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Can someone please tell me where this came from? Because I find this to be very funny.....and that's all I'm gonna say about this topic....
Just wanna know if this was an interview in a magazine-or if this was him ranting on discogs again....I really am curious......
Thanks ;)
Discogs. Check the topic name:
"Why has every style evolved into one big pile of shite?"
http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=62856
LOL! He's kind of right though. BTW I have the utmost respect for Mr Bones and all he has done for the scene over the years, but he should be careful slinging mud at Germany's producers as many of his own productions have consisted of sampled loops taken from other people's tracks. As a DJ he has right to complain, as a producer he should shut up and start writing.
I've heard americans, or amercan kids at least, have been spoiling peoples experiences on Xbox Live, taking the piss out of their accents and stuff, does that sort of thing happen to you then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heroes
yea they ask me when its tea time, and i tell them to get supersised, its all a load of mud jive shit really, "ill serve ya ass with shake n frie's" you know the way it works, its mainly dopehead 9th grade kids who get there world facts from CNN rather than the history books, but its all good fun
Ah right, I remember a mate of mine went to holiday in america and kids were asking him if he knew the queen and if he was having tea with the queen and all that, sounded pretty funny, the way he told it.
didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?Quote:
Originally Posted by crbn
YOU should be on Springer son.Quote:
Originally Posted by serox
...?Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
well why dont one of those germans take the challenge and step up to him if what your doing is so good.
i would step up to anybody who dissed me.
Yea...kinda figured that.....he seems to talk a lot of stuff on discogs. While I can see his point (sort of)-I really think he needs to simmer down a bit....he's starting to sound like a bitter old man....oh and another thing-he sometimes tends to act like he's the ONLY one who is responsible for the US scene-while there are a few others that helped it along with him (not saying any names here)-but at least those people arent still riding on the whole 'Storm Rave' wagon-Frankie seriously needs to move on. Oh, and he needs to stop blatently stealing other people's tracks too-like where's the originality in that? And what right does he have to complain about music being shit now, when his has always been shit? (imho) I'll probably get flack for this comment, but for once, I really dont care....I'll admit that I've never been a fan of his music-if I wanna play the bells-or any other track he's stolen, I'll just play the original. Out of that whole crew, I've always respected Adam and Heather Heart-those 2 at least know when to move on and progress with the music and not bitch about why the music sucks....Quote:
Originally Posted by crbn
Ok....finished my rant now.....now I'm gonna go duck for cover :lol:
[quote="serox"]Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original? :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by crbn
Would you pop a cap in their ass?Quote:
Originally Posted by gumpy green
na, but id step up and battle whoever and put them back in ther place...... no need for guns, if you cant do it with the music then yav lost.
if i lost tho my knife would come out. ;)
play splinter cell: chaos theory instead...more gentile scene, better music...none of this my-whole-sense-of-self-worth-derives-from-halo crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heroes
wait...so you are saying you guys DON'T all have tea with the queen? well, i'll be damned...Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
;)
back to the subject...bones is a funny guy with strong opinions. he says something on modulations like "the only good bpm is 134." but he's also been around the block. tone him down by half and he has a good point.
yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.
**** sake manQuote:
Originally Posted by waldhaus
why dont you make some then instead of moaning about it
check out his releases on artillery, crowbar, toolterror, and many more ;)
[quote="DJ Becka"]Oh schnap!Quote:
Originally Posted by serox
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.
hahahahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by waldhaus
the fresh breeze of irony :notworthy:
I didnt mean any disrespect really-I mean, I do give him some credit-SOME-but honestly-Bones acts like he's doing something new and inovative-when all he is really doing is stealing-oh wait, excuse me-borrowing from other people! If you wanna sample something, change it around a bit-make it your own.....dont blatently take the main hook from the bells and not even run it thru some filters or anything-then proceed to use that loop for the entire track! Again, if I wanna play the bells-I'll play the original-because it basically is the same thing-and it's better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
I know lots of people sample in the techno world-but I think most of the sampled stuff I've heard was at least changed around a little bit to give it a fresh breath of life.....
As for the whole hiphop approach-I dont know too much about it with regards to his career-except for maybe that one hiphouse track he did with Tommy Musto 'Dangerous on The Dancefloor'-and I have serious doubts about how legit that track is (ie-was it stolen from someone else :hmm:)....I dont care anyway-again, never was a huge fan of Bones-although I will say this-the man is a walking encyclopedia of electronic music-I can remember going into Groove and having him drop some knowledge on me....but regardless-always had much more respect for Heather and Adam ;)
[quote="SummerOfSam"]Erm, dude, not everyone uses samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Becka
Sunil, quote away... after hearing the sad story that was Tool Terror 1 i decided im not gonna get involved in these schranz debates anymore... it really is crap
this thread is hilarious :lol:
sonic groove...r.i.p.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Becka
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
Ey leave the tool terror alone or ill get my tool of terror outQuote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
:doh: :crackup:
u are a tool Fernie haha
Oh my god what a typical USA ego. :lol:
Well Mr. Bones still owns Timeline management Berlin some money.
Where did you get this message from??
By the way don't understand me wrong.
The USA guys on this forum are cool.
But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"
i appreciate the disclaimer! yeah, you are right about some US djs, but i also think that applies to a lot of big-name or old-school djs in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee
i love the classics, but i hate the sense of entitlement...
I was only pulling your leg. But really, I think Bones is just voicing his opinion a bit on schranz the same way you or someone else might.. don't think anyone's losing any sleep over it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
Once again.. quote of the week:
Frankie Bones
:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:Quote:
Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.
fries and shakes have ruined techno!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
No, fries and shakes have ruined americaQuote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/euro_vs_america.jpg
:lol:
i got no love for german hard techno anymore love the older stuff but now a days all sounds the same and i think there is nowhere for it to go sound wise. Bones is okay i like some of his stuff but always was never that great to buy..
[quote="dirty_bass"]Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.
The argument about using samples annoys me. whats the point in any producer claiming that they "dont use samples" it's patently nonsense and serves no purpose other than to attempt to elevate them to this godlike status where they are better than everyone else because they "Dont use samples..."
This wasnt aimed at you DB by any means, and im pretty sure you know what im talking about anyway.
As for Frankie Bones - i couldnt really give a monkey's golden balls what he says, if he wants people to have respect for what he says and does, giving half-arsed statements about other forms of his own music serves no other purpose than to irritate people and get himself free publicity. In my mind it isnt a constructive conversation, and isnt even reality.
Bet your bottom dollar that presented with a "Schranze" tune in a club that rocked, he'd be catching the vibe along with everyone else there having a good time. Producers make music for people to enjoy - if they enjoy it then in my book its worthwhile, and yes i do believe that applys to EVERY genre of music going. Yes its an awkward truth, yes it'll get me slated, but i dont care. Purist nonsense revolts me. the true path is through open mindedness, an immutable fact - otherwise we would never have techno.
:protest:
maybe hes heard shranz slippy or one of the other wakasfuk shite pieces of non-techno.,
i still go back to my previous point........why dont someone step up to him??
lets see if he could serve them with fries.
Gota love walking past and noteing a G like that...even on a big chick, I don't mind :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Becka
Oh, for an "irony" emoticon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Elyzium
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Originally Posted by Sunil
I like this one even more:
Frankie Bones
btw of course Germans ruined techno. Kraftwerk actually came from Bulgaria.Quote:
Who is moaning anyway. I have finally reached a point in my career where I am finally nailing two girls at once
and what about Heiko Laux, Kowalski etc.? this is the same situation as when some european djs/producers say for american sound its boring and obsolete.
its just the fact that we have to be more openminded and have a wider picture before giving statements like that. its in the benefit of this whole movement.
Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.Quote:
Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.
Well, if we want to get picky. I generate my kicks using a kick generator.Quote:
Originally Posted by crbn
Usually a thing called MetalBD, or Microtonic.
Essentially you fiddle with the way the sinewave is treated, and then there`s a noise generator, I won`t go into that.
As for other samples. Yeah, I do use them, in a more and more limited capacity these days.
But the point is, you can use samples creatively, and mould them to your own sound.
Wholesales ripping of other peoples loops and phrases, can`t be compared in any way.
Compare it to another art.
A writer can take the individual words, or theme of another text, and totally rearrange it, to form a new body of work. And no one will know.
However if entire phrases, sentences or paragraphs are stolen from another writer and used.
This would be called. Plagiarism.
Why is it acceptable in music?
a lessssssssonnnnnn in futility. :)
Ask DJ Shadow.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
It's like collage / composite, I guess.
I suppose the literary equivalent would be using quotations, but it's not really the same thing, is it?
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Originally Posted by igor stravisnky
stvarno! :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by koma
I think bones cirtisizes the attitude behing the schranz phenomennon, not the music. I think he s true old-schooler that moans about the newbies making the same thing than some years back and renaming it, as if this music were their property.
About Bones music, this is pure sampling i agree with Becka. And YES sampling a chole phrase is not the same as using a 909 sample.....
Everybody uses electric guitar in rock and roll, so basically the sounds used are the same. though its not stealing music. Then if you use a whole phrase or meldoy , same chords arranged and sequenced in the same way, this is stealing music....
Some people rest on their laurels too much. I found that thread bullshit from the day it started. Discogs is a
different forum. You have a bunch of vocal users who just whine about how everything "sucks" and how people who
think otherwise are "stupid." It's a total **** hype. Bones will run his mouth about his past but, in the end, it
amounts to about 99% shit talking which a number of people will humor because it's "Frankie Bones." Big whoop?
Bullshit is bullshit no matter who says it. And that thread was one giant compost heap.
In a way, I have to agree with you there.
Personally I have no like of any of the music Bones has done, and don`t really respect the way he makes his music either.
So I don`t really take much notice of his words.
Although sometimes he is pretty funny, in a very blunt way.
You did say DB that there are people who dont use samples, although you didnt say you meant you, it was alluded too. I wasnt ebing v serious BTW (as usual... ;) :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
Its just that statement gets me hot under the collar, because 99 times out of 100 it just isnt true when producers issue that statement.
@CRBN of course NOT serious :roll: i DO know the difference between that and ripping loops (this is what i call it, not sampling... ill call a spade a spade when i need to son)
There is plenty of room for manouvere to lift samples provided its done tastefully and with the proper artistic respect to the original artists/s. Also id like to remind everyone that artists can make money from having their work sampled and replayed back - but onyl if the sampler has the BALLS to conatct them and say "Hi, im using this sample and you legally deserve a cut" Thats the major issue right there, cept noone metions it properly, its called theft. If we all did it, then who would complain about samples being used?