What is Schranz?

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Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee

Techno produced on 120 BPM can still be hard,
doesn't always have to increase in speed.

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+ or - bmps isnt the criteria for or hardiness or quality, the idea is important..

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Originally Posted by koma

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Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee

Techno produced on 120 BPM can still be hard,
doesn't always have to increase in speed.

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+ or - bmps isnt the criteria for or hardiness or quality, the idea is important..

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the idea is the most important thing in any music.
i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

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Originally Posted by davethedrummer

i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

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I really have to disagree with that boss, i think that all techno has a kind of a base sound which defines what style you put it into and the schranz sound is seriously going places and has infinate posiblilitys, from my point of view its the one style thats really floating my boat at the moment,,,,,,, but then again due to my short attension span ive not read all of the posts but I would define schranz as amok, natus, boris s etc and im not sure wether im wrong and other people define it as liebling etc (I hate genres).... if it is the liebling sound your refering to then ignore this, but from the point of view of labels like skull, combat skill, etc thats the shit at the minute (IMO)

all hard techno past 2003 is classed as schranz maybe... ;)

all that dark shit thats coming out of spain at the moment is the 'real' hard techno imo. gritty,soulful with real depth to it.

im absolutely appalled by some of that stuff on skull etc....that aint techno to me,its proper wishy washy made in 10 minutes stuff and i must admit in the past im guilty of buying it. :oops: anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

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I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later.. :eh:

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Originally Posted by koma

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

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I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later.. :eh:

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exactly the same track but with 'piss off' instead of '**** you'.
how the hell can you get away with that? :nono: :doh:

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Originally Posted by eyes without a face

schranz shmanz..... but sayin that i have one Boris S record that does kick ass, "weapons of evil" or something, but there was that big debate a while back about skull tunes rippin others work and i think its fair to say that in the Schranz game this goes on alot between all parties but is sometimes just overlooked.... i have a different view on production and come from the group of artists who like to actually write their tracks and i just find all that schranz stuff at the moment a bit to unpersonal and the easy option production wise

but there is a market for it obviously, i used to love hard techno but just think its at an extremely low point at the moment!

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agreed scot its wot im trying to say, but i think skull have been a bit more original than some of the others take no 1 for instence blinding track. anyway at least we can agree there is a problem here . but anyways back to this thread + schranz good stuff but still in nappy stages in most cases ,but hey these kids will learn and who knows wot they will become in a few years, hopfully there sound will become better. ;)

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Originally Posted by FUSION

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Originally Posted by davethedrummer

i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

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I really have to disagree with that boss, i think that all techno has a kind of a base sound which defines what style you put it into and the schranz sound is seriously going places and has infinate posiblilitys, from my point of view its the one style thats really floating my boat at the moment,,,,,,, but then again due to my short attension span ive not read all of the posts but I would define schranz as amok, natus, boris s etc and im not sure wether im wrong and other people define it as liebling etc (I hate genres).... if it is the liebling sound your refering to then ignore this, but from the point of view of labels like skull, combat skill, etc thats the shit at the minute (IMO)

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yea fusion im even cofussed now after reading about leibing etc maddness! anyway the labels you mention are all good, but like henry is saying in his post there are limited ideas and every 1 like i said in another post seems to be steeling off each other. but hey i am a kean supporter of this music as you well no, i just feel its still in development and needs to grow, you have to fish through the crap to get the good stuff! ;) but still the good stuff keeps ya grinding ya teeth all day long> :rambo: love it man. ;)

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Originally Posted by speed-it-up

Pardon my ignorance, but I keep reading people refering to it on this board, but have no idea what it is. :eh:

What labels/djs are knocking it out?

Seems to me that the pidgeon holing of genres is getting out of control...

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It's minimal hard house through a distortion pedal.

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

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Originally Posted by koma

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

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I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later.. :eh:

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exactly the same track but with 'piss off' instead of '**** you'.
how the hell can you get away with that? :nono: :doh:

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wasent gunna say nowt about that frank but yea! you hit the nail on the head there, that really pissed me off + coming from skull to ,they are hit + miss like most stuff but that surly was a blatent 1 straight in ya face that just gives out a message of im only putting this track out with a diffrent sample because i cant be assed to create somthing new, he deserves a good old techno spanking for that. ;) guy mcaffer does it to in this country same loop diffrent sequence wen is that guy gunna change that set of percussion on r.a.w nothing against the lad but its becoming a bit weathered + boring now. anyway back to this thread that fuk you tune was great, but that piss off was just completly out of order , im totaly with ya on that 1 dood. ;)

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Originally Posted by speed-it-up

Pardon my ignorance, but I keep reading people refering to it on this board, but have no idea what it is. :eh:

What labels/djs are knocking it out?

