dont think playing at these event makes it less or more of an art tho.
i personally think techno should stay underground in warehouses/free partys etc....as soon as you let commercial cunts into anything it fuks it up.
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dont think playing at these event makes it less or more of an art tho.
i personally think techno should stay underground in warehouses/free partys etc....as soon as you let commercial cunts into anything it fuks it up.
Pah, you clearly don't go to proper parties mr mosaic. There's no generation passing by the warehouse side of things. You seem to be obsessed with commercialising something that will never be commercial cos it's roots are at loggerheads with the very idea.
Get on with it then, I'd really like to see you push techno forward by having your mug on mtv.
Deaf: im sure you influenced by your american backgrounds but here in Ireland, our free party scene isnt just rolling kids, its pretty much 1,000+ like minded 20-40somethings (often younger&older) having a buzz in forest... and whether they are mad out of it or not, is up to them! but when the party is thrown right and 'electric deluxe' (jsut an example) is at its peak.... im the happiest man you're ever going to see.....
MTV and popular culture would demolish this atmosphere....
some my best clubbing experiences were in sh*tholes, with grime on the walls, piss overflowing in the jaxx, and local djs bangin it out. we had a big club, similar to Shine in belfast, bringin the big names.... and although i had many a great night, nothing can compare to those nights in the shithole....and thats what its about....good music and fun!!
people at these events and parties, work like normal people, make tunes, get stuff done, express themselves, do business, market products and live the generations happily!
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There`s a lot to be said for taking techno out to more people.
But MTV?
no way.
MTV is the maggot in the shite of popular media.
I knew there was a reason I supported you from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
DJ T-1000 says Gunjack is the sh**.
man i came up in the warehouses, i aint saying kill off the underground element of techno music, all i am saying is: GROW UP! GET ORGANIZED AND DONT BE AFRAID TO USE THE THINGS YOU HAVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL in order to make a living!
hey a. i will see you later this year in chicago. do stay in touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Oldham
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah. come to spain and you will shit yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by schlongfingers
internet radio, mtv, vh1, viva, I DONT GIVE A F4CK if they play my videos, they are putting money in my pocket. i am sick of judging one company as "more respectable" than another. ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT. i respect the company who pays the artists on time and helps get my music and artists to a wider audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
bwoooohoooohooo I have been.
You're about cash mate.
may be wrong but that comment suggest you would sellout to this kind of market......it aint all about the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
P-Diddy Vs Gunjack?
i would **** dat n*gga up. but seriously, you fools saying i am about cash? if i aint got no cash how the f4ck am i gonna make music? man i aint about selling out techno, i am about GETTING MINE after years of dues paying, if you smart you would be too. F4CK all this snobbery, music belongs to everybody. IF I MADE A SHITTY TRANCE RECORD JUST TO MAKE DOUGH THEN YOU FOOLS COULD SAY THAT BULLSHIT, but as it stands i MAKE THIS MUSIC FOR ME STRICTLY, but just because i try to be a bit more clever about marketing it just means that i will be in the biz alot longer than you narrow minded little kids. this shit is funny man, kids on a techno board calling me a sellout! do yo thang kids, i ain't mad at ya. but i ain't about to rot into obscurity just to be considered "purist" by some kids on the web. go listen to my records, make your own and then talk shit. dang i am wasting my time on this bbs lol!!! you all still dont try to see that i am trying to encourage you young artists to get yours!!!! you think mills is a sell out because he does his marketing tight? get with it, this is entertainment, you got to keep your eye on the prize.
go on dude!
there is a huge difference between writing a track with sales in mind, and writing a track with music in mind, but following through with trying to sell it once you are finished.
Ok folks.
So get your label logo printed on some flip flops.
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~dirty...BFlipflops.jpg
I got mine done already muthaphukkas.
I`m gonna be minted!!!
oh man.
I could not agree with this statement more. "Purity" is what I was running from when I got into techno. I liked music that would throw just about any sound imaginable together to make something that sounded good and was fun. When I started playing with more electronic compositions myself, I liked the fact that there was nobody around me establishing silly little rules about how a track should be arranged or sound. And, in case 1996-1997 wasn't enough of a hint for the states, there is a HUGE amount of room to truly blend hip-hop and techno together to make something incredibly unique with a hell of a lot of support. Some of the more mainstream hip-hop production crews have sorta cuaght on to that fact. But, it really hasn't been taken anywhere to it's fullest. Why? "Purity." **** that noise. For all the people who whine about the lack of progression, nothing "progressed" through petty "purity."Quote:
Originally Posted by DeafMosaic
Yo, Deaf. I'd asked you before about what you were planning on with the hip-hop related ideas. I'd really like to hear some of it if you have any samples.
you said it, man. you said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adverse
Techno is techno. No matter what sub genre. Sure we all have preferances as to what we like, but we should all still support those who are just trying to make it. After all, that is a goal for all of us right?? To make music and to make a living from what we love...isn't that the point??? Not to become famous or some snob because of the amount of releases you have or the label your on....but just because you do what you do and you love it. However as with any other job, you need to get paid. Everyone has to eat right??? And as Brian said, we need money to make tunes and to progress in production level.
