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The problem is that techno became and still is slightly, over comparmentalised. With producers only making one sound and only listening to one sound.
And as I have commented many times on this forum, inbreeding makes no contribution to evolution.
Going minimal is just another trend and it really is no more superior than any other type of techno.
I`d like to see artists branching out rather than releasing the same record again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
As far as I’m concerned no ones going minimal, its more the minimal scene has just grown, good on it I say. I wouldn’t say it’s a trend neither, I mean surely people who listen to it are more than fashion slaves. I think people ought to get over the fact that people are genuinely interested in something they don’t understand or like.
I can relate to it, to an extent as my interest in a lot of techno has started to fizzle. I mean there’s stuff out there that I love but its rare, very rare. People started layering loops instead of building new rhythms and focusing on clever changes, etc. I have started to find it lazy. Its all a matter of opinion, but in mind its as simple as that. All this minimal stuff has the rhythms, clever changes but has no attitude and that’s why I am not interested in it.
Me personally, I’m finding grime or dubstep much more straight up, innovative and exciting. I don’t have a problem with this as for me its sounding more techno than most techno does as it has a little more than a lazily produced half baked loop. Dont agree? So sue me :lol:
I do love a lot of the new minimal stuff (specially a couple of Hawtrin sets posted here recently and that Alex Under set) but at the end of the day it's just another sub genre that is going through a phase right now. The sets i prefer to hear really go through the works not just sticking to one small part of whats out there. Why limit yourself to one small sub genre.
For those of you who dont know what im talking about check...
Rephlex
and try to blank out the mc :lol:
Mark can you do something about the hyperlink font on here, that was a link i posted above..
http://www.thedivide.co.uk/audio/Rephlex.mp3
cheers
nps yeah will do that mate this week. am working on a slightly better colour scheme so that's now on the list!
i'm lovin watchin techno evolve :)
i just think it's always boring when a dj only plays one style throught an entire set. i love some of the more minimal tunes, but many of the djs lpaying it just keep it all linear...one speed...no cuts, no nothing...just end to end mixes of the samey sounding bleep bloop all night.
i love to hear people mix it up. start out with some minimal then go funky then go drummy then go banging then go weird then mellow out again. that keeps my interest better than more than an hour of anything that sounds exactly like the last hour.
my three cents...
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Originally Posted by The Divide
heavy heavy heavy ;) thats what im talking bout bruv...da gal dem shake dat batty high n shake da batty low
hehe hotness
u made me wana go to a grime rave now so bad
Stop , wait, raise your fist, raise your fist. Tasha, shes ruff like dat shes a masha, she mash you up rude bowwwwwyyyyQuote:
Originally Posted by miss bass
I´d heard the term grime before and not known what it was, so thanks for the link. Thing is, that just sounds like a Top Buzz mix from 1993. Just sounds like old skool breakbeat hardcore. Hey, I like it, but it´s not new!!! Break beats, dark b-lines, stab sounds, bad bwoy mc. This is just Moondance all over again!!
;)
Yeah I mean, I like grime.. but it's really nothing new.
Try some of the dixxy rascal stuff and the london grime thing. It`s more glitchy, computery, and seriously ****ed up.
Actually those links were to tracks they were playing which were more like you say breakbeat/hardcorish. Can have a couple of full mixes hereQuote:
Originally Posted by teknorich
http://spannered.org/mixes/vexd/vexd_nov11_2005.mp3
http://www.thedivide.co.uk/audio/SET...AT_THE_END.mp3
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db, il have to check that...
The Divide, we need to get grimey!!!!