Seems to me that the pidgeon holing of genres is getting out of control...

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In a nut shell imo... Its hard, fast distorted minmal techno, and I will admitt along side a crazy set it can be a great tool. However I don't fancy a whole set of it... names to chekc out DJ Amok, OBI, Tomash Gee, Arkus P, Chris Noise, Chris Hi Hat, Skarabex.. That should be good for now

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Originally Posted by jon connor

yea fusion im even cofussed now after reading about leibing etc maddness! anyway the labels you mention are all good, but like henry is saying in his post there are limited ideas and every 1 like i said in another post seems to be steeling off each other. but hey i am a kean supporter of this music as you well no, i just feel its still in development and needs to grow, you have to fish through the crap to get the good stuff! ;) but still the good stuff keeps ya grinding ya teeth all day long> :rambo: love it man. ;)

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thing is I dont get that stealing off each other limited ideas stuff as all the "schranz" combat skill, artilery etc stuff I have ever bought is spot on original 100% no ripping fresh sounding techno,,,,,,, from my point of view its a relief from all the limited sounding bastard son of acid techno and boring exagerated loop shit that has filled my record box for the last year or so, so its all good, Im even aware that because its big in europe there is a load of shite "I wanna be amok" stuff circulating but to be fair Ive never heard none of it (maybe im lucky),,,,,,,,,,, dont mean to offend anyone with this post its just at the minute my definition of schranz is keeping me from constant slayer and operation ivy and i really belive its giving the techno sceane a whole new face and a much needed kick up the arse, its bringing the gabba and speedcore heads in and the increase in intensity is just what alot of people needed :twisted: IMO

to be fair though i rekon that post sounded like im slagging off every other type of techno, didnt mean it like that, the schranz is for the last 3 or 4 (or half ;) ) of the set, the point i was trying to make is its a different dimension to add to my glitch, hydraulix, bound, LK rec stylee and i rekon that its just a relief to have more weapons at my disposal, really cant see any bad points about it at all IMO

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Originally Posted by FUSION

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Originally Posted by jon connor

yea fusion im even cofussed now after reading about leibing etc maddness! anyway the labels you mention are all good, but like henry is saying in his post there are limited ideas and every 1 like i said in another post seems to be steeling off each other. but hey i am a kean supporter of this music as you well no, i just feel its still in development and needs to grow, you have to fish through the crap to get the good stuff! ;) but still the good stuff keeps ya grinding ya teeth all day long> :rambo: love it man. ;)

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thing is I dont get that stealing off each other limited ideas stuff as all the "schranz" combat skill, artilery etc stuff I have ever bought is spot on original 100% no ripping fresh sounding techno,,,,,,, from my point of view its a relief from all the limited sounding bastard son of acid techno and boring exagerated loop shit that has filled my record box for the last year or so, so its all good, Im even aware that because its big in europe there is a load of shite "I wanna be amok" stuff circulating but to be fair Ive never heard none of it (maybe im lucky),,,,,,,,,,, dont mean to offend anyone with this post its just at the minute my definition of schranz is keeping me from constant slayer and operation ivy and i really belive its giving the techno sceane a whole new face and a much needed kick up the arse, its bringing the gabba and speedcore heads in and the increase in intensity is just what alot of people needed :twisted: IMO

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easy now fusion i no exactly where you coming from i was a North resident for 4 years + yes wen i first started dropping these tracks the gabba heads hardcore techno lot loved it ,no 1 new wot the hell i was playing, in the end even the trance djs were trainspotting my stuff, so yes we on the same level there dude!

however there is a lot of ripping going on mabey not so much on the labels you talk of but a lot, i dont wanna mention artists who doing it because most of them have sent me demos, ive about 85 demo cds here for supertech from all over the world by artists you have named even, you will be suprised ;) + you will also be suprised at how many have the same loops in from big boys + upcoming lads. anyway its moving forward and im doing it with my label in this country, is the whole reason i started it.
it is the new age techno whether people like it or not but yet still early days, like i said there is a lot more to come and these artist will develope even further. :rambo:

does any 1 no wot schranz means in english or is it just a made up german word ?

