Hawtin to open Olympics

I wish richie all the best! this is amazing for him! For a kid who was just making good music in the beginning, he's marketed himself so brilliantly that now, he's opening at the olympics.

For techno? Yeah EXCELLENT! If some more ppl enquire about our sound then GREAT!!!

I really can't understand the haters. 'Damn, he's got a brain annd is into commericalism so **** him'. Bah.. give him the respect he deserves.

Really, what the hell is taking this sound to millions gonna do for techno? For years i used to think it would destroy it. but now, i realise techno, no matter what, is wayyyyy too forward thinking to ever let commercialism destroy it. THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF TECHNO!!! it's an ethos of moving forward - NOT a complete sound.

How brilliant would it be if all people all over the world understoood this???????

I really am thinking we need to move forward. Techno has been an old boys club for too long.

Ahhh I'm talking out loud here. Just my thoughts anyway. :)

sunil: i want some of whatever you are smoking. richie just copied rob hood and then led the sheffield boys to do the same and the guys music is more boring that ever.

mark - do you & richie use the same hair "stylist" ?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

i love old plastikman sh*t...

...i'm not crazy about the new stuff though.

but that's just me...

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

sunil: i want some of whatever you are smoking. richie just copied rob hood and then led the sheffield boys to do the same and the guys music is more boring that ever.

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If he led the likes of Gez Farley (G-Man) into making minimal techno then so be it, he did well ;)

Well, I dunno if you can really compare many of Hawtin's big tracks even, to any of Hood's. I mean what about "Spastik", that in a sense is 'hard minimal techno', but nothing like Rob Hood? That was a totally unique track.

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

richie aint made something diferent since he stole the sound of rob hood and whitewashed it.

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I have never ever thought of or heard any similarities between hood or hawtin. Hood is far more direct and intense than hawtin is and you could say that about any of the earlier minimal stuff. Hawtin has done his thing from the start, I've never liked any of it but thats not the point.

I think whatever people think of hawtin should be put aside in this instance. This is a great achievement for him and would have been unheard of a couple of years ago, maybe its a sign that things are changing a little.

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Originally Posted by rhythmtech

mark - do you & richie use the same hair "stylist" ?

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah I don`t get the hood thing either.
Hood was more straight minimal.
Hawtin brought some life into the cold electronics by adding the funk of dub to the minimal sound.

C'mon I've seen Mark's cornrows.
That's Chrissi all the way.
I'll also as stated before agree with Mark on this one the exposure to techno alone will be tremendous.
A seed will be planted.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Yeah I don`t get the hood thing either.
Hood was more straight minimal.
Hawtin brought some life into the cold electronics by adding the funk of dub to the minimal sound.

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rob hood f**king rules. the man does not get enough respect, IMO...

no doubt.


but stolen, whitewashed sound? c'mon brian. nonsense.

haha hilarious, comparing Hood to Hawtin. It's pointless, both a minimal ethos sure but 2 totally different approaches to the "minimal" sound. I think people take the word minimal too literaly, very strange.

People also insist that minimal must only have one true meaning.

One camp will argue that all new minimal is a feeble take on Hood's analogue mastery of the sound.
Others will argue Hood and co. were dull, and pokerflat rules OK.

Both have an equally valid claim to be described as minimal. People get very upset about the pigeonholing going on.
Dummies have been spat out left right and centre over at littledetroit on the subject of classification.

All a bit pointless really.

hood v's hawtin...thats got to be one of the most pathetic things i have ever heard :lol:

i dont get the richie haters either..is it jealousy or what? i really dont know. i could go on for hours, but i wont coz everyone already thinks i want to shag the fella.

deafmosiac.. you crease me up...hillarious :lol:

you do want to shag the fella, there's no denying that i think mate

dude you guys really dont get it do you? without rob, there would have been no richie. i aint comparing the sound i am stating CHRONOLOGICAL facts. richie took the idea and expanded upon it, but look at his body of work and will notce the similarities in the original pieces, whatever i dont even think hawtin deserves this much explaination, but you kids who are acting like you know it all, obviously cant see the forest for the trees, hawtin had money for publicity in the early 90's and had good distribution that put him in every tower records, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM "legendary" or whatever, it just means that he has more fans via better exposure, but anybody who cant see that the guy is just taking the piss, really is blinded by the marketing.


there is so much good music out there that when i hear you kids going off like this it just reminds me of the sad state of affairs we are in, goddamned kids jump on bandwagon after bandwagon without even scratching the surface.

in 93 richie was the head of the detroit clone pack, working with uk artists COMPLETELY ripping off the sound of detroit. anybody who doesnt know that is uneducated about the history of this music. ricky villalobos admits freely that "we have rob hood to thank for all of this" but richie wouldnt even admit that the sky is blue if it affected his "innovator"status. thats why ppl hate on richie.... the guy was making records in windsor, with detroit production style and a bit of corny sheffield bleep and etching "DETROIT TECHNO" on his records. another case of a ghetto music form being whitewashed and mass produced until it is unrecognizable and homogynous.

now the whole world gets to see the boring, sad state of techno at the olypics, courtesy of an overpaid, overhyped, arrogant prick who hapened to be in the right place at the right time. richie has about as much to do with techno at this point a john digweed has to do with astral physics, F UCK ALL.


yay cheesy click house at the olypics! its a great day for techno huh? bah, the guys work completely devoid of soul and feeling and you kids lap it up!

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

dude you guys really dont get it do you? without rob, there would have been no richie. i aint comparing the sound i am stating CHRONOLOGICAL facts. richie took the idea and expanded upon it, but look at his body of work and will notce the similarities in the original pieces, whatever i dont even think hawtin deserves this much explaination, but you kids who are acting like you know it all, obviously cant see the forest for the trees, hawtin had money for publicity in the early 90's and had good distribution that put him in every tower records, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM "legendary" or whatever, it just means that he has more fans via better exposure, but anybody who cant see that the guy is just taking the piss, really is blinded by the marketing.


there is so much good music out there that when i hear you kids going off like this it just reminds me of the sad state of affairs we are in, goddamned kids jump on bandwagon after bandwagon without even scratching the surface.

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kids? you cheeky twat :shock:

yea and why not put mills or hood in the olypics????? that is the question isnt it? as much as i dont like the fact that jeff continues with the 909 sounds etc. his music is a much better representation of MUSIC and FEELING, he would make a much better ambassador for our community than an overhyped diva who doesnt even make techno any more.

kids? you cheeky twat :shock:[/quote]

well grow up then and i wont call you a kid, i dont care if you are 65, you still talk like a kid who hasnt done his homework. i byou even considered getting the plastikman logo tatooed somewhere on your body at one point, if you dont already have one.

get over yourself,

how have i not done my homework? why do i even need to?

you are one very bitter, twisted arse from what i can see. i used to love reading some of the shite you posted just for entertainment but now i think your a pretty sad cunt.

thats me out of this bullshit thread.

as for the tattoo. no thats.. i'll leave that to the kids ;)


sorry to anyone else here but this guy is a cock.

bro, call me bitter all you like, i am just blunt, to bad you havent the self esteem to realize you are part of the walking unconsious.

fair enough...

i take back the insults.
end of chat.

Sure then we can just say that every body who made techno after the belville is ripping it off and "whitewashing" it. You got an oppinion on hawtin and thats great but it doesn't mean that it's the last word. You have your say and other people have theirs.

I'm not saying that Richie Hawtin is the best producer I'd like to see at the olympics but it's better than nothing, and thats my point and maybe the point of a few people.

Is Hawtin over hyped ****in right he is, am I a fan of his no, but it doesnt mean he doesnt deserve some respect for a good achievement.

And ****1in relax with your superiority there chief.

bro i am not trying to discourage you, i know i am blunt and harsh buit at the end of the day i am trying to encourage folks like you to think for themselves and not just accept the whitewashed music that floats to the surface.

hey conan i aint acting superior, i am speaking from experience, BIG DEFERENCE THERE "CHIEF" and i am not saying that everybody after the fantastic 4 is ripping em off, folks take things and make em their own, that is part of music, but if you cant see that from "sheet one" all the way to the new shit, this dude is whitewashing and mass producing lazy compositions under the guise of minimalism then you too are part of the zombie nation

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

bro i am not trying to discourage you, i know i am blunt and harsh buit at the end of the day i am trying to encourage folks like you to think for themselves and not just accept the whitewashed music that floats to the surface.

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i was going to drop it untill you came out with that.

that is such an arrogant comment i can't actually believe you are serious. surely you are winding me up right, or are you really that stupid?

your trying to encourage me to think for myself? jesus christ will you listen to yourself?


perhaps if you took a leaf from richies book you may start to do some nice music again too instead of all that over compressed hard shite you knock out.

now that would be an even sadder day for techno if they had you playing ;) :cheese: but we would all wish you well because its what people do. just like we all are for richie except you..

your whitewashing yourself. your sound is hardly original.

sorry to make this about you, i was going to delete all what i just wrote above because i wrote it in angst, but sod it.. its my opinion on you, just like your opinion on hawtin.

i'm sure you can take it. :lol:

i'm not replying again.

good bye.

hahah this guy telling me to do some "nice music" lol he dont kno me very well do he?

like i said, you barely scrape the surface, somebody tell this guy??????


anyway: http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...ice_inside.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunjack/see-no-evil.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...ng_telefon.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...4_we_start.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...an_fiction.mp3


here is some "nice music" for you to shut your mouth. ; )

Deafmosaic is opening up the Special Olympics i hear.

Think for ourselves? what the ****? And i dont even own a hawtin record.

Go copy Jamie Lidell or something,

jamie is cool bro but i would rather copy curtis mayfield ; ). and i will be cheering for you in the gimp race after my set there guy. and i dont remember talking to you there plank but your dumbass banter is always refreshing.

Actually i was wrong. Its Curtis Mayfield who should be given the honour of opening up the paralympics. That Deafmosaic dude whitewashed his sound and ran off with his fake arms.


Now why dont I own a hawtin record?


:scratch:

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kids? you cheeky twat :shock:

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

hahah this guy telling me to do some "nice music" lol he dont kno me very well do he?

like i said, you barely scrape the surface, somebody tell this guy??????


anyway: http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...ice_inside.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunjack/see-no-evil.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...ng_telefon.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...4_we_start.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...an_fiction.mp3


here is some "nice music" for you to shut your mouth. ; )

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well i thought i would take a listen so i could not be blamed for whatever else you feel like blaming me for or calling me.

i dont want this to sound like i'm saying this just to be personal now but...

1st track ...i actually laughed (sorry) i actually though you were taking the piss (that means having a joke with me) each to their own and all that but i really dont like it. and its anything but 'nice'
and they got worse.


but that just my opinion. i'm sure other will love it :roll: ;) hahah


i know you just trying to draw me into a row. and its worked.

but im not anymore (honestly)

I don`t give a damn who originated what.
I don`t need to do a history lesson to tell me what I like
I find hood boring.
I dig some of the funk Hawtin has made.
As for the rest, make your own mind up, who cares who started what, good music will sound good, derivative shite will sound like derivative shite, and we all stand on the shoulders of someone.


And gunny, Hip Hop Smurfs?

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And gunny, Hip Hop Smurfs?

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:lol: just spat my drink on my monitor you twat :lol:

hillarious

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http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...ng_telefon.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...4_we_start.mp3
http://www.iterativemusic.com/~gunja...an_fiction.mp3

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Cheers GJ. Wouldn't mind hearing some more like these :cool:

right people, can we please leave the personal insults out of the threads please.

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right people, can we please leave the personal insults out of the threads please.

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ok bro sorry dan :oops:

i'm just a kid who knows no better. :lol:

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Originally Posted by deafmosaic

hey conan i aint acting superior, i am speaking from experience, BIG DEFERENCE THERE "CHIEF" and i am not saying that everybody after the fantastic 4 is ripping em off, folks take things and make em their own, that is part of music, but if you cant see that from "sheet one" all the way to the new shit, this dude is whitewashing and mass producing lazy compositions under the guise of minimalism then you too are part of the zombie nation

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I told you I dont like hawtin's music nor do I buy any of the minimal stuff out at the moment, but i dont think he copied it of hood like you said. Keep on the point.

He's achieved something good for him thats it. Thats all I'm saying.

You dont even know what I listen to or what I like so how can I be apart of the "zombie nation" you refer to. You're making some outlandish assumptions there without any info.

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in 93 richie was the head of the detroit clone pack, working with uk artists COMPLETELY ripping off the sound of detroit. anybody who doesnt know that is uneducated about the history of this music. ricky villalobos admits freely that "we have rob hood to thank for all of this" but richie wouldnt even admit that the sky is blue if it affected his "innovator"status. thats why ppl hate on richie.... the guy was making records in windsor, with detroit production style and a bit of corny sheffield bleep and etching "DETROIT TECHNO" on his records. another case of a ghetto music form being whitewashed and mass produced until it is unrecognizable and homogynous.

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http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Detroit,+MI

yeah, you can almost spit on winsor from detroit. or vice versa. or just go there to drink underage. or go there to drink underage with a bunch of canadian friends and lean out the window of their apartment to laugh at stupid american frat boys.

Hawtin doing this is a good thing, but mainly for him, not for techno. I'm glad to hear he's doing it but I don't think it's some huge opportunity for techno. Many people I see who have wholeheartedly supported (minimal) techno for the last 5 minutes are happy with what they're hearing now, a lot of 'em won't care about the rest of it, or who started it and developed it. This will apply to most of those that might hear Hawtin's Olympics piece and be interested. They'll just go to the Minus website, and make sure they catch him play sometime, or buy a Minus 12".

Hawtin is spearheading something now which is cool for that scene, and it will undoubtedly lead to some good things (Music, events, technology advancements) along the way. But a bit of focus here, Hawtin and the minimal thing are about the only part of techno which is being allowed flourish or prosper right now, while a lot of the rest of it is struggling to survive.

There's a clear division here, and while I still like what Hawtin is about to a certain degree, there's a whole other side... the grittier, off the hook stuff that most of us love, that is not being given a look in or being acknowledged by most of the media. Granted some good records need to come out to change perceptions, the minimal stuff is having too much of a good thing these days. It's hard times, but we need some fair play here, which extends to journalists covering 'good' techno right down to the guy who'll **** what the magazine says and make up his own mind. I guess this is an old arguement, although to see so many labels and producers drop out over the last year or two has been been shit. I mean Hawtin makes some good albums, but Inigo Kennedy makes killer tracks, and what chance is there of him getting out records on a regular basis anytime soon?

Anyway, my point is, not quite that this is war or anything (!) but that there's a big difference between the techno scene/market (as most of us refer to it as) and the minimal techno scene/market. Less hype with Hawtin would be no bad thing at all, with more Single of the months in magazines from Sugeon or whoever, rather than some Poker Flat two tracker :)

Less clubnights being too safe and fashionable wouldn't be a bad thing either. It comes back to what many people love about techno, and that is that it's primal. Is minimal techno or what the whole Minus crew is coming up with in any way off the edge? No, it's warm up/non peak time techno.

Disappointing what this thread has become.
Indeed it is.
Yoda Jedi Master.
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Go copy Jamie Lidell or something,

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haha innit

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Disappointing what this thread has become.

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Some of it's been kinda pointless alright! Either way, I'll be interested to see what Hawtin comes up with for this.

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Disappointing what this thread has become.
Indeed it is.
Yoda Jedi Master.
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it's a sad day for yoda. disappointed he is...

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christ almighty brian, you sound like eddie fowlkes.

you speak from experience eh? were you IN detroit back then? i was. i started going out in detroit in 1987. from the music institute on, when on most nights i was one of a small handful of white kids there. so unless you lived there too, everything you are reciting as fact is actually hearsay. and that's not how it happened.

it wasn't "detroit techno" on those early records. it was "the new sound of detroit techno". and back then we WERE kids. rich spent all his time in detroit; it was five minutes from his house. there's 40 billion interviews out there where he's very clear where his influences came from. plus 8 was originally formed for the single purpose of creating a derrick may megamix.

maybe rich doesn't speak as freely about certain artists from back then b/c of all the ridiculous racist (yes, racist) crap he and john were given at the start. but it was only from a few. most of those guys are now all friends.

anyway.. you don't like what he does, that's clear. totally your perogative; that's cool. but a lot of what you're saying is just inflamatory. that does no one any good.

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Disappointing what this thread has become.
Indeed it is.
Yoda Jedi Master.
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it's a sad day for yoda. disappointed he is...

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Yoda always was annoying, mumbling, green, wrinkly little scrotum.

Vader was class, until he wimped out and got all soppy over his son.

The pussy.