Where's the best place for hard techno right now?

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Originally Posted by Paul Nisbet

in scotland its pretty poo tbh,

Edinburgh is very strong for techno, but not the hard stuff, hope it changes soon. Although there are free parties where a lot of the djs play mad french/euro techno which is like at a hardcore pace.

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That's a real shame - back in 99/2000 Edinburgh's hard techno scene was brilliant. Studio 24 would have something on every week (Apex, Subtle Logic, E-ruptor (which is still going) and Pillbox which was possibly the best clubnight ever until it got all political and went tits up), and then there were the wee nights like Loop. Pure used to have some quality guests tho less hard techno orientated, and Sublime down at Wilkie used to get Billy Nasty and Adam Beyer now and again.
Then there were the free parties!
Then Dogma started (as Lost) and while their parties have been excellent with guests ranging from Surgeon to Subhead to Chris Liberator, they also seemed to attract a lot of the purists. Subsequently for me the techno scene in Edinburgh became incredibly closed-minded and political. A real shame.

Sure as f#6k isn't America!

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Subsequently for me the techno scene in Edinburgh became incredibly closed-minded and political. A real shame

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Do you think so? I think it's just starting to really open up now .. there are techno nights on every weekend .. Sativae is back monthly, we're doing our thing, UTI are going strong, Pure just filled the Studio's to capacity, Digital are doing well, there's another two hard nights starting at the Venue which are being run by some of the free party crews, Slam vs Bugged Out is attracting some big names, something for everyone surely?

Are we really seen as purists? That's not our intention at all .. quite the opposite in fact.

Voodoo was my local for about 3 years, i think i missed about 2 or 3 in that period. The Rush and Bone night was ****in magical, Rush absolutely ripped La Bateau to pieces. Ive seen some seriously brilliant and downright inspiring Djs in that place, i was ****in gutted when i heard it was to close.

Furness - are you referring to Elate and Tom when u mentioned the Sieling night? in which case he didnt actually put the night on, it was Becky and Degsy who did all the hard work. I actually headlined the month after as Organisation with my friend Bren, there were about 250 people there tho for our gig, that was a class night

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Originally Posted by Geoff Dogma

Do you think so? I think it's just starting to really open up now .. there are techno nights on every weekend .. Sativae is back monthly, we're doing our thing, UTI are going strong, Pure just filled the Studio's to capacity, Digital are doing well, there's another two hard nights starting at the Venue which are being run by some of the free party crews, Slam vs Bugged Out is attracting some big names, something for everyone surely?

Are we really seen as purists? That's not our intention at all .. quite the opposite in fact.

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Interesting - and good to hear! I haven't lived in Edinburgh now for 3 years, and I've only been back once in the last 10 months. Every time prior to that a lot of the people I knew from the Apex/Pillbox days (respect for Apex Geoff, another wicked night) said that the scene had lost it's fun, a lot of nights weren't doing that well, there was too many politics involved and a lot of people were just generally becoming very arsey about their techno. We were at a party where I overheard someone say "anyone who plays loops is shit" and another person slating the harder techno that the likes of Cluster and RAW put out. 3 or 4 years ago these would've rocked the dancefloor, and while I'll agree that non-stop loops becomes dull as hell after about half an hour, I think they have a huge role to play in the techno scene.

I don't see the Dogma promoters as purists - at the end of the day you're putting on a night that's showcasing what you want to hear, and bringing in different artists, and total respect for that. I get the feeling if you were purists you wouldn't have booked Chris Liberator a couple of years ago.

Unfortunately quite a few people seem to have seen your night as meaning "hard techno (in the conventional sense) is bad", which is obviously not what you're trying to achieve. As with a lot of purists, I think this is a case of people trying to look cooler than they really are.

The last Dogma I went to - DJ Rush (see, it's been a while) - had a very different atmosphere from what I was used to at the Studios. The dancefloor was rammed, but there just didn't seem to be the atmosphere and the friendliness that was there in the days of Pillbox. It's almost as if it had become untrendy to have a happy face and be civil. And techno is the last scene that would ever be trendy! It just compiled for me everything I'd been told by the people I knew up in Edinburgh who still went out.