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Originally Posted by FUSION

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yea fusion im even cofussed now after reading about leibing etc maddness! anyway the labels you mention are all good, but like henry is saying in his post there are limited ideas and every 1 like i said in another post seems to be steeling off each other. but hey i am a kean supporter of this music as you well no, i just feel its still in development and needs to grow, you have to fish through the crap to get the good stuff! ;) but still the good stuff keeps ya grinding ya teeth all day long> :rambo: love it man. ;)

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thing is I dont get that stealing off each other limited ideas stuff as all the "schranz" combat skill, artilery etc stuff I have ever bought is spot on original 100% no ripping fresh sounding techno,,,,,,, from my point of view its a relief from all the limited sounding bastard son of acid techno and boring exagerated loop shit that has filled my record box for the last year or so, so its all good, Im even aware that because its big in europe there is a load of shite "I wanna be amok" stuff circulating but to be fair Ive never heard none of it (maybe im lucky),,,,,,,,,,, dont mean to offend anyone with this post its just at the minute my definition of schranz is keeping me from constant slayer and operation ivy and i really belive its giving the techno sceane a whole new face and a much needed kick up the arse, its bringing the gabba and speedcore heads in and the increase in intensity is just what alot of people needed :twisted: IMO

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easy now fusion i no exactly where you coming from i was a North resident for 4 years + yes wen i first started dropping these tracks the gabba heads hardcore techno lot loved it ,no 1 new wot the hell i was playing, in the end even the trance djs were trainspotting my stuff, so yes we on the same level there dude!

however there is a lot of ripping going on mabey not so much on the labels you talk of but a lot, i dont wanna mention artists who doing it because most of them have sent me demos, ive about 85 demo cds here for supertech from all over the world by artists you have named even, you will be suprised ;) + you will also be suprised at how many have the same loops in from big boys + upcoming lads. anyway its moving forward and im doing it with my label in this country, is the whole reason i started it.
it is the new age techno whether people like it or not but yet still early days, like i said there is a lot more to come and these artist will develope even further. :rambo:

does any 1 no wot schranz means in english or is it just a made up german word ?

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totally made up word.......i asked my german mate in manchester not so long ago what it meant and he said the word doesnt even exist. :crackup:

i read somewhere its "schrei + tanz = schranz"
tanz is dance, schrei.. I forgot :lol:

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Originally Posted by jon connor

wasent gunna say nowt about that frank but yea! you hit the nail on the head there, that really pissed me off + coming from skull to ,they are hit + miss like most stuff but that surly was a blatent 1 straight in ya face that just gives out a message of im only putting this track out with a diffrent sample because i cant be assed to create somthing new, he deserves a good old techno spanking for that. ;) guy mcaffer does it to in this country same loop diffrent sequence wen is that guy gunna change that set of percussion on r.a.w nothing against the lad but its becoming a bit weathered + boring now. anyway back to this thread that fuk you tune was great, but that piss off was just completly out of order , im totaly with ya on that 1 dood. ;)

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haha maybe someone found it too offensive, so instead of censoring it, they released the same song with another words.. it would be sad excuse, but u never know :lol:

heh, believe me, I've heard djs playing this record and then silencing the "f**k you" part..

on some other occasions I would come to me friend and instead of saying "cmon man, play that f**k you tune", I would just yell "ey, f**k u" :lol: :lol:

hmmm, lots of f**king in this post, sorry..

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Originally Posted by koma

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Originally Posted by jon connor

wasent gunna say nowt about that frank but yea! you hit the nail on the head there, that really pissed me off + coming from skull to ,they are hit + miss like most stuff but that surly was a blatent 1 straight in ya face that just gives out a message of im only putting this track out with a diffrent sample because i cant be assed to create somthing new, he deserves a good old techno spanking for that. ;) guy mcaffer does it to in this country same loop diffrent sequence wen is that guy gunna change that set of percussion on r.a.w nothing against the lad but its becoming a bit weathered + boring now. anyway back to this thread that fuk you tune was great, but that piss off was just completly out of order , im totaly with ya on that 1 dood. ;)

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haha maybe someone found it too offensive, so instead of censoring it, they released the same song with another words.. it would be sad excuse, but u never know :lol:

heh, believe me, I've heard djs playing this record and then silencing the "f**k you" part..

on some other occasions I would come to me friend and instead of saying "cmon man, play that f**k you tune", I would just yell "ey, f**k u" :lol: :lol:

hmmm, lots of f**king in this post, sorry..

