a struggling international legal system).
i have to say i find it disappointing to find even free material such as my asymmetric|mp3 project appearing on soulseek, etc. it stinks of greed. what is the point...
plenty more i'd like to write but i've got to go, cheers,
inigo
www.inigokennedy.com
www.asymmetric.co.uk
some wikid points there inigo, and i think its good that someone as involved in the business as yourself has come on and put forward their comments!
im sure that if anyone tried to sue or take legal action against jetgroove wud find themselves in a complicated legal battle, as there are certains things that would be taken into account such as where they got the mp3's, did they buy the source records etc etc but basically, they are breaking the law they need to be stopped.
u have ur own mp3 based label so you've shown ur willingness to embrace the future formats that are developing and using them wisely, but i think everyone, well NEARLY everyone, agrees that these guys just have no regard for the artists, labels, companies that they are trying to make a buck out of.
a very messy affair is this one i think, and i can see it running on for a while!
Scott, I wasn't questioning the legality of Nuloop, it was a rhetorical question.
I really don't have time to sit here on a sunny Sunday arguing the toss about whether or not development is a good thing. But some might find the following news item on Jetgroove interesting, and may even want to follow the information in the last paragraph. Simple solution.
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Tuesday this week October 5th JetGroove the biggest on-line underground music provider has launched its website. On the website it offers alternative music downloads in mp3 format made by independent record labels and artists.
During first three days JetGroove received an enormous amount of attention from users, record labels, artists, authors and publishers. And this attention brought some contradictions to the light of music community. The music community was disappointed at some parts of our website and made some wrong assumptions. We wanted to clear up all misunderstandings that arose so we want to explain our position how our website is organized and business is led.
JetGroove is the unique project that we created to give the worldwide exposure to independent record labels and artists, producing alternative music. The way our website organized is:
First part of the website - music, that is represented by record labels who already signed contracts with JetGroove. These tracks are available to be purchased and downloaded.
Second part of the website - information about music that is placed on the website for promotion of independent record labels and artists. These "tracks" could not be purchased or downloaded. However they could be put ON HOLD. As soon as this happens, record label or artist to whom this track belongs is contacted with the offer of doing business with JetGroove. This greatly increases the exposure for many of the record labels.
The line that JetGroove is going to continue to follow is: LEGAL SALES ONLY. The project was created to give independents a good chance of being known in the world, and earning money, not to make them suffer again as they do from p2p systems. And the least thing JetGroove planned to do is to violate rights of record labels, publishers, artists or authors. JetGroove officially states that if you are not interested to have your tracks on www.jetgroove.com, you should contact JetGroove immediately and all the information we have about your tracks will be taken off the website ASAP.
yes thats very true, i read that statement before on jetgroove but also check this out
Second part of the website - information about music that is placed on the website for promotion of independent record labels and artists. These "tracks" could not be purchased or downloaded. However they could be put ON HOLD. As soon as this happens, record label or artist to whom this track belongs is contacted with the offer of doing business with JetGroove. This greatly increases the exposure for many of the record labels.
anyone with even a tad of respect for the artists they are trying to sell should know that this is not the way to do business!!!
its just me setting up an mp3 site with pop bands stuff, then listing everyone from Abba to Westlife, offering their music for sale, then going "oh actually, i forgot to get in touch with them to ask if it was ok to sell their stuff, i best do it now when they are extremely pissed off because ive been advertising their music for sale illegally"
if you dont have the time to argue the toss then why are u? im starting to think youve got a vested interest in jetgroove mate!
development is a good think yes, www.trackitdown.net, theres a good example of development that i posted earlier, check it out mate and see the difference
there is a big difference between development and scheming
I think we are streching this thing a lot, listen people, in Malta we have a problem, and this is that the people argue but they don't actions, and I think here is happening the same.
I mean, ok, you are sending e-mail to the bulgarian or whatever his surname is, I don't care, he can be from Mars from me, is there anyone outthere who is ready to sue him?
If we don't stop these people they will continue to do these things. There are no central authority or geverning body running the internet, that results to less control of the web domains, I think when some one will buy a web-domain have to give specifications what he/she will upload on the site, and in cases like this have to show legal statements infront.
Come one, we are in 2004!
did anyone asked for jetgroove to remove theyr stuff from the site??
what happened??
legal actions in russia?? u must be joking or are very naive
if they r really (and it seems so)doing illegal stuff theres only one way
starts with an H and finishs with a K everything else (leagal attourneys is pure fantasy in acountry dominated by corruption)
also ive heard in slovenia and many other places around this happens ...
sad...
people must do something...(and the only thing to do is this cases is answer in the same way...i hope understand...)
I asked them to remove the Goathead releases, since I dont think I will ever work with them after the way that they acted.
But the releases are still up there... Have sent some more emails today, so lets see what happens
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he has is moments. he actually got me listening to acid techno back a few years ago when we went to an acid party in montreal and introduced me to DDr, Roland the Bastard, Chris libeator and others in a bar near the party.
btw it was good to meet you SummerofSam outside of hardnoise.
I think this is where we differ, I don't believe in the established way of doing business, or in the 'rules' - at the end of the day I see it as evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
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if you dont have the time to argue the toss then why are u? im starting to think youve got a vested interest in jetgroove mate!
@S E - Please can you let us know if you have any problems or delays in getting your music removed from Jetgroove - they have made a promise in that respect, and if they don't stand by that then I would say they are being dodge.
Goathead 002 is down, but GH001 is still up there.
I think this is where we differ, I don't believe in the established way of doing business, or in the 'rules' - at the end of the day I see it as evolution
u got a might strange idea of evolution dude, evolution is something that helps us to move forward and develop, and these guys arent helping anyone to do that at all
No, evolution is a natural process.. technically what Jetgroove is doing is possible, therefore it's happened - if it hadn't have been Jetgroove it would have been someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
it doesnt matter whose doing it dude, its what they have done thats the problem
and developing and moving forward is a natural process dude, thanks for backing up my own point ;)
Jesus Christ. OK, I bow down to you scott you've clearly got me there.
its got nothing to do with Jesus mate ;)
evolution doesnt necesarilly means moving forward for one specie. look at the whales, they r so pathetic they r gonna vanish soon!
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look at the whales, they r so pathetic they r gonna vanish soon!
erm, yeah, look at the rainforests, they could do with evolving to, about time they grew steal trunks to deter them being cut down :eh: :?:
yeah exactly my point.
yea looks like evolution really aint goin well for whales, trees and artists that dont want jetgroove kinda buisness :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
altho i dont get u ppl...if they sell even 1 of yer recs (even in this way) its still a good thing for you and the scene, rite? altho i aint really sure who'd wanna buy records like this.....it sure does sound fishy
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Originally Posted by Miromiric
what in the ****. pathetic my ass.. look at the hrvatski's. what are they still doing here anyways? <3
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Originally Posted by Adverse
hey wait till the world starts nukin itself! who d **** will ever nuke croatia? NOONE, we ll survive, ergo we r uber.
LoL if the nukes were dropped the whales would probably survive. The ultimate irony :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Miromiric
Back on topic...
Aren’t copywrite laws international? If so then how come we are debating its legality? I mean as far as I know they broke the law when they advertised tracks which have been copied from another format. That can be Mp3, ripping from vinyl, cd , etc.
And the proof of that is in the fact that they have unofficial music on the site (butties). Also to advertise such music is false advertising? Not because they don’t have it in stock but because the item is not for sale!
So basically we have a group of people who are selling music that’s not even released (in some cases) which has been copied from another format without asking both the labels and the artist. That to me is so blatantly disrespectful and there’s no ‘if’s’ or ‘but’s’ about it
I think it’s in the best interests of everyone that people don’t support this site. As a matter of principal not for what it stands for but for how it was done. You encourage this kind of practice and you’ll end up with loads of sites like this. Who’s to say they are going to be straight with you? I mean they already crossed the line when they broke the law and have already shown no respect for anyone involved in putting this music out.
Someone should setup another site like it and then actually ask for the permission before advertising the shit. Not everyone want there music to be sold on mp3
My 2 cents
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Originally Posted by The Divide
this why i am upset. well said boss.
I don't think that copyright laws ARE international - that's really the crux of the argument - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05...sian_mp3_site/Quote:
Originally Posted by The Divide
Loads of companies already have.Quote:
Someone should setup another site like it and then actually ask for the permission before advertising the shit. Not everyone want there music to be sold on mp3