aight. creativity is in the mind without restricting yourself in a certain style.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
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aight. creativity is in the mind without restricting yourself in a certain style.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
i think dj's need to stop thinking about playing the same old sound through their whole set and concentrate on just playing quality music.
far too much shite getting played that just fills a gap if you ask me.
no clarity, no depth, no funk. but it sound like the rest of my set so i'll play it hahah.
techno is techno. we all say its about moving forward but is it really?
i tend not to agree with that.
maybe newer sounds are being made in techno but thats about it.
forgive me for being negative but theres tunes from 94/95 that wipes the floor with most of the stuff the big names are doing right now.
i still love it though :cheese:
techno needs more nice warm clear sounds again IMO rather than all this wishy washy shite.
yeah i'm with oldbugger. it's all about putting your heart and soul into it, and not thinking about sets having to be this type or that. so much good music out there, old and new...mix that sh*t up!
Thats so scarily true, I hear this the magority of the time and its crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbugger
DJs(I am one)Realy need to learn or dare to create vibe,energy and suspence with their record programming and mixing.
Its like some people are scared of loosing the floor or god forbid standing out by doing somthing different than the guy before him and the next guy after him(sorry, or her)
This may sound a bit Elitist or purist but its not intended that way but....most of the guys and gals that are comming in to techno from another scene be it hardhouse, trance, Hardcore, Hardstyle, drum and bass or whatever seem to miss the point and just bang out the biggest tunes they hav, mixing tracks at the last 16 bars with the only thing reconisable as set dynamics being that it got harder.
And the amount of peeps who get on the decks when its allready blasting out at silly speeds then proceeds to start their set faster.
Shit I could go on about this all day :)
One thing I do know, its shit like this that drives me on to make a point of trying harder to stand out in making and playing music in an individual and creative way.
I love artist but cant stand people who take the paint by numbers approach and pass it off as art(I relise that people dont give a shit about art or prggression so fair play but bums to ya)
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Originally Posted by oldbugger
clarity, dept, funk, dirtiness, deep & hard....
everytime when I go to the record shop I want to find these elements in techno.... Mostly without succes... If there are any, it's a rare moment I'll take with both hands.
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Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee
exactly.
i hear loads of stuff and i think "thats a good tune".
but its not that often anymore i hear a tune ans say "now thats quality"
why is this?
The older techno was based on ideas instead of layers of loops I think
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Originally Posted by AcidTrash
i agree, totally
This sums up my feelings about much of Matthew Dear's Audion output so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee
People seem to be afraid to slow down, cut loose and do something a bit weird.
Too many people play far too fast. Bring back the funk please. There's more room to experiment when you start looking from 125bpm instead of 145 bpm.
Thats the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
i have to disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jay Pace
slow music is slow
fast music is fast
but there is equal amounts of funk at all tempos
it's just of a different quality.
nah, have to go with Jay on this one, technically once you lower the bpm the scope for more funk and rhythm in the tracks is increased no end, this is pretty obvious i would of thought? seriously ask any of the schranz kids to do a track at 125bpm and watch their heads drop off in bewilderment when they realise what they do sounds terrible without being stupidly fast.
that's one of the appeal's of more minimal, stripped back house/techno, certainly for me, is that working at lower bpm's allow's wayyyyy more space to breathe and program within the track, more freedom for actual, well written synth/bass/hook lines and just overall alot more genuine feeling within the music, be it sad, happy, pissed off etc etc
different strokes for different folks really but even with the hardest techno i'd listen to i still want some elements of funk there, something to grab me into a groove as it were, and at the moment that's definately not happening with the majority of releases, so it's up to the listener to try their hand at changing that obviously
even Dj Rush has lost the funk these days
i do love some of the slower stuff (audion, mathew johnson being my main ones), but i drink FAR too much coffee to spin that slow. i just can't help myself...
yeah, i know what you mean there. I absolutely love slower electronic music, certainly producing it. it's just a lovely workout for the mind and soul too, helps me to relax and i enjoy producing it more so than anything over say 140bpm, which i rarely produce at anyway....
but spinning, yeah that's a different matter, i really cant get into spinning the slower stuff in a club, at home its great, really helps me tighten up a bit and i love djing nice, deep stuff, but out in a club even with good intentions i just find it alot more enjoyable to crank things up a notch
Are we going to see a back to the planet reformation?Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
A track can be funky at 125, but also at 145... Just check out the old Advent stuff for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Pace
But I agree it doesn't have to be speed up constantly all the time... Tracks at 125 till 135 can build up as much energy and tension to go for the big orgasm at 145.... The best DJ sets I think are build up this way.... But they do need the records to achief this.
Well people get the message anyway in time.. It's the way things always evolute...
Yes why is it that we don't feel that umppfff anymore with most new records at the shop? I don't know. But I do know there is still hope, and in the mean time there are a lot of people reading our suggestions / opinions.
One of the basic principals to refuse to buy that particular record (for me anyway) is, if I hear to many known sounds / samples, patterns that are used too many times in other productions. It's just a clone of that previous track.... Take Christian Wunch as an example. I respect him for his technique, but there was one time he released dozens of records at a row that sounded exactly the same in sounds... I mean come on man, what are you pulling out here to do such a thing?!? If you don't have the inspiration / motivatiion to create something totally new, then keep it for a next release, and don't rush it just to achief to release an everage of 50 records in a year.....
I hope this points out the problem really clear.
That does point out the problem very clear and is very very true
Yea I agree with that, its why I dont really think its wise for techno to lift other techno sounds and loops and recycle them
To be honest I think there are a lot of social changes happening right now
I think its fair to say, for example, that the scene is changing. E is not as popular and I think it played a big part in not just techno but across the party club scene. Its what kick started it but its not what’s needed to keep it afloat I think. Bit it goes without question, that it aided the whole buzz and those who are around now tend to have been around for a while instead of been relatively new to the scene.
The way we listen to music has changed, now its not really about hearing that tune over a huge rig whilst been slightly hammered and then looking for in a record shop. Its more finding what is pleasing, whilst in the comfort of our homes whilst browsing the internet. For me, when Im in this frame of mind, I want more than a few processed loops looping away in a hypnotic linear sense. Sure, as said many times, all music loops, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that techno has to be all about repetitive loops. But the backbone elements, or a even something simple like a hat pattern could do this whilst the beats change shape over a more interesting structure.
Just a couple of factors I think, maybe nonsense., maybe not, at the end of the day music will never die
one word:
money
can you expand on that :question:Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
I hope you are ready for change Mark EG.....??
....its a comin ;)
There aint none in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by el salvador
maybe when all techno stops generating money people will be less afraid to put out non conventional stuff because theres nothing to lose by doing so.
Yea!! Totally
Ah, Cullen's law...Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
Not necessarily true Scott when you say rhythm because if you speed up a track and you can have elements working over longer periods of bars. You can in effect still put the same amount of anything in just the interactions have to be spaced out further over the time period. Schranze isnt a good example as those kind of tracks are flooded with an over compressed sound. Also the heaviness of Shranze does allow much room for funk or rhythmical parts. I have heard some amazing some amazing hardcore techno, IDM, DnB or whatever at fast tempos and although there may be a fast kick, or a fast 1/16th hi hat, the actual rhythm is based upon 4, 8 or even 16 bar l changes and interactions. Good tracks like this are rare but they can happenQuote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
Tempo is the speed, it doesn’t have anything to do with rhythmical quantity just how fast it is working, however faster tempos can make some sounds, sound out of context, it can allow new rhythms to work at half time which wouldn’t sound right slower
Thats what I think
Depends on the type of music.
If you are talking 4 to the floor dance music, then kicks take up a lot of the audio room.
So when you slow it down you can make the music funkier, and it works more from the hips, dance wise, as opposed to the toes.
there`s also more spece in the mix.
But sure, fast music can be funky, fast drum and bass can be real funky, but then you step down to the half beat.
Hehe. There's no shortage of 200+bpm stuff that I would consider "funky." Silly argument. Funk is a feel/groove, not a tempo.
Im thinkin about thinkin....and i think that if you want to change your techno, then you want to change the way you think about your techno...if you change the more fundamental concepts/commitments you hold concerning what techno is, then my guess is that the way you act/react as a dj/producer/listener, will also change. However, if you change the basics too much, your future may not hold techno, as you know it, anymore...in which case you may leave most, but, perhaps not all, of your techno communiity behind. If you want to maintain the fundamentals, then, perhaps, you can't really have change...but, without really changing you might still explore techno's as yet, perhaps, unfulfilled potential, given those fundamental constraints. Nevertheless, and to the main point, i think most thinkin has to resist change...it is, pehaps, necessary...however, within the most, some re-think, for they are, perhaps, necessary too...but, can you CHOOSE to be the some instead most or vice versa? i dunno...
how much change do you want?
wow dude... its geeting deep right about now!
I think the change that will make the diff. is the method of delivery. Its standing out that there is movement away from a vinyl DJ based format to a more creative digital format. The musical structure may stay within the boundaries of what constitutes techno but the creative possibilities will expand and allow evolution in some way. Different effects, different transitions, different sounds, different builds and breaks etc.
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Originally Posted by MARK EG
There's plenty of funk rhythm and room for quality that can occur between 138 and 145.
What's missing in techno is guts to do what the f*ck you want to with your music.
Everyone's so godamned hellbent on sucking ass of the It sound at the moment.
Instead of trying to get better at what they want to do.
Slayer has yet to make a pop rock album, and those ****ers are old.
Ice Cube is still cube.
Glenn, Ben Sims, Mark Eg, all of them are still themselves.
The change should be to stop spot jockin the hot sound of the moment and be your own f*cking moment.
Good call SOS
Also holotropik said some good things regarding the digital shiznit.
I aggree 100% that Ablton and the digital musicion will play a big part in where we are heading.
Alltho I will allways buy records because I love the format dearly(yes I know we have said this a million times)Why sould we continue to buy so many records in the future(or now for that matter)when we can play our own music, our friends music(with permission of course)and buy an mp3 so simpley?
And of course there the many producers who have never been and never wanted to be Jocks who can now play to a crowd with ease and have much more controll over the way their sets a structured.
Just my thoughts guys altho I still havent got my lasy arse as good on Ableton as I am on a pair of turdtables and am myself kinda living in the past :)
lol *turntables
not so much living in the past.....as things change maybe you will evolve the style with which you play a vinyl set having listened to the techniques used with the new technology. Maybe you will require tracks to be structured in a different way and put onto viny in order to take this further?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindful
Mentioned somewhere else "does turntablism have a place in techno"?....well maybe it does just not in the sense you think of it now. As new formats influence the sound then it opens up new ways (techniques) to use existing formats in a different way....