I think all of us are trailing behind Pat though
he has the best marketing yet
with his.....
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~dirty...spknickers.jpg
Patrick DSP Incontinence Knickers Signature Series!!!
BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'M SMOOTH!!!
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Originally Posted by dirty_bass
hahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:
jesus.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
bahahahahaaaa
But enough of the jokes.
Techno is techno. You get what you put into it. If you deal with it graciously, kindly, with gratitude, and just doing what you love, then you will not have problems.
The only reason why you see so many ugly sides of it is because you are a part of it. Do you not think the automotive industry isn't ugly? How about the modeling industry? What about jazz? Do you know how many people bitch about Dixieland jazz (because you cannot dance to it). In addition, you remember what you want to remember and you deal with what you want to deal with. But hey, it is your life. I will deal with good friends and good people and do things that make my loved ones and me happy, nothing else really matters.
How much money did Forbes leave when he dies?
Answer: ALL OF IT!
-p.dsp
ps- thanks steve!!!
Techno the most devided scene in the world?
I would say no...........but after reading the past 5 or 6 pages of discussion I would say their is a healthy division for sure
I can`t be serious about this anymore, I`m killing myself with these knickers.
I would actually pay money for these.
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Originally Posted by dirty_bass
Hmmm, maybe I should make my own brand of Blunt Raps then....then when you get high, you can go and puff a "MESSANGER".... :lol:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...2untitled6.jpg
now that dude had marketing. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adverse
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Originally Posted by tocsin
word? i will shoot ya some mp3s when i get back to the fatherland next month. ;)
D
S
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Draws,
simply classic.
lessons from the architect long lastingQuote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
phoenix must be getting hot as ****!!! i will try to shoot through and see you on my way to l.a. in the first part of june! :twisted:
The problem is a larger percentage of the Techno scene is comprised of elitests as opposed to other genres which have more reg party kids who don't really care about the details, just going out and having fun...
I'll admitt it, I have ripped on many kids who dont know jack shit but I have def learned that those kids who dont come back weaken the techno scene.
I'm not a kid mate, been involved in techno for the last ten years+ neither am I a 'purist', i just think you are trying to commercialise a non commercial music for your own gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
Anyway, time will tell innit.
Who let Tupac in? Seriously this has nothing to do with my disagreement with Tocsin, but do you seriously think you're revolutionary for mixing up beats of techno with mcing? I've mean using the great production of Techno or Electro with, 'appealling to millions' of rap is not something unique. I thought about this before but if you are going to do this then it won't be Techno. Everyone knows the kids talk about the beat, how rap is to dance to but most of hiphop production is dire(along with the idea of mcing). If you are fusing hip-hop it would be totally 'selling-out'. What else would you call it? Because rap is good? You're fusing mainstream with Techno. I think the though if you think that music has really something to offer, then its your opinion. So I guess you are being honest with yourself. It won't change how people look at you :evil: Then I guess you want to meet PDiddy! Hehehehe. So many people over in US think hip-hop and reggae is the only dance music it would be kind of funny when they see all these European guys with some serious bangers :clap: :clap: :clap: Teach them a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
White boys making hip hip just don`t have the cred.
Eminem did it. But look who was pulling the strings.
You present a bunch of gangster culture kids, with the intelligently made, but basically zero cred (in their eyes) of techno, they are gonna pass it over without even blinking.
UNLESS
You get a mate to shoot you 10 TIMES!!
then you got fiddy beat hands down, and the kids will think your cool.
No what if you have a new upcoming mc and your techno skills. It still is shit in terms of making techno go forward but I've think there is a market for it because rap has a very stronghold in US. I've think techno needs to be more known to shake up US market. I defiently think Techno can be better marketed better but to jump on hip-hop is not the way. I've think to do that in one way is to stick together. Be constructive when making negative comments and be more united. I've think vocals can be a good thing sometimes but mcing is a nono. But I don't believe in mcing so there you go.Techno is the best music to dance to. Best music to rock your body and the most unconventional music out there. Techno is cool, kids :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:
yeah, sure, we can do with taking techno out there to more people.
But hip hop is so competative, and riddled with bling or bang based cred.
Vocals can be used in techno for sure, but I think keep it techno. Hip hop has it`s roots in the streets, techno has it`s roots in the mind.
The last sentence :clap: ! I basically agree with that whole post.
No offense, but this is completely silly. First off, why the hell do you need to stick to a stereotypical image in music? I used to love hip-hop and I was never into the bling-bling or majority of gangster shit. There is so much other good work out there. Public Enemy, as one example, was hip-hop from the mind. I guess you have to listen to hip-hop, rather than watch it, to find something that isn't a rock cliche. If you want to "progress," you need to shatter all of your self-created subjective boundaries. If you can't do that, eventually you will fall into a predictable rut and fade out of the picture. That's just how it goes. All music is competitive once you try and put it out for paid consumption. If it wasn't, every single user of this forum who had ever written a track would have records out. But, this isn't really the case. And when you do something that's completely unheard of by most people, you don't have to worry about competition so much because there wont be any yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
I`ve got plenty of hip hop. Mostly the more intelligent, and less "I`m a gansgter and I`ve sold a lot of drugs" stuff
But for the most part, it is based around the bling and bang in terms of commerciality anyway.
Only the more underground stuff is really more diverse.
Why substitute underground techno for underground hip hop, when what you are talking about is commerciality?
I`m totally unsure about your point?
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I`m totally unsure about your point?[/quote]
Not the first one, and won't be the last
yup the "conscious" hiphop is very intelligent and totally well produced....just as good or better than techno....
try krsone
phi-life cypher
poor righteous teachers..
then again some of the bling bling gansta, i gonna fuk you up stuff is lyrically very good too......kool kieth being an example of this "i dont give a fuk style".....
Dunno if it would fuse well but im sure someone could get it sounding fresh with elements of both in ther.....i dunno, i like both alot but think id still rather hear em seperate.....id still like to hear it done well tho, could be quite a good sound and summin new for the ears...
I'm not talking about substituting techno or hip-hop with anything. I'm talking about doing something completely new. In a nutshell, techno has isolated itself as a style of music. The techno artists who have not isolated themselves are branded as sell-outs. Hip-hop has become such a cliche that it has lost a number of listeners. Not so much that the industry would notice. But, it's a number of listeners that could and would get back into it again if the message and music was right. In my backyard, the techno I enjoy and the only is of both the street and the mind, just like the hip-hop I enjoy. Therefore, I don't see how you have any substitution going on when artists who had more influence/interest in one sound start working on another. What would happen, if done right, is a completely new sound that would be appealing. Leave it to the marketers to figure out what to call it. I couldn't care less. But, generally, I do get tired of watching techno, or any other style of music I've enjoyed,Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
shoot itself in the foot by holding up self-created prison walls, often established and supported under the concept of remaining "pure," "true," "underground," etc. I couldn't care less how people say other music scenes are and what their about. When that talk starts being taken seriously, it's when you see the dreaded lack of progression that so many people seem to bitch about here.
like what you are doing by any chance?
If you're so interested and think you have a point with this, go to discogs.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by OriginalTechnobastard
I still don`t see techno moving into MTV domain is healthy.
You can increase the audience of the music, and the commerciality, without having to turn to something like MTV to do this.
Plus the techno/hip hop thing isn`t really anything new is it.
I`m sure there are other more expansive and far more original areas techno can go to.
When's the last time you heard it being done both well and consistently? I never have. I've heard a couple lucky one-off collaborations here and there and that's it. Besdies, who said anything about moving over to MTV? If you have something good, MTV will move to you whether you like it or not. If you are ever in such a situation, you can spend time fighting it until you are replaced by some flash in the pan MTV project, or you could stay true to what your love while using all available channels to reach an audience. If you think there are other more expansive and original routes that techno can move, then by all means pursue them. But, it's silly to knock something as unoriginal before you've even heard it, right? So far, all you're going on are pre-conceived notions that have been dictated to you from an industry that none of us have any connection with outside of being a solicited audience that isn't interested in buying. I'm pretty much with DeafMosaic on this one. I'd like to see techno reachQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
as large of a crowd as possible. I think that can be done without anyone losing their integrity. It would only help to encourage people with different outlooks and ideas to get involved in making the music as well. It's not healthy to live in isolation. It just guaruntees a lonely death.