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yea man! its great the dance floor loves it especially the young lot, but the piss off thing was a bit silly he could of at least made a diffrent track to compensate it rather than just swop sample round as if no 1 would notice. ;)

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Originally Posted by jon connor

easy now fusion i no exactly where you coming from i was a North resident for 4 years + yes wen i first started dropping these tracks the gabba heads hardcore techno lot loved it ,no 1 new wot the hell i was playing, in the end even the trance djs were trainspotting my stuff, so yes we on the same level there dude!

however there is a lot of ripping going on mabey not so much on the labels you talk of but a lot, i dont wanna mention artists who doing it because most of them have sent me demos, ive about 85 demo cds here for supertech from all over the world by artists you have named even, you will be suprised ;) + you will also be suprised at how many have the same loops in from big boys + upcoming lads. anyway its moving forward and im doing it with my label in this country, is the whole reason i started it.
it is the new age techno whether people like it or not but yet still early days, like i said there is a lot more to come and these artist will develope even further. :rambo:

does any 1 no wot schranz means in english or is it just a made up german word ?

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hahaha ****ing hell my last post sounded well aggressive, I know you know where im comin from jon was just board drunk and on one ;) didnt mean it to come out so full on :lol: ...... schranz in english I belive translates as "death from above" :lol:

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Originally Posted by jon connor

easy now fusion i no exactly where you coming from i was a North resident for 4 years + yes wen i first started dropping these tracks the gabba heads hardcore techno lot loved it ,no 1 new wot the hell i was playing, in the end even the trance djs were trainspotting my stuff, so yes we on the same level there dude!

however there is a lot of ripping going on mabey not so much on the labels you talk of but a lot, i dont wanna mention artists who doing it because most of them have sent me demos, ive about 85 demo cds here for supertech from all over the world by artists you have named even, you will be suprised ;) + you will also be suprised at how many have the same loops in from big boys + upcoming lads. anyway its moving forward and im doing it with my label in this country, is the whole reason i started it.
it is the new age techno whether people like it or not but yet still early days, like i said there is a lot more to come and these artist will develope even further. :rambo:

does any 1 no wot schranz means in english or is it just a made up german word ?

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hahaha ****ing hell my last post sounded well aggressive, I know you know where im comin from jon was just board drunk and on one ;) didnt mean it to come out so full on :lol: ...... schranz in english I belive translates as "death from above" :lol:

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no probs fusion hahahaha! ive done it me self on vodka! :lol:
anyway we can all agree this music is going places like i said before its a good little pide piper to kids ,for getting into techno its all good dude. reel them in with some bangin filth wilst still dropping the norm hard techno tracks inbetween, ive done it my self + it works + is a positive strength in the techno scene at the minute. :rambo: absoultly bloody marveless if you ask me ;)

yeah its sound for them once the kids have got bored of hard house/hardstyle.

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

yeah its sound for them once the kids have got bored of hard house/hardstyle.

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yea frank its good + bad ,im amazed at how many hard house djz have turned techno, + even the likes of judge jools with robert natus etc, its crazy stuff! only thing is wot they doing it for ? im curious ?

anyways this schranz stuff does attract more people to techno whitch is a good thing ,only i can see it attracts sum hungry money men to ,this causes problems for hard techno artists as a whole where as people are getting paid far to much for playing another mans music, more than whitch the artist who actually write the music are.
its a funny situation .
just got to live with it i suppose, i feel its a shame wen theres guys that have been trying to push there selves for years as a dedicated hard techno artist ,+ then all of a sudden a big fleet of of hard house djz + comersial djz cum alaong and basicaly cause caos . people get pissed off!
you feel robbed sort of thing! ;)

whether its a made up word or not, this style of music came along when i was looking for something fresh. at that time kay d smith, sven wittekind, robert natus, amok, boris s etc were giving us something new and ball breakingly hard. i like my techno banging, so i was well chuffed to be finding these records!! i cant have been the only one otherwise it just would have faded and died, but its still going strong, and the producers who know the score have developed the sound really well. like most forms of music which become popular, there will be low quality rip offs, but the producers who pioneered this sound are still making original music. i saw sven wittekind at locked recently, and he played a whole set of the stuff and it was ****ing great, it was like being at the techno version of a slayer gig!!! you cant please all the people all the time, theres far too much 'i like this techno' 'i like that techno'. the original thread was 'what is it?' not 'argue amongst amongst yourselves and get nowhere'.

