no, i should have made it more clearer by quoting.
anyway back on topic
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no, i should have made it more clearer by quoting.
anyway back on topic
I still think all techno tracks should include the word "techno" at least once.
Funky tracks should include mandatory slap bass (the undisputed sound of funk)
Hard tracks should have to include a big piece of metal clanking.
More regulation. Fines for noncompliance.
Persistant offenders to be locked in stocks and pelted with fruit.
Quote from Adverse:
techno needs an umbrella organization that is subjected to standards of release with real houses for criticism and friendship alike. the failure of any humility on the part of many producers on this board is typical of the kind of people who allow it to go on. and it's nepotistic/clic tendancies are servile to nothing but negativity within the community.
ME:
Have you not been in the Techno Production Forums recently? Everyone helps each other out and tries to be constructive. Great. Humity? No. This is disgusting. Humiliation is wrong. Helpful feedback is right. So you really think humiliation is the way forward? Deary me, I know you better than that Mark. But I do agree with something you said there. We need some quality control on techno for sure and that CAN be achieved with humble feedback ;)
Quote from Martin Dust:
It happens on all forums, but where does it say that we all have to get on or indeed act like dicks? The thing to do is take a long hard look at your input and decide what you want to do. It's no good saying this place sucks without trying to change with some posts or ideas...
ME:
Wow. Someone can see this????!!! We have such a great thing here. Why do ppl always talk about the topics but never think how it affects our community when they go off on one. Why do they never think about the time and effort we've all put in, from mods to posters to me to all of us that have something to say, and at least have a little respect. Adverse tells me in one post that efffectively this community is shit. And so do loads more all the time. Well thanks alot guys, I'm glad I sit up all night and day trying to Admin all this crap. Why not just find another board instead of moaning that this one's shit. Instead, just be constructive. PM me if you find a problem first, then post that our community is shit it's not solved. Surely you can see if I get the board right from the offset, it would be better than firing the whole place up, especially as it's so public. If I'm not doing something which is fueling problems, and it needs to be sorted - I NEED to know. Honest guys, if you have a thought on how to make this place better, please pm me ;)
Dustin:
HAhaha, this discussion again. It's about that time for the monthly techno pep talk I guess. I'm with Adverse, Gunny, and Martin Dust for the most part.
Me:
Well I do think Gunny's post there was great. Adverse? Love ya man but I wish you've stop moaning Hahaha. Martin? Wicked.
Dustin:
While everybody on here pisses and moans and talks about doing something, the rest of the world will move on and offer other alternatives. Maybe not tomorrow or next week, but eventually. That's nature. Spend less time on the web chatting about things you'll never do, quick strokin' each other (95% of the tracks on BOA will not sell guaranteed), and spend more time in the studio. The market hasn't disappeared, it's simply moved on without you or left you in the dust. There is tons of amazing music coming out on the regular, and believe it or not there are still people buying records (mostly minimal at the moment unfortunately). They just want something different. I need to hear another poor Glenn Wilson or Joris Voorn knock-off like I need another hole in my head.
ME:
Me too. But you have to have a balance I think between the moaning and the +ve shit on boards. I think that was Adverse's point slightly. We can't lick each others balls, but I do think it's gone too much the other way recently on here and as the guy who made the god damn board I have to sort this out. I WILL sort this out. Why wake up to a load of moaning and ppl hating each other and the whole world? I don't want this. I too happy in my life to read this. Time to sort this crap out I think. The +ve ppl need to stay and the -ve need to go. Just gimme a week. Radical changes afoot ;)
Acid Trash:
Yeah but if the Mark EG forum isn't a place where we can celebrate tunes made for the floor without being made to feel intelectually or artistically inferior by smug humourless knowitall twunts where the f*ck can we?
ME:
Well it started as my forum but it obviously seems I have lost control somewhere. I only ever wanted a place for those of the same mission to chat and it's developing into something of a techno snobs fighting pit. I think the real key and the only key left on a public internet forum is to be +ve, and if you are going to slate, at least have respect and the community's interests at heart. I have respect for the intellectuals who make techno, just as i have respect for those who make it in a squat. we're all the same - PEOPLE - at the end of the day. Anyway, I have to have a long hard think about this. Anyway, great post. Thanks to Adverse for making it (shame you couldn't have worded it slightly different though cause it's not exactly doing alot for our community is it ya bugger)
Adverse:
don't know what half of you are on about but the plot has been lost. this isn't about the outside crowd or finding the key to techno. this is about the inside track the producers and label owners/ distirbutors. the people who make techno techno and this board is a bloody microcosm of that.the shitty market in techno for the buyers and sellers is a result of lack of coordinated effort in organization and pompous nepotism. it's bloody anarchy out there and the two faces are running amok. it's a facelss business with no accountability. ask any fledgling label owner if he's ever met anyone remotely connected with selling his record. i'm talking about real accountability for everyone involved. not i made a track last week and it's being put out this week.
these atttudes not only on this board but pan techno are a result of this.
ME:
Mate, I could have told you this 4 years ago. But this is now a totally different subject to the one you posted. This is really what is wrong with techno and any form of underground music. No accountability. No business sense. No quality control. Agree 100%. But there are ppl out there, like Martin, who are thinking bigger and better than the majority. And I applaude that. But we all have to learn and we all have to start somewhere. It's all a learning process. If you're running your own business you live by your own rules eh and make them up and you go. Martin's learnt what he's learn from years of trying. So have I. So there's always gonna be ppl who don't know what they're doing in underground music. Quit moaning and get to the top of the tree and then make your difference. Prob is in techno we only have 10% at the top and 90% learning. We need to encourage those 90%, not knock them for knowing nothing.
Anyway ppl, some big changes need to be made here. Anything that concerns the future of techno concerns the future of this forum in my eyes. OK that's enough ranting from me. Sorry about the mistakes, I'm a bit tired. Please PM me with your thoughts on what I should do for the forum to make it better if you get time ;)
you think i'm moaning.. this is reality mark. and the fact that you just said yourself that nobody knows the true nature of what has been happening i just cause for "moaning". if you want to call it that. this was well intentioned topic and if you can't see that then the line of positivity has been blurred.
secondly learning HUMILITY not HUMILIATION.. is an important fact of life... and upon these forums lately there is a total lack of it. i would never humiliate anyone trying to express themselves. learning humility in criticism BEING HUMBLE. nevermind that it's gotten to the point of total backwashing it doesn't even matter who's gotten talent or vision anymore.
anyways.
respect to martin.
i meant in the techno production forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adverse
something ive spotted recently is people over-reacting,or taking themselves or even the music or the issues they raise to seriously.why do we love techno? because its fun.everyone seems to be picking the bones out of it recently,concentrating on the bad rather than the good.
some of gunjacks early posts in this topic were 100per cent spot on for me,i mean the guy ( a fellow techno lover) posts in the promo section that hes got a new realese planned which hes obviously chuffed about,and people start to sharpen their knives.i can totally understand why he flipped.
anywayz,i think theres to much ego/testosterone flyin around this place at the moment.
im here because i love the music simple as that.i do all i can for the future of techno by buying the records i like.
First off, I thought their posts were great. That's why I chose to respond. My comment towards the thread title was simply because it seems there is one of these every other week.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
I hope you do sort things out. When I first discovered BOA I thought it was a very good read.
I'm just finding it humorous that people sit around talk about making things happen yet they never do. These are the same people making/DJing nearly direct clones of material that has been done to death. My point was, stop talking and start doing.
well this was also unprovokedQuote:
Originally Posted by basslinejunkie
but I just didn`t make a huge song and a dance about the whole affair.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
But no one leapt to my defence.
So all is fair in love and war.
Can we get over it now please.
oh god steeve, GROW UP. you were obviously antagonizing me. there i was, i was obviously stoked about my new release and you were just F UCKING WITH ME WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A MODERATOR.
dude, did you really need to bring this up again when we have a vex thread going? :eh:
mark eg:Quote:
techno snob fighting pit
nuff said :clap:
why is everyone so pissed off these days? :neutral:
seriously, dirty bass, i am done fighting with you about this. your attitude speaks for itself. i may get worked up from time to time, but you are an asshole 24/7. really, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?! bassline junkie didn't take a shot at you, he just said he understood where i was coming from, are you so petty that you couldn't even bear that?
as for the TOPIC (this is your board to moderate i might add not to derail threads) - i gotta agree with adverse on this one. biggie smalls said - "i try to treat every project as if it was my first and just stay humble" i think that is a good philosophy
:rambo:
Sorry dude, I wasn`t fighting with you, my comment wasn`t aimed at provoking you at all, I was just adding a little perspective to the situation.
Erm as for hijacking threads.
I think you were first to do that in this thread.
Not that it matters, the points have been made.
Getting on a serious matter.
If any cat does need any musical legal advice then please get onto me and I can put you in touch with my mate, just spoke to him again about it, and he is very willing to help out for free with any legal stuff for the independant scene.
So if you are looking at a deal and are about to sign a license or something, talk to the guy, he can give you very straight and learned advice.
Also copyright and publishing and stuff, same deal.
I'm also always down with offering legal advice, at least as US shit is concerned. I'm a lawyer so I can help out in this respect here and there.
Yeah, the US does have some rather differing laws in this matter, you do have to be careful about making legal presumptions based on US, and euro law in regards to copyright and licensing.
I can agree with you up to a certain point here, Mark. Yes, Everyone should offer their "honest" feedback. And, when it's done in a fair manner, I do appreciate the "positive" (or, as I read it "constructive") rles that are enforced here. But, at the same time, to any aspiring producer (of which I consider myself one) just remember that opinions on this board don't amount to anything more than that. Itseems too many people get way too touchy over feedback and, after a short matter of time, people on many sides turn into raging pricks about it. "Quality" is subjective. The style of music I work on is, for the most part, not anything anyone here would consider quality. At the same time, the niche market it would sell to also wouldn't consider it "quality." So, I guess all I'm saying is, to anyone who might take criticism here to heart, also don't write off the fact that you may have written something that the people who criticize it just can't relate to. For myself, at one point in time, every "techno" track fell into this category. And, as of 1994-95, I did a complete reversal. While you may just be writing crap, there is also the very real possibility that you are either ahead of your time or just appealing to an incredibly small niche market.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
Absolutely. The stance that the US took in the WIPO treaty was kinda disappointing. When it comes down to it, artists have more protection in Europe than in the US in certain regards. Then, at the same time, corporations alkso have a different degree of protection, which supposedly are in artists' interests, but often aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
^^^ No that I don't feel where you are coming from. But, really, I'd like to see "techno" go back to the era where sampling was not a taboo. Some of the best music came out then, in my opinion, largely due to the fact that nobody cared about industry related mandates. It fit in with the hacker ethic hich didn't believe that laws should prevent someone from perfecting something. That was one of the themes I found in techno that appealed to me the most. A good deal of techno tracks that illegally samlped other tracks, in my opinion, made better tracks with the samples, than the original did.
I feel that one of the key points being made here and one that is being missed is how the or this techno community seems to always turn in on itself.
This will happens when people hold strong views but it seems to happen here a lot. I guess what people are asking for is for us all to be a bit more understanding of each others music and views. It's not that hard when you think about it. I didn't see the Gunjack thread but I know what it feels like to get a promo out and I'd guess he's be pretty darn chuffed. Now, even if I didn't like the music, I'd be pretty darn chuffed for him. I like to see people happy and it's cool as **** when people make progress.
Dirty B, right, the thing is mate you keep banging on about some next level shit and how you what to do much more but it's time to put up or shut up because if you can't see that it's winding people up then you need to take a step back and have a good look at what it looks like to others, you need to be able to see that it sounds and looks like one big diss and that nothing is good enough. I'm willing to chat about this some more if you wish but mate, give it a rest with the next level shit and just bring it.
There's some great people here and knowhere does it say we are all going to get along but it's important that you show respect to other peoples work. I like the whole spectrum of techno and people are often puzzled that I can be in both System 23 and Black Dog, but to me it makes perfect sense - I ****ing love watching people go mental and getting off on stuff and then I like to chill back and **** with your head. I've spent a lot of time in clubs and even when I haven't liked the music, I have enjoyed watching the DJ or the crowd go for it, I guess I'm not that much of a snob when it comes to having a good time.
My answer to all this would be to start posting new stuff you want to talk about or care about, the only way forward is with more hard work. Lets not get caught in the trap that often happens on forums...
Hope that makes some sense.....
From The Heart In My Hands PostQuote:
I am beyond sad.
No other words for it.
I am not going to sit here and say what is correct or what is wrong
with techno.
I am going to admit what I have done personally what I feel was wrong on my part.
I am wrong to wear my heart on my sleeve and display anger.
I was wrong to bring my anger with anyone I have had any confrontation with and make it a public issue.
I was wrong for being so passionate about something I believe in.
I do not know how to be any other way. Yes I wear my heart on my sleeve. It is my nature of conditioning. I cannot help that I can only hope
to be a better person in business and in a music sense. I first came to this forum in hopes to be able to share thoughts with like minds. While I have done so. Seems we have also had some disagreements along the way. Though I have come off as a brute in most, I am quite the opposite and have a big heart in fact. Anyone who knows me personally will know this is true. I am appaled at what is going on in the forum lately, but also cannot help but to feel responsible for some of it. I agree whole heartedly with Mark Eg's Points in the Future Thread. I also agree with most other members points here and there. I am seriously upset to be part of some recent quarrels at hand. I am also upset to see very good friends of mine fighting, really fighting. I am more than apologetic if I in anyway have brought upon any events causing any of this to happen.
I am choosing to be humble because all the war, and the bitterness and the fighting is not why I choose to be part of this place. I choose to moderate because I felt I can make a difference and really add a new attitude and input to this forum and to techno in general really. I hope I have done a good job. I am sorry if I have not. I am not a babysitter. Or a justice of the peace. I can only help the tone. I extend my deepest humilities to Mark, I've tried man, I swear it. Anyone who I have offended or turned off, please don't let my convictions or random bursts of ignorance dismay you from this place. It is the greatest forum there is, and I owe everything to it. Even my present life. I have made the best friends I have ever had from here. I love people I have met here. Whatever happens from here on in. Is in the hands of Mark. I will stay if only Eg and everyone else would have it that way. I hope this does not bring me any flak as I am only being honest and real. So hopefully this quote has a positive result. If not then like I said it is my heart in my hands.
Cheers,
Antonio
Been there, done that. It didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
Are you sure Sunil, it would only take 5 or 6 people to turn this thing around. Are you saying that you feel that it's not worth it?
What do you think needs to change?
If anything good is to come out of this then it's clear things need to change, so - cards on the table....
Maybe for a littlw while, but in the long term I wouldn't be so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
I've tried talking about what I thought was good techno, or even stuff that I thought was next level. And rarely would anything get going.
Also, in the last number of months I've found myself vehemently defending producers who have really made a difference... Adam Beyer, Jeff Mills, Chris McCormack etc.
I could go on for a bit here but I may leave it for another time, and nor do I want to create a big deal. Right now I just feel a bit soured towards the place, I don't really feel like part of a community, still a bit like an outsider whose opinion or input isn't really necessary.
I get that feeling all the time, it's very easy for someones opinion to be vasty overlooked, especially on these forums where we do see a lot of posters who are people out there doing shit who's opinions will always trump the folk who aren't doing shit. At least this community doesn't scare off people form posting as I've seen on other forums.
For me BOA is deinately not the place for me to discuss the music which burns in the icy black heart of my soul, but this comes down far more about what I'm into and what the vast majority of people are into. It doesn't stop me from occasionly pokin gmy oar into various topics though. At the end of the day though I'm not really looking for terribly much from these forums apart from a bit of banter and a bit of a laugh as well as picking up production related information.
Shame you feel that way Sunil...
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
I Like writing techno and electro and house and ambient.. (although im not interesting in wrintg trance.. hahahah) and dowtempo and electronic dub etc...
I like talking to people on here. Its fun and informative. Im not ready to "Leave" the scene, nor do i think this board is the be all and end all.
As for the idea about a techno uber-coolische-stamp type organisation affair... Nah. There are so many things wrong ith that idea i dont know where to begin (IMO of course)
Personal attacks are wrong here - ****ing hell, if ya wanna get personal get to know the person (Then sock em in the mush if ya really dont like em..)
Learn, Evolve, Enjoy.
Dont
Fight, Destroy, Ignore.
Love ya all (Even Brian - some good points there mate, respect)
total shame. really is. something has to be done. if ppl like sunhil are saying they don't feel their input is needed (and i'm sure he's one of quite a few) then we all have to address this, especially me. the more i think about it, if we took all the ppl who jump down each other's throats out of here, actually have a really great place imho. just cause you're a big producer, or run several labels, or are good at staying up late in front of your computer, doesn't mean you're always right. and it doesn't also give you the right to be an ass.
leave this with me, i'll make some big changes today. some ppl wont like, some ppl will, but i really think that now this is out in the open, we have to address it asap.
I'm the same sunil, which is a shame because you seemed one of the most on-my-level sorta guys on here when i used to bother with it.
I must admit though i gave up trying to bring up any discussions a long time ago, partly because im a lazy c.unt but also because it all just seemed rather pointless.
Unfortunatly this place has been going around in circles for over a year now, its like a f.ucking bad trip. Even from the outside i cant see how you can slow the inertia that is driving it around let alone reverse it. And the usual 'be +VE' solution has just become a part of the loop.
For me its not about the positivity or negativity, its just about people being so anal and/or dramatic about things (things that really dont matter in the bigger picture), just chill out!. Also the strokin' (as zahn so wonderfully puts it) is a bit nausiating - unless someones strokin' me ;) hehe . But anyway, these things are just human nature, and that aint gonna change, just like outside of this board you arent going to turn a load of technoheads into businessmen.
theres a whoe world out there guys, it just seems crazy to get so up tight about such tiny insignificant things. Im sure if everyone just got on with it, chilled out, and stopped analyzing everything so damn much then things would be better for the scene.
gay analogy i know but its like if you juggle you have to just let go and trust your hands to catch each ball. If you think too much about it you drop the balls - everytime gauranteed. Im saying just go with it, and enjoy it!
Well said Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfish
Nice to hear your voice again (Stroke, Stroke.. ;) :lol: )
although to be honest i think the problem IS that a load of techno heads turned into business men.
yeah baby you like that?
Oh yeah! Uh Huh, Oh Yeah! Uh Huh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfish
i don't really want to get too involved in this discussion as i really can't see any light at the end of the tunnel for it.
( we have been here many times this year )
some good points have been made here and there
but it's all very depressing really.
i think some of you guys need to lighten up a bit .
come on chaps......it's just a forum , if you want to change something then do it , and post it up here so people can see it and be encouraged by it.
new labels , new clubs , new artwork , dvd ideas , interactive music etc etc
all we do is bang on about mp3 vs vinyl or how things aint as good as they used to be these days. can we get over this already?
i think everyone needs to relax their opinions about what techno is in the first place. it's obvious that electronic music in general is feeling it's age and needs a bit of a shake up , but moaning about it will only slow the process down , as will spending time on internet forums discussing what we want to be doing , as opposed to just doing it and then sharing it with others:
"look what i just done" etc etc .............
as opposed to:
"the reason i'm pissed off today is.........."
there is plenty of humility here i think. yeah sure sometimes people get arsey and opinionated but then it is an ongoing discussion so that's bound to happen , and anyway, other people all over the world take their music very seriously
from classical to jazz to folk music to rockn'roll ,enthusiasts everywhere are the same , passionate.
we really shouldn't get so uptight about people being passionate there's nothing wrong with it , and there's nothing a little humour now and again can't cure.
"insert favorite joke here"
anyway what the hell do i know about it?
i'm too busy snorting ketamine at squat parties and dribbling on myself
apparently, according to one guy on here the other day.
something like that anyway. ( unbelievable!!!!he should be ashamed of himself)
so my point?
i don't have one , and you know what?
i don't need one , i just like to have discussions with people, to keep my mind sharp and to learn new things ,
now where did i put that 303?........
;)
:shifty: I'd better get on with that
Electronic symphony using casio's, speak n spells and me watkins copycat...
Nice one DTD... nail,. head, hit , on , the you.
As usual.
Respect.
No way man to me your one of the people whos imput allways strikes a note with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Your opinion or input is very necessery to this place man imo
I could go on one on this topic cause I have loads of feelings on this but im going to restrain myself cause certain people have allready said along the lines what I could add.
I will say tho and echo what Henry has said and that is that this place could benifit from us all chilling out and stop taking it all so serius(alltho I take my music very serius personally)
We all like different ellements of music and disscussion and dissagreement is importent but not as importent as respecting other peoples takes on things.
Lets all have a group rub
It's a dark day when DAVE isn't sure where his 303 is!! :lol:
:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfish
Quote of the afternoon. ;)
dont, it made me cringe enough when i wrote it! ;)
Thanks man. Good to see you back in here too Jimfish ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindful
I know not everyone has been following techno as long as I have, and I know that there's others who have been following it for longer than I have. I guess I like to feel a lot in common with people here be it through shared opinions or experiences on the music, producers, records, or clubscene... things that make me feel that others share the same spirit within techno that I do too. This all came from somewhere, and I still have Chicago, New York, Cologne, Gent, Rotterdam, Brighton, Detroit, London, Stockholm or wherever! running through my techno veins as it were. It's all important, relevant, part of the equation, be it old or new. Rarely do I feel a unified respect of these sort of things, and that to me is a big part of the techno spirit.
Yeah, generally I like to participate here. I like talking about techno through the ages though, from the early days through to now.. the big picture. No head numbing evolution of techno conversations, because that hasn't happened yet, you talk about that stuff after the transition of where we're at now, or when those new defining records come along. Techno can't be forced forward through a thread on BOA, at this stage I think all it can do is change a bit, and hopefully for the better. I don't think it's all doom and gloom, but I think everyone needs to be quicker to sort the wheat from the chaff and to do their best to wholeheartedly support that, be it through buying the record, going to the gig (dragging your mates along!), reviewing the music, or even emailing that producer or label to say they like their music... every little bit helps these days, it really does. And if there's no great records out there, then no hassle, no-one has to pretend that there are.
Personally I think the message board thing is a hinderence in many ways, but still a bit of fun all the same.
the thing with message boards is they dont convey the real meaning behind alot of posts, i can guarentee some of us on here would get on alot better if we could say these things face to face
Face to face, people wouldn't say half the shit they do...
yeah they would, smelly face :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
well thats a personal issue for the people in question, whoever they maybe. i would have no qualms about saying anything to anyone's face in the context we are talkin about here, literaly unless the person was standing there with a gun pointed at me, id probably curb my words somewhat thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Martin Dust
What's the weather like up there ;)
very warm, but dull and rainy too, not my favourite weather, i prefer it cold and rainy
unrelated but your System 23 has grown on me dude, props, sometimes these things take a while with me haha
there should be an "ep" in there obviously hehe
Back to the topic (which was titled the future but is more about whats letting this board/the techno scene down) ...
Firstly this board, I don't care too much about the threads which go on about 'next level' or new ideas because for me anyways, its not what I'm looking for in techno. If anything I would like the opposite and for things to step back away from busy drum based structures which simply accumulate then disperse. If there will be another revolution, it will be within the music and its makers itself and the only thing any forum can do is acknowledge this 'next level' and thats that. But I couldn't see any of that happening and don't really care if doesn't.
As for this form not been a strong enough community? I think thats in eye of the beholder really, I mean I know personally that my experience with this board proves otherwise. Shit Im even living with someone I met on this board. I have met some really good people on here (you know who you are) outside of the forum. I think most the people including yourself mark, know that setting aside all the cussin thats been going on there still is a good community and always has been
But...
Well my main gripe is the negativity on here. I don't really get it personally. I'm really happy about the way things are changing within the music scene. I mean when in history has anyone been able to make a track and stick it on t'internet and have it travel the world in a matter of seconds. I am actually hoping the digital thing really takes off. Right now, its in its baby stages and has its problems. In the long run I can see a complete overhaul of the current structure and that for me is exciting as it will knock down things I see as boundaries. I don't really see any need for quality control. Thats all down to those who play out/buy/download the music. I don't listen to what I don't like, thats my quality control. People need to face upto the fact that there are a lot of people out there trying to be an artist with software 'revolution' and all
Also the post locking thing as said previously is really pointless as its just leaving debates unresolved. The thing is by the time some people see some of these posts its too late as its locked. Its usually happening on some controversial thread about issues which are really important too (bar the occasional exception). This is usually down to a heated debate when people get angry and say some shit. Where theres passion theres anger, you cant separate the two. Most people see heated debates as a negative when all it is does is confirm that we are human. Locking posts just lets it all build up
Also I think the banning of people isn't always a good idea (unless its someone who's out to blatantly cause shit then theres no need in putting up with it). Some of the more interesting people on this board got banned, some of which really grew on me
So anyways, as for the future. Well, I'm feeling optimistic but I'm going to see Rob Hood dj tonight and thats what its really all about for me
I agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Divide
I'm only new here... while I'd heard of this forum a long time ago, I only just got broadband, and I'm quickly getting sucked in.. It's only when you have personal internet access that you really get the benefits of the technology.... and it wont be long before absolutely everone has this... which is amazing and revolutionary and yes, certainly only in it's infancy...
But there is certainly bright futures ahead and.. - what's the title of this post? - The Future of Techno... that's it. I think a couple of heads went off on a slightly negative tangent there.. Voicing negativity about negativity?
I think the future of techno is bright (even the really dark stuff!) But it depends on people being creative, experimental, passionate, dynamic.. And it demands that those involved are positive and helpful, even when they need to be critical... Putting forward ideas and solutions, rather than simply voicing dissagreements and dissapointments...
I mean, obviously there are people out there making terrible shite that you wouldn't even call techno... and there's more and more people realising that you can track out a few loops on your computer and burn it to cd and try to call it music, but don't worry about them... If they're not being creative with it, they're not making techno!.... So they have nothing to do with the Future of Techno!... If you catch anyone at this, either ignore them or, if you think they just need a few pointers, say, "check out this music at htttp:// whatever is proper techno", and let them go on their way, knowing you just did something positive...
... but have no fear, there are people out there fighting the good fight, and the more shite music is out there, the more thier music will shine like diamonds in the rough... The Divide is right about the quality control.. YOU are the quality control!!
The future of techno? Sure, techno is the future - always has been, always will be.
yeah, good points, especially the fact that the punters are the quality control, ive always said this, if you dont like it, dont buy it