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i just like to add that the main beef word here is "live" not the programme the actual concept, i think, a more acceptable word or realistic word would be PA, if we gonna delve deep and cut each other up about its true meaning then it will keep going back until we are drumming on skins to get a true live.......
ive seen orbital play there whole sets on a 4 track, charge people through the nose for it, now thats one ****ing con.....
i consider anything that isnt pre-sequenced to be 'live' reagardless of what kit.
jamming loops is 'live' to me. pressing play on a bunch of pre-sequenced loops is not 'live' to me..
more than a 50/50 margin of error makes it live... imo ;)
what about pressing play on a bunch of 909 rhythms and 303 patterns? iam not trying to cause beef but live is a lot more than just triggering things, ableton1, 2 and 3 to a point could have fallen into a loop trigger catagory but even then the boundaries of that loop manipulation were way beyond other stuff........ableton 4 is whatever ya want it to be and 5 is really beyond most stuff part from being a bit late with the freeze fuction........Quote:
Originally Posted by perpetual
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Originally Posted by Heroes
no no man. toally understand. its cool.
if someone has a load of patterns in their 303 & 909 then jams them, thats live. i used to play live with MC303s & drumachines just on a midi clock. just manually changed patterns & muted things & added delays.
but i had to change things or it would be 1 hour of one pattern lol
and i used to **** up ny gettin the wrong pattern or a pattern not changing when ithought it was going to & muting the wrong channels lol
but thats where ya learn. makin mistakes is a huge part of learning to play live..
first time in a room of ppl you feel crap. after dozens of shows, ya just push on & get over it & try to make up with some cool trix lol
even if it was Reason & someone is using Matrix sequencers & Redrum & jus changin the patterns manually as they go.. theres a margin for error, so i see that as live..
ppl that press play on Cubase & stand at a desk jus using sweeps & fx ? dont get me started on these poxy c**ts :nono:
this thread is dumb. one could be amazing and make sick tunes on a nose flute from borneo, or one could be rich and have a 50,000 dollar studio and make regressive trance. ableton, max msp or a nose flute, it depends on you.
Eeerrr okQuote:
Originally Posted by perpetual
The kind of music, electronic or whatever involves constructional elements, I listen to the loop stuff aswell as more experimental sounds from the likes of amon tobin, autechre but Im only really just getting into that. Some of it is based around the drum patterns, fills, crescendos etc etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I know what live does I use it myself. It’s a good piece of software and has a good sound engine! But for production I prefer to step sequence, build patterns as appose to playing around with a load of loops. Yes you can do all that in Ableton, but it’s not the same, just like SX drum map editor isnt the same as using a step sequencer.
Seems to me like people go on about how ableton is the biggest thing in techno when to me anyways its just another sequencer with some nice easy to use functions. Perhaps as a performance tool it is an important thing for techno allowing people like myself to mix my own tracks together. The biggest thing to happen ever for techno? Hmmm what about all the techno around before ableton even existed? :roll:
The best thing to ever happen to techno for me would be the invention of the sampler, where would we be now without one? Where would we be without midi? But nah your right ableton made it all happen, most important thing ever. I believe you :lol:
title of the thread probably works better if you add "...in years" at the end, but i wouldn't really know, as i don't use ableton. i'd like to, as i've heard great things, but i've sort of gone down a different software path...
...but my guess is that what comes from it would vary tremendously based on the different people using it. again...no personal experience to back this up with, just a guess...
I love ableton live to BITS... it's all I use.
But no it's not revolutionizing techno.. as Divide said..That's how I see it... just a sequencer that works more a-kin to how my brain does... that's all.Quote:
its just another sequencer with some nice easy to use functions.
Revolutionary would be a piece of software that had one button that says "MAKE TECHNO".
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Where would the fun and creativity in that be?
Honestly if anything... I wish they'd make the Notron again... I haven't used one but shit I'd love to... now THAT was some revolutionary gear.. :clap:
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Originally Posted by deafmosaic
opinions are great innit :lol:
It seems like all, or at least most, of us here on this thread who are actively discussing this topic seem to falling back on the "technicality issue" of djing versus using Live and how any mindless amoeba can plug out a live set using Ableton. Again, i feel the point i made a while back is still true: the crowd does not give a rat's ass what you are doing, only djs and producers do. If it makes people bob their head or dance emphatically then great! If not, then it doesn't matter what medium you use, you're just simply not getting the job done.
Yeah totally agree Joseph.....but its fun to sh*t-stir about it....only coz people treat it like some sort of sacred cow :P
He must b a good dj then eh?....Quote:
Originally Posted by Komplex
hehe probably not. Altho he did say technical skills, which I guess he means beatmatching, cueing and eq'ing. Are there any other "technical" skills involved which I'm forgetting? These skills almost anyone (except the handicapped) can pick up to a certain level in a short period of time and thats not what makes a good djt... otherwise everyone who can beatmatch would be a good dj...Quote:
Originally Posted by sash
And when it comes to these disputes about ableton taking away beatmatching, its usually always the dj's who regard beatmatching as the crux of dj'ing that slag off abes and people who use it. They just become upset when suddenly beatmatching becomes obsolete but theres really nothing stopping people from continuing to mix on turntables with vinyl if they want to. It is a satisfying/fun experience afterall. Just not practical for everyone.