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whether its a made up word or not, this style of music came along when i was looking for something fresh. at that time kay d smith, sven wittekind, robert natus, amok, boris s etc were giving us something new and ball breakingly hard. i like my techno banging, so i was well chuffed to be finding these records!! i cant have been the only one otherwise it just would have faded and died, but its still going strong, and the producers who know the score have developed the sound really well. like most forms of music which become popular, there will be low quality rip offs, but the producers who pioneered this sound are still making original music. i saw sven wittekind at locked recently, and he played a whole set of the stuff and it was **** great, it was like being at the techno version of a slayer gig!!! you cant please all the people all the time, theres far too much 'i like this techno' 'i like that techno'. the original thread was 'what is it?' not 'argue amongst amongst yourselves and get nowhere'.

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yea man i totally agree with your comments as a fellow artist who supports this music, the thing is i love all styles of techno,i wouldent want to go to a club + listen to schranz all night,more of case where the promoters have thought out there line up in nice manner where you can build up to this stuff ,let the club work its way up sorta thing, ;)
its easily to get board easliy if its playing all night, ;)

i dont think there is a case of arguing amonst our selves ,most of us love this music we just talking about a few high + lows , its fresh like you say so its boun to be a bit debateable dude!
but as a whole WOT IS SCHRANZ ? disgusting hard techno that make`s you dance your ass off!, a new genere, a stepping stone in the right direction for techno ,absolutly cracking music! :rambo:

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

yeah its sound for them once the kids have got bored of hard house/hardstyle.

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yea frank its good + bad ,im amazed at how many hard house djz have turned techno, + even the likes of judge jools with robert natus etc, its crazy stuff! only thing is wot they doing it for ? im curious ?

anyways this schranz stuff does attract more people to techno whitch is a good thing ,only i can see it attracts sum hungry money men to ,this causes problems for hard techno artists as a whole where as people are getting paid far to much for playing another mans music, more than whitch the artist who actually write the music are.
its a funny situation .
just got to live with it i suppose, i feel its a shame wen theres guys that have been trying to push there selves for years as a dedicated hard techno artist ,+ then all of a sudden a big fleet of of hard house djz + comersial djz cum alaong and basicaly cause caos . people get pissed off!
you feel robbed sort of thing! ;)

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dude yoyr right about the was schraz pulls ppl , its pulld me from the hardcore techno/speedcore etc scene and now i dont even play the stuff , it show hard it can get still for me but some stuff does sound boreing ..

if i dont make sence its coz im ****ed ontrips :!:

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Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit

yeah its sound for them once the kids have got bored of hard house/hardstyle.

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yea frank its good + bad ,im amazed at how many hard house djz have turned techno, + even the likes of judge jools with robert natus etc, its crazy stuff! only thing is wot they doing it for ? im curious ?

anyways this schranz stuff does attract more people to techno whitch is a good thing ,only i can see it attracts sum hungry money men to ,this causes problems for hard techno artists as a whole where as people are getting paid far to much for playing another mans music, more than whitch the artist who actually write the music are.
its a funny situation .
just got to live with it i suppose, i feel its a shame wen theres guys that have been trying to push there selves for years as a dedicated hard techno artist ,+ then all of a sudden a big fleet of of hard house djz + comersial djz cum alaong and basicaly cause caos . people get pissed off!
you feel robbed sort of thing! ;)

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dude yoyr right about the was schraz pulls ppl , its pulld me from the hardcore techno/speedcore etc scene and now i dont even play the stuff , it show hard it can get still for me but some stuff does sound boreing ..

if i dont make sence its coz im **** ontrips :!:

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:lol: savage nick! hahahahahaha!!! :mashed: