oh man, everyone on earth has this mix - except me :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon connor
but I was there, so I could witnessed it in first row ;)
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oh man, everyone on earth has this mix - except me :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon connor
but I was there, so I could witnessed it in first row ;)
thanks man. again agree-to many edjits...i remeber one free party we let some djs on the rig and all they did was spin backs...like every track...prob more than that.....it was a classic wanking off toomuch..... :dontevengothere:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
pity you cant come up with seb, hope your booking goes well tho.....any far far away special gig?
aye defo try come with jeff.... 7th may......
canny wait for both of them ther gonna be such good sets....
oh, .ive still to get all the audio and photos from your gig to u ....got em on pc just need to burn a copy and get it to you....
soulseek brutha...im sure itll be ther.Quote:
Originally Posted by koma
i think scratching can sound quality in a techno set, as long as its done well. guys like Damage, Clarke, space djz and claude young do it and it sounds great, not overdone but it can spice things up i reckon.
Perhaps people (including me) take music way too seriously, it's still entertainment..
The only turntablism I heard from the Space DJz is Ben Long taking 2 Adam Beyer's Vocal Image and play with them :) The rest they just mix very fast with lots of scratches and fader work..
Totally agree. I really get pissed off when a guy I know who waits for the messed up bits in cluster tunes and then applies an effect on the DJM 600 and then mimes like he's making that happen. What a tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
bit of scatching over techno ..chek these out ....a couple of clips off a recent set ;)
http://supertech.altervista.org/scratch%20demo%201.wav
http://supertech.altervista.org/scratch%20demo%202.wav
gota av a blast! short and sweat is just enough i think.....see if you guys like. :eh:
first one sounds ok......second one- no audio??Quote:
Originally Posted by jon connor
the cuts are flowing over the beat quite nice but the skratches are very very basic....ther "baby" and "stab" skratches. Im wanting to hear double timed orbits and various combos that involve extreme musical timing. double timed record movements mixed with half time fader cuts....
good stuff putting the audio up......im gonna get some audio up to support my stand point..
Props out john........
here 2 examples froma recent set i played @ jakN,edinburgh(dec)
1. This example shows jugglin with a beat stutter fx b4 the kicks com in, just to tease the crowd a couple of bars
2.This one shows some cutting over hardtek and the transition(sample trigger fx) from techno to hardtek........some flaring and chirps going on....still no wher near the level i want within techno.
i shall post some more examples to strenghing my points.....
btw way the skatach one is under 3.5mb and the juggle is only 1.6mb so will dl quick...
3. Here is an example of my Micheal Forshaw - Nervehammer routine then into a skratch over a glenn wison(valve) beat...one of his weird(er) ones on compound
this is taking from my set at a night called Dirt Houz...again in edinburgh....oh and its a wee bit longer at 6.8Mb
The nervehammer routine is a classic example of how to rmx/fuk with the vinyl and still keep them dancing.....in fact they went ape shit after the juggle on the short break when it kicked back in....made them just wait a little for the beat to come back in, just enuf to appreciate it when it did......the skratching bit was to give em a wee rest...cos they had just been "lifted"...
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
Hardtek - Spiral Tribe.
I guess you don't want them at your techno nights either...
eh........ hardtek = the french free party tekno sound..... crystal distortion, spirl tribe, etc etc....
and yes i have had hardtek at my night twice and once agin comin up next month....pzeko vrs 1QLP (33split) from france...
BUT- whats that got to do with having this contructive debate about pusihng djing forward within techno????????
who cares what its called, its the dj skills were debating....why not listen to the examples and com back with some constructive comment.
@ Gumpty Green my 'at your techno nights' comment was directed at fitipaldi btwQuote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
I reckon iit is kind of relevant to DJ skills, I think alongside technique of whatever kind it's also a skill to be able mix between all kinds of styles in a set - techno, hardtek, electro, breakcore whatever whilst maintaining momentum - sounds wicked when done well.
thought it was at fitipaldi, my reply was just incase...Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
yup me luves when its not just 145-150pbm hard loopy techn ALL the way..
youll prob appreciate the them examples as i do switch between music styles to do the tricks......and use fx etc for the transition from 145-200bpm....as you canny beatmatch em.
i'm not into the stuff you play so I won't comment. ;)
I'm more of a power rave tekno man myself
I don't have any techno nightsQuote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
yet you have a drumcode avar?????strange ive been known to mix drumcode ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fitipaldi
wot is "power rave tekno" sounds camp as fuk....;)
it is, its a new branch of power tekno harder than your average tekno but more ravey.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuK-NuT
im trying to do something positive here FOR THE SCENE, please take these silly comments that are in no way doing any good away......the post is starting to wander already to "banter" talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by fitipaldi
please get back on the program or head to the cell block h section to talk about this "power tekno nonsence"....
sure, banter is good but im trying to have a serios disscusion about something VERY important to me......and should be to real tek headz BTW.
:roll:
sorry mate, i will stop, what I am getting at has nothing to with DJ skills so I won't comment furthur.
my appologies also....good debate, carry on.... :)
no problem m8.......fell free to post a new thread if you wanna get your point across to me, always up for the debate......cheersQuote:
Originally Posted by fitipaldi
Just listened.
I still think scratching sounds cheesy and 80`s
But the other stuff I like.
:oops:
I think dance music should flow,
when i would shake ass at nyc clubs an shit when i first got into this
if you scratched or did anything like the sorts other than a flawless seamless blend a homo would throw a dildo at you
literally were talking disco 2000 days man.
nice one......Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
i cant see/hear how its cheesy, but thats just a personal taste thing, glad you said it tho, ill keep that in mind when trying to get cuts over techno beats.
sos- ima get ove to nyc , need a new dildo..... ;) sounds crazy but again this goes back to my point that techno jocks arent/werent doing it so if they tryed it, it prob did sound shit....
still waiting on that young board member reading thats gonna hear these examples, feel inspired and get to work, then come back in 5yrs and show me what ive been wanting to hear....
cmon i wanna here the hyper drummin over a track like this drumless jeroen track( i cant remeber what its called but ya get ma drift).....no drums on the track just melody/bass line.. ... well possible to cut crazy electo/warped drum under it using a bar from some other electro break.....
It`s not a diss. I just hear scratchin, and it takes me back to my breakdance days when I was a kid, so to me, it`s not innovation.
However to someone younger, it may be.
not listened yet, but know exactly what you're on about, m8.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
taking it to anew level, hehe :rambo:
but you have to take care you don't overdo it (dmc-style), i once saw a dj here with a hiphop background scratching over tech and it was kool. not only basic scratches there, it can be done. :rambo:
At the end of the day Dj'ing is about being able to keep a dance floor moving and pleasing the crowd. However you choose to do it, that should always be your key focus.
yea agreed its how to spot a pro......Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
i like a more animal aproach with techno rather than just plain blending jeff mills was a big influence to me at a young age ..i like to see the jock getting down to bisiness mark eg is a classic...a nightmare to play b2b with or come on the decks after him as the whole dj box is absolute carnage . :lol: but hay individuality always works....fair play to ya grumpy good post this good luck to ya man... ;)
just thinking will have to start making up names for tricks or somthing hahahahahah!! like snow boarders do only make them interesting like instead of a back tail flip more of a backtail curly wipp! :lol: also known as the free party spinback :lol: i duno i leave it with ya just thought ad a bit of fun to this post.......new tricks need new names :lol:
yup defo....im planning on knocking up a dj technique guide so ill make up names ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jon connor
ther are names for skratches if anybody wants to learn what they are and hopefully put into practice check these-
http://www.asisphonics.net/skratchtutorial.html
take you from babys right through to complex shit like delayed flares---cutting 3/4 over a 4/4 beat....and hyperdrummin......learn em if you wish..... thers good audio to accompiny it too.....
all courtisy of the unknown skracther -aliasosity....what a talented skratcher he is.....adn hes unknown....nobody knows who he is....
readin that should show you that skratching aint got limits and has loads of room for innovation...
as a main part of the techno scence (djing) i think we are sleeping on this artform within our own scene.... were pushing production and live pa along nicely, infact very well......but sleepin on djing...IMO
turntablism is not always skratching......anything that requires musical co-ordination.......... so its more "musical" really than techno ;) ...its humans manually doing things "musically" not programming.
leave the scratching and tricks to hip-hop. techno for me is all about seemless mixing, with records i like to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
so techno has reached its limits on the artform of djing.....NO CHANCE
Its can be seemless with very high artistict qualitys......
So you cant enhance tracks or make them just a bit differnet by applying skill on the tables...????? think youz folk with this attitude should just press play let the track play hit stop and the same with the next....and then again.....you aint got NO VISION of the future.......
I honestly think just becuase you havent saw it done youz are against it so nobody is gonna do it....the vicious cirlce......
I will change enuf folks minds one day to make this sub section of techno much more valuable.
serox check the juggle examples....dont you think that style could be pushed so far???
this dude came to our night and experienced it first hand....im actually pleased that someone from the crowd could pick up so much, thers alot who just dont care about nuthin other than getting fuked on drugs.....
anwyas its a rough traslation using a web translator-
The spanish know whats up.....im a monster....lol, like that one...Quote:
"
Of ahi we went with Joha to Jak-N, one night of hard techno well underground in The Venue, and I surpass all our expectations. Sekonz, dj of 20 anios bright scratcheando itself on techno hardly very dark. But its tecnica was not insistent, nor obvious like in much of hip hop. Towards opportunely, and in a while it did it with two copies of the same vinyl, scratcheando with one on the other, stopping the disc and released first, to scratchear with the second without the transition noticed. A monster. Despues followed Fuk Nut, not as much full tecnica but the track, and 6tmA, with drum ' n bass with base hardcore and hard techno with very interesting adjustments, hardly perceivable frequencies and very good adjustments. "
taken from http://trauma-informs.blogspot.com/2...s_archive.html
check out luke mcmillan a.k.a the dj producer . :rambo: hes the man for this kinda stuff! probably 1 of the best turntableists in the country for techno + hardcore . although its rare you catch him doing much techno sets these days.
sorry gumpy, i like records that need no improvment:) i cannot stand hearing som1 pushing every button on the mixer or scratching a record that sounds 10x better b4 he started to fu k around. each to there own tho, some kids like it.
suppose each to ther own.......
brings me to think - so why even bother mixin....why do folk wanna use 3 decks if all they wanna do is hear the music on its own.....
we could just make complimation cds and stick them on at nights.
im havin trouble understanding the limits some folk within techno are putting on the djing aspect of their scene...its been pretty stagnated for yrs.
i really do wonder why.
in hiphop they seem to care about all aspects of it and always try to improve shit......from braking to beatboxin... altho i think battles have ALOT to do with the skill level of the djs/turntablists...battles push the person to push themselves or basically theyll loose....hence the art form progrsses....maybe techno needs some battles, i dunno.......
I don`t see why DJing in techno needs to progress. the music needs to progress, the DJ`s could do with playing a broader variety, but other than that, I don`t see a real need for progression.
The tricks impress no-one but other DJ`s
It`s like talking loads of crap about cars to people who know nothing about them, when all they want is a lift to the station.
Loop techno is dying, ask any record shop owner.
It`s this type of music, that is conducive to DJ tricks, cos it`s boring, does sod all, and is easy to mix.
Pure DJ tool.
Good music should be left alone.
I hate putting loads of effort into a tune, putting in loads of clever edits, reverses, stutters, flanges etc, and hearing some geezer farting about all over the top of it, it just makes you think why do I bother, I may as well make loop grooves"
A little bit of flare hear and there is fine, but really, it`s all about the music, and not about the DJ.
all aspects need to contantely progress IMO...or soon it becomes boring which is what is happening to me when i see most dj performances, not all ill add.
tricks arent ther to impress, collectively along with the records played theyr ART that is a mixtape or set/live performance...
its like saying a fast trigger of a sample like when speedy j is jammin is theryr to impres, its not....its ther to fuk with your head.....like his live bit on loudboxer for example......i dont think he did it to impress noone , but it does none the less, i luv that bit so much....proper headfukin jammin.....can be done on tables aswell.
and yes, if ther is a track that just sounds so good on it own id leave it well along....but alot of techno isnt, i think it need a wee bit flare.....
i can see our different stand points DB
Dj vrs Producer.
i think records are ther for me to fuk with(make my art)....you see djs as a medium to play your art how you intended.......whos right,, how can we both be and still be artists? ;)
[quote="gumpy green"]and yes, if ther is a track that just sounds so good on it own id leave it well along....but alot of techno isnt, i think it need a wee bit flare.....quote]
There is hell of alot if techno around at the moment which is superb, stuff which still makes the hairs on my arms reach up so to say alot of techno isn't good enough to leave alone says to me you aint buying the right kinda techno.
ok then well just play your techno from start to finish, dont even mix then.....folk like me see it differnetly... i do see alot of my record as nuthing but tools, maybe thats why i buy em in the first place...so if thats the case i am buying the right techno for my art dont you think...... and it is the case mostely.
plus im more interested in getting others to help push it forward than talking about my sets...
grumpy,
first you complain there aren't any trax good enough to play all the way through. when questioned on what you buy/listen to you come back with "i buy and play tools"..."cos i'm a proper dj, like"
so like lady boy said, you're obviously listening to the wrong records.
..first off i said alot of techno , so that dont mean all.
then again i go onto sayingmostely, i said....as as artist (not a proper dj, if ther is such a thing) most of the stuff i buy is for my art.Quote:
see alot of my record as nuthing but tools, maybe thats why i buy em in the first place...so if thats the case i am buying the right techno for my art dont you think...... and it is the case mostely
stop hating on me for the sake of it..... im trying to bring a positve thing across....
this girl can do sum tricks :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
can do sum nifty hand and finger work to. :love:
more naked girls playing techno please :love: :love: :love:
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