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what, you like the discomfort of that lacy thong chaifing your gonads............erm, not that i'd know about that or owt :oops: :paranoid:
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what, you like the discomfort of that lacy thong chaifing your gonads............erm, not that i'd know about that or owt :oops: :paranoid:
I like my buttocks and bollocks being spread....
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Originally Posted by Jay Pace
You do.
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Originally Posted by dan the acid man
You wear them so much better than me.
why thanks...................erm.......oh sh*t :oops:
make your own loops, lazy motherfunkies
i do... but they seem to go around in circles!! :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Kemix
They do dont they, but when you press stop......they stop :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
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Originally Posted by Jay Pace
dude... i been using this board on & off for 2-3 years under different names... i jus dont see why ppl are so nasty.. totally pointless.
actually, it makes for 99% of the reason i aint been posting in about 7-8 months.
i mean, this thread was about loops.. then theres a small trade if transvestitism... i dont care either way.. but i dont see the point. seems pretty childish to me.
others have been overtly nasty.. calling ppl 'idiots' & 'stupid c**ts' on the grounds of a difference of opinion ???
but it matters not a jot to me.. so keep on keepin on kids ;)
Womens underwear seems to consist mainly of loops. I mean there's not much else there really is there except a small triangle.
Didn't the musicians union try and ban the mellotron for playing "recorded" sounds... this is reminind me of that nonsense now...
It is a shame when someone lifts pretty much wholesale and gets misplaced respect for it, but chaque us a son gout. The technology's there to do all sorts of things and sampling's one of them. Shame not to use it if you got it..?
meh. i got a bit thick. i was locked. i was a bit mad at this statement though
"on the other hand if you're lucky enough to have the talent and patience to create everything from scratch then fair play."
I'd cut shit from DVD's films etc.. door creakin, cats shittin that kind of shit etc but as far i'm concerned sampling from techno to make techno isnt very techno. k?
y did me saying that make you angry? not every one has got the talent or patience, i know i dont! if i cant make a breakbeat myself, i use other sources and mangle them as best i can. theres no shame in admitting that. thats why i use this forum, to try learn how to do it. ... if i did have the talent i'd have probably had a whole load of releases by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
every does have the patience tho....... you just have to sit it out. and you thank yourself for it afterwards man, deffo!!
you do have the patience though, everyone does, you just have to do it. and if you know youve put the work in youll reap the rewards too, and feel alot better about what you are doin IMO
****in bleep
you can have alot of fun making loops, just sit down and write a few to listen back to and use when required
what about lifting a groove from someone else? anyone any ideas on that?
how do you mean, like the note patterns
no, the actual groove.. the placement of the notes.
acid pro has a "groove-lift" function - where you lift the groove, keep the swing but put in your own notes.
i've never felt the need to do that, nor would i want to, most of the fun i get out of making my piss poor music is to get my own patterns going
just wondering. its something thats been done for years. a lot of non-electronic producers have done it too. they like a bassline but write their own notes but the note placement is the same.
k...
what about the latest Bissmire & Bam Bam 12 on 50Hz ? every one of the 5 tracks has a previously used sample.. vocal cuts from old jack records and (most lazy of all) the Rush vocal from Right On Up...
now, by what has been said so far, this is lazy, weak & cheeky.
personally, i was very dissapointed, but what do you guys think ?
to be fair, i did myself use the Rush vocal for ONE live show.. but it was mangled in the track with the start & end loop points being chopped until it was a constant tone.
as for the Ignacio (steve rachmad) track on Music Man, i think its a well placed sample used very well in a great track.. amazing bassline...
again, great input ppl.. lets keep on topic & leave the underwear for 'er indoors ;)
why dont you want you be youself?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
what is your problem mate? if you dont want to join in a discussion without dissing people dont bother. i do what i do - you really dont need to concern yourself with why i do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
this has nothing to do with being myself. i'm asking a question about a function in a sequencer and if anyone had any ideas on it. how you figured that it means i dont want to be myself, i dont know. you've made it blatantly clear what you think of sampling/looping/whatever, so please leave the rest of us that are enjoying the discussion to it.
jesus.
I just dont get this whole concept of no patience and 'lifting' & 'hijacking' stuff from someone else buzz. Its a discussion and if you are gonna say stuff like that dont expect people on a discussion forums to agree with everything you say.
*mOST* people here get a buzz out of actually creatings everything from scratch in their heads and with their hands i'd imagine.. Thats not to say samples + wavs from here and there arent used but wouldnt agree with the whole " throwing loops about the place to enhance the overall product is ok in my book"view of yours.