But what you've said cheers me up a lot :) I'm gonna be up again in October sometime, so if you know of anything good on (what weekend are you doing Dogma that month?) let me know, and hopefully it'll completely shatter my current opinions of the Edinburgh techno scene.

Hi Paul. Glad you liked Apex, didn't realise anyone still remembered it :)

The DJ Rush night was I think the night I've liked least atmosphere wise out of all the ones we've done. You're quite right, it was very busy but there was an odd atmosphere, not like Dogma at all, more just a big name playing in a club. We were expecting the crowd to change a bit due to Rush not having played for many years and attracting different people to our regulars, but not to the extent that it did. Dogma's normally much more friendly, with much smiling :)

Music wise, yup, we're just booking who we want to play rather than trying to fit genres .. earlier this year our nights included Henrik B followed by Regis live followed by Uglyfunk (Mark Hawkins live and Jerome djing) followed by The Youngsters so we're still pretty diverse. All the nights went really well and we had a lot of folk saying that they weren't expecting to enjoy whoever as they didn't like that style of music but actually had a great night, which is all good ..

In October we are on the 17th when we're hosting the launch night for Glenn Wilson's new album "Nightshift" on Punish Recs. Glenn's doing a 2 hour live set followed by a Final Scratch dj set, which should be pretty tasty, hopefully you're about that weekend ..

yeah i was referring to tom eyes without a face.......
hmm didnt think he'd did everything.....to be quite honest....how can i put this...hes turned into quite a strange bloke has tom...
watch out for jasbof soon in december....with a rather nice guest linedup!

Well, according to The Hype in this month's oh-so-trendy The Face magazine :

"WEY TO GO: Eclectic Electric is a club in Weymouth, promoted by Rock Apes (a local term for people from the island of Portland), that plays... well, eclectic stuff, but especially techno, electro and, er, ghettotech. Gettotech in Weymouth? Gotta be good."

So it seems Wahey-mouth! is where it's really at, folks ! 8)

Sorted! Right pack your bags people...Its off to 'sunny' Weymouth! 8)

Weymouth is the new Brighton.. Far more on the pulse and a damn site less expensive...

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Originally Posted by Geoff Dogma

Hi Paul. Glad you liked Apex, didn't realise anyone still remembered it :)

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You'd be surprised mate - we all still talk fondly of that and Pillbox :)
The fact you say that though shows how much it's all changed since I've been there! :lol:

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The DJ Rush night was I think the night I've liked least atmosphere wise out of all the ones we've done. You're quite right, it was very busy but there was an odd atmosphere, not like Dogma at all, more just a big name playing in a club. We were expecting the crowd to change a bit due to Rush not having played for many years and attracting different people to our regulars, but not to the extent that it did. Dogma's normally much more friendly, with much smiling :)

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See that's the crowd I remember from the early days, when you had people like Mike Humphries, Chris Liberator, or even when it was just the residents!

I think a lot of my mates who I went with to the DJ Rush night had been getting a little fed up with the Edinburgh techno scene at that point because it was going through a big change - as of course it had to, but you know a lot of people's attitude to change. That night was the final nail in the coffin if you like, although things have apparently improved.

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Music wise, yup, we're just booking who we want to play rather than trying to fit genres .. earlier this year our nights included Henrik B followed by Regis live followed by Uglyfunk (Mark Hawkins live and Jerome djing) followed by The Youngsters so we're still pretty diverse.

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The Youngsters! A brilliant move - I'd have loved to have seen them. Nothing I can say for the rest except total respect to you for doing it!

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All the nights went really well and we had a lot of folk saying that they weren't expecting to enjoy whoever as they didn't like that style of music but actually had a great night, which is all good ..

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Education is just as important as entertainment right enough... (there's a wanky purist saying for ye :wink:)

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In October we are on the 17th when we're hosting the launch night for Glenn Wilson's new album "Nightshift" on Punish Recs. Glenn's doing a 2 hour live set followed by a Final Scratch dj set, which should be pretty tasty, hopefully you're about that weekend ..

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Haven't decided yet mate, but I might just be there. I haven't seen Pyz in a long time and I know he's eats sleeps and shits Punish, so it'd be a good chance to get up, see the old faces and enjoy the new wave of the Edinburgh techno scene...

Nice one mate. Keep up the good work!

Eastern bloc! Not only do they love hard techno but they are ****ing cute too!

yeah toms a bit ****ed up now i think, ive had a few mad sit offs with him like. hes generally a sound lad tho

would that be a new techno night in liverpool then>?

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Originally Posted by Geoff Dogma

In October we are on the 17th when we're hosting the launch night for Glenn Wilson's new album "Nightshift" on Punish Recs. Glenn's doing a 2 hour live set followed by a Final Scratch dj set, which should be pretty tasty, hopefully you're about that weekend ..

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Aaargh. I'll be heading back from Majorca that night. I'd have travelled through to Edinburgh for that as well. :evil:

That is something im not gonna miss for the world...... honestly i am so excited about seeing glenn. the guy is a legend who has me sleeping easy at night with the quality techno he releases.... well done dogma.

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I haven't seen Pyz in a long time

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Ironically Pyz is playing Dogma in two weeks, under his new moniker "Hustler".

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Originally Posted by Geoff Dogma

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I haven't seen Pyz in a long time

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Ironically Pyz is playing Dogma in two weeks, under his new moniker "Hustler".

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Having seen some of Pyz's porn collection, that's probably quite suitable :wink:

London! But the crowds really are not as friendly as 'up north' even if the size of the scene is much, much bigger and so much easier to see underground artists week in, week out.

New Yawk Sh*tty November 8th.
We'll be king for a day.

as i'm in berlin i should say berlin, but they have soooooooo much other stuff too i can honestly say the rest of the world should be a bit embarresed at the scope of underground music here.

go t-funkshun liverpool, go for it scotty!! :clap:

and the rest that i know have been mentioned.
spain, birmingham, glasgow, brazil, eastern block.

laaaaaaaaaaavley!!!!

dustin:: come on man, kick some american ass!! its up to you dude :clap: :clap: :clap: go go !! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Tony

dustin:: come on man, kick some american ass!! its up to you dude :clap: :clap: :clap: go go !! :lol:

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A lot of us yank's are trying to do something around here. It's going to take some time and dedication, but I hope it all pays off.


As for hard techno, or techno for that matter...I think most people in America have forgotten what its all about. It never used to be that way. Now in America to most people hard techno means Hawtin and Carl Cox. There's still some true believers out there!

Far and few in between.
Look at that chat the other day.
13 people all from all across the country.

get ur asses over to belfast...........

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

I think the UK's getting quite good at the mo you know. PPl seem to be opening up a little more to the sound. What are everyone's else's thoughts? Where's the best towns/cities/countries for the hard sound?

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whenever francois k plays at sankeys......

fukking mindblowing.... and such a passion for what he does.

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Originally Posted by ampassasinbirmingham

birmingham can be excellent for techno. there is at least one quality techno or electro night on per week.

i cant see why so many people see birmingham as an eye sore?

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hmmmm. maybe because it looks like a sack of sh!t without the sack ....

i live local myself, but am forced to admit, it would look better if it looked like somewhere else that erm .... looks better. Wales for instance, lovely rolling hills, plenty of goats and sheep and not a rotunda in sight.

duncan u live in wolverhampton. thats y u think that. Its the overspill of birmingham.

wolverhampton/birmingham?? whats the difference, both shit holes, both got shit football teams & both got annoying accents :lol: only jokin lads. ;)

ones got a better football team than yours:)

i love my accent ... its great! ay it!

..... and i think youll find birmingham is wolverhamptons overspill. we bin round for time chap ... one of the oldest towns in the country dont you know ...... just cos u got clubs and stuff to do at night .... lol

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Originally Posted by ampassasinbirmingham

ones got a better football team than yours:)

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:lol:

;) ah. you noticed me skillfully sidestepping that issue ... there is a perfectly good reason for that -

oh is that the time. i must be off....

I think Germany still has the edge on it but Belgium is a close second.....then again Brazil was great.....

Holland is comin too! And of course we can´t forget eastern Europe.

Yes sir, hardtechno is really getting popular these days :cool:

yeah so Amok, you gotta produce more...
back to the studio with ya....