Whatever happened to dance music.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidTrash
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Whatever happened to dance music.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidTrash
is it really getting that smaller? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
Glitch records. Probably the best techno I've ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit
I say that because if I said techno people would think "proper techno" and if I say hard dance someone will think hard house/hardstyle/trance. There's always one pedantic bastard whop makes it difficult. Dance is a usable term but I'm sure someone could split that hair too.Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
If you beleive any of the recent threads on here it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit
yeah sorry, not really in agreement. the music i play out most often right now is 4/4 kick drum based music and is exploding all over europe. filling everything from big clubs to small bars and selling very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidTrash
if you've shackled your artistic life to one creatively sinking ship, to then jump ship and change your style and label it up as something else out of desperation for the quogmire you're facing, then where has the determination gone for the sound you supposedly had so much passion for in the first place. it reaks of artistic unpleasantness.
mr drummer is one of the only people i can give any respect to in this scenario. for doing what he's done for years, then when the clubs styles have been forcably moulded, he's well in the postion to keep on doing what he's doing, and even for the fans who may have felt miffed at his apparent departure, they cant really complain cos he's prob still churning out high quyality productions and their respect for him would still remain intact and their miffed-ness manifests itself as scepticism of the morals of HH djs who 'suddenly' discover their latent love of techno they 'always' had.
but for it to go the other way, nah! a hard house producer/dj converting to a techno one just wouldnt happen. its still hard house but with more ingredients, because they've hit the end of the road with the limitations that they'd given themselves.
alex claver: his discogs list looks like a HH producer but with the word techno used as misplaced generalising descriptive term. a few releases on hydraulix dont make up for the amount of releases on tidy trax, and that kind of sums it up for me.
This thread again? :roll:
Quite simply...
GOOD MUSIC IS GOOD MUSIC!
Alex Calver has got a release coming out on one of Robert Natus's labels very soon, id class that as a techno producer!!!
Glitch records. Probably the best techno I've ever heard.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidTrash
just checked a soundclip on juno
http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=alex+calver
sorry but if that's what you call techno...
just checked a soundclip on junoQuote:
Originally Posted by darkside
http://www.juno.co.uk/search.php?q=alex+calver
sorry but if that's what you call techno...[/quote]
jesus christ....thats absolutely awful.
1st time id listened to an alex calver track and this will be the last. NONE of them tunes on that juno list are worthy of more that a 2 second listen. awful!
jesus christ....thats absolutely awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit
1st time id listened to an alex calver track and this will be the last. NONE of them tunes on that juno list are worthy of more that a 2 second listen. awful![/quote]
had a listen too...that aint techno....and it even says so on the page.....hardhouse
yup...had a listen myself on chemical at both the techno and hardhoose
alex calver has on there...and it all sounded the same to me ie hardhoose
only difference was there was less of a break down on the techno tracks..
:dontevengothere:
Alex Calver posts on BOA so maybe ask him whether he thinks it's HH or techno.
http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/phpBB...ile&u=1774
Id say his stuff is close to London techno imo!!!
Ive deffinately heard a hell of alot worse.
The Glitch one is OK, well one track on it is anyway.
why?? imo it doesnt sound like techno...Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick
yep, and HH doesnt fit in that description, as axiomatic as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Si the Sigh
cheers mate youve just given me a wicked tune title :)
Louk
As much as I do not like HH, I have no problem with HH DJ's & producers doing techno. It's up to them & who are to judge? If you don't like it then you don't have to listen to it, simple as that. If they're not into for genuine reasons then they won't last long so it's nothing to be worried about. Techno was here before HH dj's got involved and will be long after, so just enjoy your techno & stop worrying about the others.
We all have different tastes at the end of the day, if we didn't, it would be very boring but then we'd moan about that too ;)
Allready gave up for years
to join these kind of discussions.
who gives a ****???
i don't!!!