If you want to make subtle rythmns behind a new track of yours why not just sample an old or unfinished track of your own and do your thing with recycle & a low pass filter. Same difference except its all your own.
i do.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
and believe me, i have no problem with people disagreeing with me but "why dont you want to be yourself" is not voicing an opinion and dont get me started on the abuse you came out with earlier. samplers/loop players are there for a reason. if i choose to make use of them thats MY choice and i certainly dont wanna listen to this kinda crap from one narrow minded person because of it.
obviously you have a strong belief in creating "everything" yourself and thats your own choice but to be honest, you're living in a world where sampling is very very commonplace. look at "the streets" "KLF" "primal scream"... jesus, even the verve were at it. The sampler has become an instrument in its own right and used creativly, can be very very effective. i know that if someone used a loop from one of my tracks in a creative way then i'd no longer consider it my loop.
maybe you just view a sampler in a differant way. but please try not to get aggro with me because i choose a differant opinion.
also, if you're going to quote me please use it within the context it was meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
in that case i was refering to an ableton dj/live set. ie full tracks/loops from tracks & seperate instrument parts.
its very easy to quote people here while at the same time misrepresenting them.
ok sorry for getting aggro. i'm having my beer-iod due to christmas. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
whats the whole point of this argument then? Can we use samples in techno? :eh:
If the verve were sampling oasis i'd have a problem.. same goes if goldie started sampling roni size & mark eg started sampling adam beyer. I think sampling techno to make techno isnt very bright. Especially when you dont let people know whose samples/loops they are and how much 'creativity' has gone into it. The verve,klf & primal scream use ONE specfic well known sample per tune\album (usually light years removed from their own sound\genre) and would create a unique song around it & then credit the artist on the sleeve. Do you credit artists? Chances are you could be playing a live gig people would come up and say that sounded great and walk away with knowing that all you did was chop up a few marco lenzi records and filter them. I'm not saying you do this but whose to know if thats your stance?
what i quoted means the same as what you said below. except this time you were talking about your own productions. And then you tell us that 'everyone' generally does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
"every one generally does it. i often rob loops and use them in my own productions. as long as you dont use it in the same context the original track uses and try to disguise it and make it your own, i dont see it as a problem"
i'm not getting think you do have a weird view.
anyway i fold. i'm off to sample myself.
[quote="massplanck"] Do you credit artists? quote]
i do credit artists. if you look in the producers forum, i have credited any artist i've used a loop/sample from.
Ok you are a remixer or something. You put a kick over si begg tune in response to all the people slagging the schranz bootlegs. I dunno. Do what you wanna do but its personally not my cuppa tea or normal.
no i didn't "You put a kick over si begg tune in response to all the people slagging the schranz bootlegs" i did it because i wanted to see if i could do a bootleg that sounded good. if you listened to it you would hear a lot mare than just a kick has been added. also i have my own productions posted, try having a listen to them first b4 deciding who/what is normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
ok lets stop this from getting into a two way personal argument guys.
at the minute its not too bad. i think its been quite a healthy discussion, with healthy debate on both sides, but the past few posts are edging towards personal arguments
bang on dan.. good show :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dan the acid man
personally, i think mass is being a bit pointy.. theres no right or wrong here. jus opinion. and whilst i may not agree with them all, i certainly take them on board & respect them. well, no harm done is there :razz:
i have, and will continue to, lift loops. for example.. i have taken L7, Neds Atomic Dustbin & NIN (to name but a few) and sliced & diced them into techno trax. and most times ive let ppl hear them, they have no idea what i sampled. ive also lifted loops from house records & mashed them into 8 beat loops of noise. ive taken dnb loops & slowed them & pitched them up in key & made growling loops. and tbh, i think its jus as creative as programming Reaktor with the same old presets via Cubase ;)
i agree jus lifting 4 beats untreated & using them as a basis for your track IS lazy, but isnt that what remixes have become ? actually, thats another thread lol
heres another.... pete (a mate of mine known as slavestudios before he got banned lol) put up 100 free loops. he made them, posted them & gave them away. and there are ppl using them. which has put the smile on petes face.. hell, ive used them for Ableton sets & it got him grinning.. he really buzzes off it knowing ppl are digging his loops. so, is this ok ? i think it is.. but i would say that.. hes a mate :roll:
anyhoo, keep it up pppl... top thread & no mistake :cheese:
i think there's a bit of over-reaction in this thread. Just taking a loop right out of an existing record and plonking it in ur work and calling it your own is just plaing wrong. Chop it up, edit it, build the track around the loop by all means but not crediting the original artist or mentioning where the loop came from is wrong. There's the whole moral issue of course, some people think nothing of taking a loop of someone else's work and just sticking it in their own rather prominently and not batting an eyelid at calling it their own work. There is evidence of this on the market of course, it's not unfair to mention the whole skulltunes facade because everyone knows about it anyway.
Pete's loop's are a great example, because he made them solely for people to use, and i use pete as an example because i used his loops in a few tracks which ended up getting taken for release. The first was the "A Body To Jack" track which Glenn took for Template, it was a track i worked up out of pete's loop's and my own track parts such as the percussions and kick and my production work, so it was a straight collab in my eyes and it went down as such, Scott Gray and Pete Donaldson, which was only fair. Another is a track on an ep i have coming up on advanced, where ive used 2 of pete's loops in a track, but its not a colab, as the loop's arent as prominent and it's a solo ep, but i have given him a big thanks on the record, which is only fair, and Pete's more than happy with this
bottom line is, it's up to people to make their own mistakes when it comes to sampling, you know when your doing a track using other loops/loop sources wether or not your overstepping the mark, its just some dont bother to step back
well said eyes. mr rhythmtech i apologise but still hold the view that YOU CAN make better loops or sounds than those you try and sample. And by doing that you might well be 10 times more satisfied with yourself for perservering.
anyway. i dunno if you have gathered i like *pure* machines & noises.. sometimes i feel *computer* sampling\looping etc has turned techno into a big huge ball of muck with lots weird arms & legs sticking out of it.
Then again. I'm all alone on this.
Aplogies again.
ok. i dunno.i thought the whole point of making music was to expliciatlllitiatsiality express yourself. I dont want to have someones elses haircut or sample some1 elses *feelings* or ex[pression} to express myself. Its ok i suppose of you are looking for a few sounds to make a tune, but i'd get more out of screaming into a microphone about my personal demons & trashing my machines against a wall than by rearranging some one elses work.
Maybe thats what techno or whatever its called is missing these days.
actually sometimes i think i'm in right forum at all at all.
i meant *not* :clown:
the whole point of music is to get records out and get more bookings.
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Originally Posted by Miromiric
luka i love you even if you are a serb.
no offense to serbs btw.
PS: Did you know that bosnians are 10% more likely to sample croats then slovenians. ****ed up world.
of course you're in the right forum you numpty :cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
any forum is bound to have a variety of people with different views on things, i suppose thats what makes them interesting.
Nick McCabe once said in an interview (ex guitarist of the verve)
The key to music is create like a child and edit like a scientist. I've been living my life to that! You have your fun and then you apply hindsight to it.
of course you're in the right forum you numpty :cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
any forum is bound to have a variety of people with different views on things, i suppose thats what makes them interesting.
Nick McCabe once said in an interview (ex guitarist of the verve)
The key to music is create like a child and edit like a scientist. I've been living my life to that! You have your fun and then you apply hindsight to it.
i dunno if i am dan. for the last 2 years mr Itoh has had the piss ripped out of him on this forum for *sampling* various techno records on releases yet this sort of stuff seems fine for a BOA member to do, or at least for them not get pulled up on it, without someone calling for restraint. I cant stand having lot of little yellow folders with the emotions of others who have sampled the emotions of others, on hand ready to fire into a program that everyone else uses. And then have to talk about it never mind defend it.
I only hang around here because i have a big post count which makes people think i know what i'm talking about (i dont).
All i know is that i have a certain *unholy* bond with sound and if outside forces ie (everyone else) start upsetting the order of things in my own little ****ed up head i'm most likely gonna freak out and defend it and leave BOA in a big huff and lots of smoke.
Respect 2. Slavik/Sunil/Luka the Serb/Teh Divide/G/Dan the Acid Man/Traxx/Dirty/Aratron/Mr Eg/SummerofSam/Jay Pace/Si/TechMouse/Dodgy & RorySt/Mistah Wedding DJ & all the funny ****ers.
Massplanck is dead. Long live his mystical biscuit tin bashing psedonoymn
like i said in the other thread you started, just keep doing what you're doing, believe in what you're doing and have fun in what you're doing, it doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks really, your creating your own sound, love it and live it.
oh, and dont go leaving this place either
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Originally Posted by massplanck
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bonkers man.. totally bonkers :lol: