just my opinion - some great comments here guys.. please try to keep this from descending into thepointless shit!!! there's some real nice leasons to be learnt here!
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just my opinion - some great comments here guys.. please try to keep this from descending into thepointless shit!!! there's some real nice leasons to be learnt here!
ps real sorry to hear this j.
really bad news :(
I`m very sorry to hear that Just have gone down, this is really bad, and another blow to the scene in the UK.
Eukatech in london has also gone.
Meanwhile the latest Dave the Drummer wannabe releases another pointless record on another pointless label that they have started because no one would release their stuff.
When will this end?
There will be one label per "producer" one day, and all of them releasing virtually the same tune.
I think both the business and the music needs to change and develope to keep itself alive.
Distributers shoulder some of the blame, when saying "yes" to another piece of cloned tat, they could retain some kind of quality control and say "no".
There is no easy solution to the current problems, but I think part of the solution is to wake up and smell the coffee.
Kill all rock stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
yarg...maybe i was misunderstood. i meant there's no point arguing over whether or not techno is great now or was better 10 years ago...AGAIN. those who have opinions one way or the other (me included) probably won't change them because someone argued with them on a forum, and both are valid opinions based on personal taste and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
this thread should be about just music's troubles.
bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by detfella
what i have been saying for years is that the industry standard "you have to have records out to get booked", resulted in a lot of shite techno on wax.
frankly, that's why it took me so long to start producing. i have been DJing for 10 years, but i didn't want to go out and just throw down some disposable crap. hell, maybe i do anyway in some people's eyes, but i waited until i felt i could say something with what i made. at the end of the day, it means something to me anyhow...
the middle paragraph is hitting the nail on the head there imo ... i was having this conversation with someone the other day, i hate the way people feel the need to start 2, 3 labels for the same bunch of their mates to release on, it just leads to the same tracks being regurgitated over and over and spread across 2, 3, 4 labels that could EASILY be condensed down to 1 when you release that the labels may have different ethos, at least in the blog that comes with them, but really they are putting out exactly the same stuff on each label, thus saturating the market with more clones and moaning when all their labels end up going down because they didnt have the hindsight to just concentrate on 1 and see where it goes instead of trying to run before they can walk!Quote:
Originally Posted by V..
it really is not that hard at all to get your music onto other peoples label's these days, the whole point here being there is too many anyway hence half the problems that are occuring.
re the having to release to get gigs thing, yeah it works for some, but its bull for others, i know plenty of Djs who are top class but dont have a clue about production nor are they that interested and are doing very well for themselves regardless
this is one of the only topics thats interested me on here in a long time, and although it was born out of bad circumstances definately need more topics like this
Same problem is happening everywhere in media: Clutter and Fragmentation.
Basically too much being touted across too many channels to not enough people. There are the same problems in TV, Press & the internet. Its just an indication of a mature market, and a natural consequence of the switch to digital.
What this means is that you are usually left with a handful of big brands, and thousands of niche brands. In Techno its the same - a handful of credible labels and countless smaller ones.
I've always really enjoyed digging - I think thats part of what djing is about - sifting through reams of shite to find the little nuggest of gold that others may have overlooked. I'm also really glad that loads of people are producing and get their stuff out. It prevents elitism, and ultimately paves the way to innovation. New artists are responsible for breaking new ground. Sure, they may start by copying their idols - but who hasn't? Its how you learn. No one starts a career at the top of their game. Few people are distinctive from the outset, it usually takes time for people to establish their sound.
At the moment there are plenty of people sticking to the tried and tested. Computer technology has made production a possiblity for almost everyone, rather than a chosen few, and their are a lot of new artists who need to mature. But I think thats what makes the djs contribution so much more valuable - they can present their own sound rather than run through a techno top 10.
In drum & bass you used to have nights when every headliner would turn up with the same records as everyone else. Everyone had the same "big tunes". Quality tunes, but to be honest it got really boring listening to them.
I'm optimistic about the future.
WHAT?!?! no way - I only bought a new eukatech a few months ago - the 10" one... jin mull i thikn it was called.Quote:
Originally Posted by V..
Louk
Cheers for everyone's views so far and for the various messages of condolence...
Much appreciated !
Also, as ever, some interesting points being raised.
JB
yeah man sorry its not worked for you! must be really crap when something you've put a lot of time, money and effort into ****s up
i'm not trying to imply that we should all agree to disagree. I hate that policy. Its more damaging than good imo. I was mearly saying that if people dont like the way how techno sounds, then they should get off their arses and change it to a sound they do like. techno's all about innovation so why just sit back and complain and you could be out there creating the next big techno sound?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
i totally agree, so maybe we were arguing about nothing... :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by MangaFish
I've always said you are a very smart guy ;) :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
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Originally Posted by MangaFish
Everybody show some love :love: :love: :love:
that was truly a touching moment.
:lol:
in the immortal words of rodney king, can't we all just get along? :!:Quote:
Originally Posted by V..