That Vexd link is seriously bassey, OH YEH
I don't mind minimal, there's a lot of good stuff out there, I just hate the hype created around it. I've seen guys switching from techno to schranz to electro and minimal. What will be next: gabber ?
oh my god i just went minimal! :smoke:
i went minimal last wednesday, but by the friday id actually discovered liquid dnb, and by saturday id actually gone liquid dnb
Got a tracklist for that Mark ?Quote:
Originally Posted by crime
Some nice tracks in there.
i'd like to go minimal........but i think being fat defeats the purpose of minimalizm :lol:
because the 808 just sounds great on its own !Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
although this experiment was carried out succesfully in the mid 80's
Hey Dave.....I absolutely LOVE that remix you did for Eric Sneo.....nothing minimal about that tune at all :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
here's most of it, maybe fill in the gaps anyone? anyway:Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick
01.Lawrence - Cab Driver - Novamute
02.Hertz 4
03.Studio 1 - Silber - Studio 1
04.Mike Shannon - Blind Love - Spectral Sound
05.False - beginners luck? - Plus 8
06.???
07.Lawrence - The night will last forever (John Tejada remix) - Novamute
08.False - River Camping - Minus
09.Maurizio - M4.5 - Maurizio
10.Richie Hawtin - Statikphunk
11.Cristian Vogel - Room with a view - NIT
12.Plastikman - Hypokondriak - Minus
13.Audion - ?? - Spectral Sound
14.Audion - The Pong - Spectral Sound
15.Audion - New J - Spectral Sound
16.Thomas Bangalter - Roule Boule - Roule
17.???
18.Audion - Just ****ing - Spectral Sound
19.Joey Beltram - Instant (Paul Johnson remix) - Tresor
20.Paul Johnson - U remind me of some sex - Dance Mania
21.DWA - DWA - Recognition
22.Mark Hawkins - Rubber Bass - Feinwerk
23.Dave Tarrida - Terminally Yours - Tresor
24.Digital Primate - I Wanna See Ya Shake Yo'Ass - Pro-Jex
25.Chicago Bad Boys - Groove Theory - Djax Up Beats
well mexico city is like little berlin nowadays in the fact that everywhere you go it is flimsy minimal all night long. it is funny the way folks go either chinsy, flimsy minimal or near speedcor schranz with not much in between what a letdown nowadays i am enjoying making funk and pop music now f uck em....
guys... we are not going minimal arn't we?!?
last time i saw an article where they explained:
"minimal was the answer against the harder techno".
I'm still not sure I understand this statement as of page 6 anymore than I did when it was page 1. Someone really needs to explain how this is the new thing? I still don't hear minimal when I go out. If it's the new black for some scene, well, that scene is likely in it's death throes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK
where are you going out?Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
just check out the avarage party in Holland or Germany.
NYC. I've seen no change. Holland still seems pretty dominated by trance and hardstyle with your big gabber party here and there. Haven't seen minimal really influencing that yet. As for Germany, dunno. "The Berlin Sound" walways sounded minimal to me.
gabber parties are already outdated for 10 years... trance is also something that's not a rage anymore for years.... hardstyle is still going strong.... minimal is the hype now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
really you should come around to europe to check it all out for yourself. there was a lot of changes going on for the last 2 years.
Minimal is gay...
Saw and heard some live work of Reich @ Concertgebouw in Amsterdam, in March he will be playing the piano and violin, quite exciting...
Btw listen to Ritzi he is the goeroe in the Dutch dancescene...
Agree whole heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Divide
The recent Vex'd album had more Techno oomph than 90% of the stuff I've listened to at the record shop lately.
Holland is dominated by stupid people...Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
:eyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkachar
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Originally Posted by Akkachar
which reich`s piece was performed? i saw drumming few months ago and was blown away. its quite spectacular to experience it physically.
They were also performing Drumming it was a 2 hour pianoviolence performance, without him though...
It was sweet...
Where the hell have you been? Ever hear of the Robots parties at Cafe Deville or Canal Room? What about Wolf & Lamb in BK? NYC is overun with minimal hipsters.....WAKE UP!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
and what was he doing in the other show? nodding his head in agreeing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkachar
It's always been like that, Becka. Maybe my ears were just open longer. In fact, it's a good reason why don't see me wasting my time with events for such a crowd over, oh, the past 8-9 years. So, as I said, no change.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Becka
Ritzi, the last time I was in the Netherlands was about 2 years ago. Masters of Hardcore still seemed to be packing out arenas. Q-Dance had the largest and most populated stage at Mysteryland. Trance was the shit I heard bumping on the radio/television. So, hell, maybe minimal has gotten some more attention. But, I'm just having a hard time swallowing that the successful ID&T norms have taken a backseat to it in sales/popularity there recently.
i saw "the cave" live once. not his best, but still very exciting to be there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkachar
after reading this topic and all of the replies.....
wow.
nice points Zahn.
I've been enjoying the current evolution of Techno productions, I am going with it right now, making sure to avoid alot of the other crap out there.
I agree with what was said with "just for shits and giggles" statement, I think it opens up an opportunity to be more creative.
Yeah I had a hunch abou that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tocsin
MOH, Qlubtempo, Qlimax and all those Q-Dance productions all have the same crowd, meaning people who are fans of Q-Dance. It's not really about the music played over there. Q-Dance always attracts a kind of public... The kind that Akkachar really discusts. :eyes:Quote:
Masters of Hardcore still seemed to be packing out arenas. Q-Dance had the largest and most populated stage at Mysteryland.
My personal meaning. The real Gabber scene is allready gone for years. There are no real gabber clubs anymore like the legendary Rotterdam club "Parkzicht". OK 2 years ago ID&T did a Thunderdome reunion party in Amsterdam in October. The place was packed... The funny thing was they did an oldschool hardcore stage and the so called modern hardcore stage. There was a total difference, and also a lot of difference in crowds. You could really see the changes for the past 15 years.
I would say that scene is too focked up to really call it a scene.. It's more hooligans and skinheads now, then people who just want to go to a party to have fun.
The last Amsterdam Dance event this year in october Trance was in minority. I've met a guy from New York who was looking for interesting Dutch Trance artists. He didn't succeed because there where non. OK there was Paul van Dijk and people like Katana. But he already know these people for years, and already boked them because he doesn't know any better... Also Duncan from ID&T made a statement that the big trance DJ's are way over there head now considering themselves as popstars, refusing to play with other more little acts, and only want to play parties for 15000 people and more. . So I wouldn't want to call that a scene anymore. That is also the main reason there are no real trance club nights anymore, because it's all too expensive now.Quote:
Trance was the shit I heard bumping on the radio/television.
It's radical times mate. Who knows what will happen next.Quote:
So, hell, maybe minimal has gotten some more attention. But, I'm just having a hard time swallowing that the successful ID&T norms have taken a backseat to it in sales/popularity there recently.
Fine. But, are they still moving more units and heads than "minimal?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritzi
Same question as above. I don't want to get into semantics over what people might consider "gabber" so we can just call it "hardcore" instead. Third Movement, Enzyme and Genosha have had no problems quickly running through their presses. Plus, I know the TOA guys play some fairly large "hardcore" parties in the Netherlands still. Minimal techno is selling more units and bringing in greater turnouts?Quote:
My personal meaning. The real Gabber scene is allready gone for years. There are no real gabber clubs anymore like
the legendary Rotterdam club "Parkzicht". OK 2 years ago ID&T did a Thunderdome reunion party in Amsterdam in
October. The place was packed... The funny thing was they did an oldschool hardcore stage and the so called modern
hardcore stage. There was a total difference, and also a lot of difference in crowds. You could really see the
changes for the past 15 years.
I would say that scene is too focked up to really call it a scene.. It's more hooligans and skinheads now, then
people who just want to go to a party to have fun.
Seriously, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Not saying it isn't true. But, I want to make sure were using the same measurement.
Can someone explain exactly what this term means please?! The only time I've ever seen or heard it has been in the last week from Dustin :) Does it mean a bit of fun or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by mindbender
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
you don't say that? "for shits and giggles" means "just for the hell of it." just for fun or just because you feel like it...like if massplanck did a live PA then overdubbed shred guitar to have a laugh...
Thanks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
Nah, we might say "for the craic" or "for the laugh" or something like that :cool:
:lol: :lol: :lol: