quite well, my sometimes-ornery friend ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
but fuss, well, i think it's a fairly accurate way to describe 4 pages of comments not on the topic but on whether the topic should be a topic... :)
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quite well, my sometimes-ornery friend ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
but fuss, well, i think it's a fairly accurate way to describe 4 pages of comments not on the topic but on whether the topic should be a topic... :)
holy shit. this thread is 4 pages long.
ah, detroit...beautiful town... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by el salvador
there should be nonsense warnings for people who will read this boring tripe in the morining, as i have done countless times, especting something interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by g
but if they were especting anything worthwhile in the ol' H vs S debate they deserve it i spose
Enough of the tree hugging, let`s get ginned up and brawl.
http://members.shaw.ca/Bruiser_Brody/colon2.jpg
lol
Dude if I was in Columbia
I'd be Hopped up on the obvious
Looking for some loving my damn self.
On la playa no en el monte
In the spirit of solidarity with our Colombian friend I'm going to have a wank.
With you all the way, brother
hahaha :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Pace
I love this debate, stick it up in the production forum!
http://www.funkist.ca/images/product...%20handbag.jpgQuote:
Seriously someone please lock this before i go mentally off the scale, not the hardware vs software thing AGAIN!!!!!!!
http://www.thedivide.co.uk/images/SCOTT%20GRAVE1.jpg
Oh shit, haha, I laughed out loud for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Divide
the funniest thing is ive known you guys about 4 years and you dont even know how to spell my name
its gray with an a
ok you have a sheet of 18mm plywood
and you want to cut it perfectly in half
do you use a circular saw?
or a rusty old handsaw?
easy really isnt it?
I`d use a ****ing axe.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
i'd use a spoon. or a spork!
i seeQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
playing devils avocado again are we?
Nope, I just enjoy the swing of a good axe.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
Or a sledgehammer.
Ah the good old days.
No door too strong no lock too tough.
You would make a good axe salesman
hey i have got a virus today, (and is nothing to do with the girls last night bfore you ask).
hardware 1 software 0
but it is still early in the game
hardware all the way (but thank god for software)
it's like anything really. if you wannna be different, you don't use the same tools as the next man.
it's why i'm now excited about playing pure sets of vinyl and it's also why although i love software to DEATH. i get 20 times more excited when i buy a new piece of hardware than when i download a new plugin torrent. and you know what? certain hardware DOES sound better than any plugin out there. you must know the right manufacturer, just like you know that waves comp is better than mda comp.
software has revolutionised music but if you're serious about production and making it sound good, to me there is no issue. hardware is better.
and i also want to say a massive hi to el salvador.
eyes, imo, we're not hear to run one of those computer geek forums where everyone tells ppl 'do a search you twat'. i'm a member of alot of these type of places and it creates this elitist attitude within the long term members and admin. oh come on, we don't want that here do we? what's great about this place is we all help each other out. eyes i see your point totally but we're hear to help each other.. perhaps you could have worded your reply a little nicer?
but el, you reallly seem like you're totally on our level. we need more ppl like you around. your enthusiasm is just brilliant.
welcome to the forums mate.
and eyes, you're brillant too ;) xxxx hehehe
its like a big f**kin love in round here... farkin hippies!
i actually did stepback on my comments and i never called him a twat Mark
Well said :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
yeah sorry i was wrong in my opinion, better make sure i never express it again!
me bad
it's easy to get jaded..imagine how the seasoned user felt when you first asked ' how it does it work?' to keep on topic i don't think it matters as long as it sounds good. period. if you put afx or liam howlett in front of reason compared to average joe, it would sound miles better. why is that? talent...pure and simple. hawtin - pioneer - has just released a 5.1 surround sound mix - did he make that using an atari, 909 and a mackie desk..did he f*k. embrace the future....you may as well - it's happening anyway. I'd like a 909 or a juno 106, but in reality that gear hasn't been manufactured for over a decade......I used to have an akai sampler, but soundforge came along, and it pissed me off that some hookie software could do something better than something I'd paid a thousand quid for...but hey thats life..........
ok, well to answer the question in the briefest way possible.
Look at 2 factors.
time
and money
If you have a lot of money to throw around, and a lot of time to invest in learning all the equipment as well as production technique, then get hardware and software. But a decent mixing desk and a reasonable plethora of keyboards and samplers, means a lot of money and a lot of learning time, but good end product.
Software is cheaper, comparatively, although a high power pc, good nearfields, and soundcard are always necessary first. Due to the system being all kinda together, it`s probably got a quicker learning curve too. But you don`t get as much cool stuff to look at, and you need midi controllers to get nobs to tweek.
Results wise, if you know what you are doing, both are good.
These days, I wouold say go software. As I suspect you want quicker results.
i am learning a lot here. thank you guys
Go software. You'll be able to get up & running quickish, and you can always add in hardware later on.
Get a copy of Reason.
Then maybe think about buying the virtual machines that you use the most.
hey thanks jay. today i have buy this. i have reason 2. i like how it all looks like hardware and you plug it in with the cables. i love the rex player and the drum machine :love: the score now for me is................. hardware 1 software 1....and the game is on guys :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Pace
buy hardware. using software is old fashoined these days.
i have just buy a virus too :wicked:Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
oh sure, thank him. that's what i said on page 1 of this thread. =]Quote:
Originally Posted by el salvador
you are all worthy of much thanks here guys now. :love:
well for me it's still hardware 7-software-4, but i don't use any of the hardware anymore as i'm married and live in a 1bdr apartment, so space is an issue...
One of the main reasons I've moved! I sympathise dude...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
Plus my girlfriend is an art student, and requires MASSIVE amounts of space to do work.
El Salvador - WELCOME TO BLACKOUT AUDIO !!!
You have a computer and you have Reason.. Thats a great start anyway.
As far as needing anything else, I would recommend a piece of hardware. A drum machine would be a great investment if you can afford it. If it can sample, all the better... Forget about the old drum-machines you hear about like Rolands' 808 and 909- these machines were ground-breaking in thier day but the design has been improved immensely since then. You should be able to buy a modern machine (often called a 'groove box') that will have hundreds of drum sounds and synth sounds and even sampling capability for as little as 220 euro for korg's ER-1 MK II (no sampling though) and in fact you could find Yamaha's RM1x on ebay for about the same money (I have one of these and I couldn't recommend it enough)
If you had a bit more money than that, Korg's Electribe SX for 640 euro would be a sound choice, giving you sampling as well as drums and synth, and up the market again, for 830 euros, AKAI's MPC1000 would be an excellent investment.
All of these machines will link into your software set-up, for example you can synchronise Reason to any of those drum-machines mentioned... but the beauty of a piece of self-sufficient drum sequencer is:
You really get to KNOW and become familiar with the DEDICATED controls
You will be able to PLAY your beats and patterns in an EXPRESSIVE way
You can sit it on your lap with a set of headphones
Hardware automatically SOUNDS better than sofware... with software it takes alot of WORK with eq and processing to get as good as sound
You may find that you LISTEN more attentively to your beats , as you aren't looking at a screen all the time
You will eventually become ONE with your machine, and take over the world!!!!
so what are we doing tonight????Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
same thing we do everynight!
......
so what are we doing tonight Grain????Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
same thing we do everynight!
......
- the RM1x recommendation is solid if you're looking for a sequencer only. the onboard sounds on that thing are terrible. as a dedicated seq, it's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
- design has been improved immensely since the 808/909? most of what you are recommending to him directly mimics the x0x interface. and while the x0x sequencer is still one of the most intuitive ways to work ever created, people don't buy those machines now for the design -- they buy them for the sound.
-- the same can be achieved with a midi controller and consistent mappings.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
-- ditto. there are plenty of x0x or pad-based controllers or sequencers that allow you to Play a piece of software.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
-- that may have been true a few years ago but now that is complete nonsense. don't forget that, save the 808/909, the things are you recommending are nothing but music computers with dedicated interfaces. the computing power of PCs and the code quality of virtual instruments has gotten to the point where music software is no longer a second class citizen when it comes to sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
-- that can certainly be true, however an excellent piece of advice when you get comfortable with software is TURN OFF THE MONITOR.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
i'm not arguing categorically against hardware. a lot of the things that have been said in this thread are spot on. and even as music software continues to get better and better in some respects there will never be a replacement for a buggy, quirky, unpredictable analogue synth -- unless they start coding apps to do random things and shock you every once in a while. but for someone starting out, he should get a realistic idea of what's out there. then he can move into hardware simply because he decides he wants to.
cool g, i'm feeling that. thanks againQuote:
Originally Posted by g
I have to dissagree with you there G, the onboard sounds are top notch. And theres enough modelling capabilities to turn any of the run of the mill sounds into something special :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by g
no, don't get me wrong... theres software there that can do everything, and sound amazing at the same time... ableton Live, NI Reaktor (all Native Intstuments software), Reason.. between those programs alone, or any of them on thier own even, no doubt you could make quality tracks... But the man has a computer and a copy of reason already... no doubt he'll work away with that, but if he's asking for recommendations, I'm just recommending a hardware alternative, that will enrich his already powerful solution (the PC and software)..
In fact what the thread was - 'hardware vs software'...
I'd have to say - BOTH... not one or the other - theres no need for them to be exclusive to each other... They should be integrated and abused... together.
as I say, el salvador already has the software.... I just think he'd enjoy a go of some hardware... A nice hardware sequencer is a sound investment .
ok... I think the sounds on it are terrible.
:tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by g
Ok, I have to admit, I had to get a compressor to beef the drums up, but if you can't make some quality techno out of 46 drum kits and 654 synth/instrument voices .... well I think thats enough sounds for a lifetime of use and abuse (an TR909 has ONE drumkit, and look at the tracks that were made with that!). Anyway, as you know, you can sequence any synth or sampler with the RM1x on top of using the internal sounds, and there lies the beauty in it...
Maybe you were just playing with the preset patterns g :lol: , you know you have to make your own patterns to really see how good a piece of hardware is!
Plus it can be used as an exellent midi controller...
:shock:
Quote:
Originally Posted by grain
:clap:
Actually, I have to say that post makes me want to get to know my little 309 better. Its been gathering dust whilst I've been playing with Reaktor...
fuking hell man, the whole reason i brought it up was because i was saying it is an excellent dedicated sequencer. so no, i wasn't only using presets, and yes, i know what a great piece of midi equipment it is. i said so when this all started. i just think the onboard sounds are garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by grain