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Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee
too right... who gives a shit! stop bitchin an go buy/make/mix/listen to some techno :lol:
i think the point that people get pissed off with hard house djs trance djs wot ever in that music is this,,,,,,,i dont no if any of you hear have experienced it but i have. for years ive played techno in these kind of clubs also i won a big competition 5 years ago as a youngster at North.
the problem i faced was constant bitching,,,,,things like wots that s.h.i.t you playing.people in the competition saying it was a fix because i playe twisted crap.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! so for years at venues in the sordidid world of dj bitching i was lets say a bit peeved with the constant slagging of the music i was trying to play..........seems now is the case most of the partys concerned here with the abuse i received are now playing techno.......an almost overnight conversion........so are these people genuinely into techno or are they just playing it because it seems to be in fashion at the moment.
im not saying every hard house hard style etc artist are the same but i have had my fare share of abuse like other artists from sum guys who are now playing are sound they slagged off in the first place.
i dont want to raise an issiue but more of a point here,,,i dont care who plays techno im not bothered im happy techno is on the up. the thing i get concerned about is the way in this country we seem to have a rather high speed band wagon..... :eh:
hahaha At least something good has come from this thread. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louk
hmmmmm dont know what to say on this subject realy the only sort of post I can come up with would be negative im afraid.
I must agree with Tony the most and I can realy relate to what Jon Conner is saying the people who have been telling me Techno is w*nk for years are now trying educate me on the subject when its evident that they only know a little about it BUT whos to say people cannot change their minds on what they like not me anyway.
and thats the most posative answer I have for a load of hard house peeps jumping on to the techno bandwagon and polluting my precious techno :cry:
:lol:
Basicley my point is this
people are free to do whatever they want with music.I try to not let it affect me.
But sadly it does seem to affect me dont know why,maybe its to do with the amount of passion I put in to the full Techno life and im starting to feel a bit pesicuted myself for being a bit of a purist by people who imo dont have a clue what its realy about and just seem to be lodging in the next big thing but maybe they have different ideas on what its about.
We will see who is still techno when the next fad is happening then they will get my respect(not that my respect is worth shit to anyone who doesnt know me or anyone attall for that matter im just not that important realy)
That about sums up how I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
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Originally Posted by gumpy green
had a listen too...that aint techno....and it even says so on the page.....hardhouse[/quote]
You need to check out glitch 6. Probably the best techno I own at the moment.
....ask someone who doesn't listen to any of the many various sub genres of techno and you know what they will call it.....Techno...no matter if it is hard house, acid, trance, etc. Imo this outlook is bang on and if it sounds good and floats your boat....****ing play it and keep the sets interesting.
What u suggest then mate? Should i stop making music altogether? Maybe i'll throw away all my records too and cancel my gigs. Obviously u seem to have some kind of musical authority and insight. Maybe we could arrange for you to share your production blueprints with me and i could attempt to make tracks to cater for your particular requirements. Or maybe i should'nt even be on YOUR forum and i should f*** off back to hardhouse where i belong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dogshit
Pass me my coat on the way out, cheers
Pass me my coat on the way out, cheers
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
You can spot these dodgy HH producers a mile off. HH is created soley for the dancefloor and producers are influenced by things as diverse as the vacuum cleaner, to try to take this mentality over to the techno scene is wrong. Techno artists are obviously influenced by a far wider range of music and it shows in the quality of productions. For a HH producer/DJ to try to pass himself off as having any credibilty within the techno scene, they're going to have to do a bit of research. You can't just turn up with a bag of pounders and expect the crowd to go wild at a techno night, there has to be some thought behind it. The fact that techno tunes are so well produced compared to your average tidy realease means they stand out a mile in a HH club so they are obviously going to get a better reaction.
The crowds at techno clubs are usually far more clued up about the music and that is the reason they go to the night. This creates a special atmosphere in the club that I think people are passionate about protecting. I would hate to go down to a techno night and it be full of cyber spackers tw@tted on ket having gurn offs with each other. So to say that it doesn't matter if people know about the music or not is also wrong.
Just to add, those Alex Calver tracks on Juno are shite and are a perfect example of what I just said.
Fanny hair
ball bag :lol:
behave lads :nono: techno is going great at the moment lets cut down the bitching and get on with it...we can all accept a lot of djs and artist are turning techno from wherever music genere they come . the only thing i ask is if the hard house scene wants to go more techno is that they educate there followers more on the sound we all love. introduce producers on there vynyl from the techno scene like already i can see alex has dave drummer involved. cool that means people who dont no dave drummer will do now and if they are into mixing mabey look for his work......so i think it will help in the increase of vynyl sales in the hard techno scene only if people are aducated properly ,more information availble to the people getting into techno for the first time.if a hard house event wants to put techno artist on then there should be loads of info availble for people to no who they are.
as a former promoter i had a major problem with the fact that i wanted to bring a big techno artist to the club but the case is how to pull a big crowd with them. :eh:
i mean somone like henrik b or kay d smith or whoever..........it was a big problem the fact i couldent get a big enough crowd for foriegn quality techno artist.
so guys thay aint no stopping the techno because its coming in like a mother ------ u nos it .so please hard house guys try be a bit more wide spread with your work and try educate your people. if all goes ok vynyl sales will increase because a lot more youngsters will be comming into the record shops and asking for techno. so there are a lot of good points aswell as bad points of hard house djs going techno.
Remember " the meaning of techno is wot each of us brings to it "
;)
I wouldn't say they are turning techno, more robbing ideas cos their own sound is so stale.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon connor
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Originally Posted by Tony
http://www.jamesshuggins.com/i/web1/hammer_and_nail.jpg
What a 6 page length of scraggy shit encrusted bog roll across a warehouse floor this thread is.
No one here OWNS techno, or any other form of music - if I'm mistaken please put me in my place. There is shit music in every subsubsubgenre, therefore it's IMPOSSIBLE to make sweeping statements like 'techno artists are more musical than hard house artists' or 'techno clubs are full of more clued up people' - what a load of utter sweaty bollocks. And WHAT a waste of time. Seriously, I hope I never end up at an afterparty with many people commenting here, I'd end up drowning myself in the bath rather than deal with blocking out the ridiculousness of message board experts telling me 'how it is' - get off your high [trojan] horses.
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Originally Posted by jon connor
agreed. those with conscience should bear a metaphoric cattle prod to keep them off, wther your on the bnad wagon since it began rolling, or your by its side merely getting annoyed at the fickle ****ers.
dzzzz, have that!! :lol:
i hate this island
dont you dare cancel your gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Calver
you better be at atomic energy on saturday or else :rambo: :lol: ;)
well said!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
:clap: :notworthy: :lol:
classic post that fitipaldi :lol:
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Originally Posted by fitipaldi
brilliant! think thats one of the best comments made on this board. :clap:
Rubbish, it's 17 lines of sweeping generalisation. As for the hoover statement, I'm almost crying at this... fitipaldi, do you really think that the 'hoover' sound aka the mentasm sound is sampled from a vacuum cleaner? Do you think Smarties are called Smarties because they make you clever, or that Mars bars really DO come from Mars?
excellent...good to see you can count properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
in my eyes hes absolutely spot on regarding hard house tunes being purely for the dancefloor...how can you argue against that? at least if your going to put out so called techno tracks at least put a decent deal of thought into it so it doesnt resemble the latest tidy track(in which it does). its the sort of techno that you wouldnt give more than a needles dust to while listening to it in a record shop.
sorry if you dont agree with any of this but i'd probably pack up goin to techno nights if this sort of shit started infiltrating the nights i went to. :dontevengothere:
Don't patronise me dick head, if you want to talk about techno then fair enough. If you like techno and attend many of the quality techno nights throughout the country which promoters try so hard to keep special then surely you would object to this type of thing infiltrating your nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/music/...tecrasher2.jpg
I prefer that to snobby trainspotter elitism - and if you don't want to be patronised, dont say ridiculous things. And i've been promoting for ten years.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/graham....c/spotters.jpg
Awaiting the Juno update, Monday January 31st 2004 - [There's strangers on the track]
what gives you the right to assume that you are right and they are wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
type of thing :shock: your attitude sucks mr :rambo:Quote:
Originally Posted by fitipaldi
i know,maybe some of you techno snobs should write a rule book.
who is and isnt allowed in the techno scene.
ive already been told im not wanted due to liking hardhouse and other styles as well as techno.
now it seems dress sense is also an issue.
im 35,i expect thats too old also :roll:
i have spoken to a few techno dj's and promotors who wont post on this forum because of the way some of your are with your attitude.
lucky for me i know not everyone in the techno scene is the same.
if this was the only place i could read and learn stuff id prob think alot of you could stick your music where the sun dont shine to be honest.
ok you lot can carry on going off topic with your hardhouse slagging now.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-Blueship.JPGQuote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers