Lazy assed ableton Dj performances

it would seem to me, judging by reactions here, that some folk are more into the actual djing process than whats coming out of the speakers. fair enough.. can we all just drop this now because it's a really really negative arguement to be having... a lot of you have very reasonable opinions (i dont like it, djing is just what i like but live and let live) <<< this is a fair arguement and a valid opinion.. but putting others down and saying that they're "not real djs or performers"because they use ableton is not a nice way to go about things. so let me do what i do and i'll let you do what you do..

cause the arguement is pointless and is beginning to leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

i think beatmatching is a skill that does give some urgency to what you are doing (as someone stated above). that said, i know a lot of talented producers that have never quite gotten the hang of it, but are still immensely creative people. or people who just need a change from how they have been djing for years. i think ableton gives people a new way to present music, and if used creatively, is friggin amazing.

sure there are always gonna be lazy bastards, but that's the case whether it's vinyl or not.

i do appreciate anyone who works hard to present their (and others) music in the most creative, floor rockin' way possible. and i think all of these things have their place. it shakes up the playing field a bit and allows for different concepts to play out, and i think it's healthy.

i will keep my turntables and my vinyl, because i do love the physicality of it, but i have been messing with ableton as a supplemental tool, and have found that it has many possibilities for augmenting what i normally do. so i am working on implementing ableton INTO vinyl sets, just to see what happens. i don't plan on going all laptop, but there ain't a damn thing wrong with bringing new elements in and challenging myself creatively.

i think the bottom line here is: is it being used creatively? is it being used to elevate the dj set and the crowd experience? is it pushing techno's boundaries?

as long as we keep those questions in our heads, i think we can push forward and still have it be enjoyable and boundary-pushing.

I really liked this last discussion.. very interesting.

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Originally Posted by djshiva

i think the bottom line here is: is it being used creatively? is it being used to elevate the dj set and the crowd experience? is it pushing techno's boundaries?

as long as we keep those questions in our heads, i think we can push forward and still have it be enjoyable and boundary-pushing.

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That`s about it.
Whatever it is, do it creatively, and with passion.

Rhythmtech,
I dont think we are being negative, just trying to understand where things are at....good healthy discussion. Not all bad, matey.

Shiva,
Great words and I think that is pretty much where we all stand right now. See what happens in a few years??

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Originally Posted by holotropik

Rhythmtech,
I dont think we are being negative, just trying to understand where things are at....good healthy discussion. Not all bad, matey.

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its not everyone holo.. its just the same narrow minded idiots posting the same thing again and again. it pisses me off cause its what i do and i try do it well. then you have some mindless twat claiming that i'm not a real dj/performer? all i'll say is come to one of my gigs and try tell me that.. there would be slaps.

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Originally Posted by rhythmtech

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Originally Posted by holotropik

Rhythmtech,
I dont think we are being negative, just trying to understand where things are at....good healthy discussion. Not all bad, matey.

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its not everyone holo.. its just the same narrow minded idiots posting the same thing again and again. it pisses me off cause its what i do and i try do it well. then you have some mindless twat claiming that i'm not a real dj/performer? all i'll say is come to one of my gigs and try tell me that.. there would be slaps.

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I HOPE thats not comin in my direction.

And who claimed you're not doing things well? No body on this thread claimed you are not a DJ... only you can decide that.

This HAS been a good discussion, just because you dont like peoples opinion on it doesnt really give you the right to either call people.

Narrow minded... i havnt seen that...
Idiots... I dont think so.
Mindless????
Twats???

dude. stow that shit... you just made this thread even MORE negative.

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Originally Posted by tekara

LOL do people actually DJ with ableton as well? Man im REALLY out of the loop.

That is the funniest thing i have EVER heard. People should stop doing that shite.....

its like watching A-Trak, Invisible Skratch Picklez, or other turntabalist show up to a DMC battle and play a pre-recorded .wav file that is sequenced in ableton and just messing around with some 'autofiilters'........excellent!! :clap:

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dodgy.. quit gettin your knickers in a twist. this is what my comments were aimed at.. and a few similiar ones in the "format wars" thread...

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Well, when you get onto the argument of, as long as it rocks, who cares.
Personally I have a bit of trouble with that. I have a hang up about effort, and artistry and integrity, and I`ve always loved techno for it`s stance against the mainstream.

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Sure it`s important to rock the crowd, but personally I feel better knowing that I actually had to work a bit to do it.
I think it has something to do with ego.

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Sure, I reckon it has something to do with ego. Does for me when I'm behind the gear....

But It matters too when I'm the other side. I'd rather see someone struggle and glitch to so something special than do nothing 'cos it sounds tight. Though it's annoying for a moment at the time if I'm playing the social role of "munter"...

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I think this is a good discussion too. Yeah it may be a bit "same old", but it's "same old" 'cos it's not been trashed out to the (probably impossible) conclusion....

We're all going to heaven anyway so whe heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :lol:

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Originally Posted by tekara

LOL do people actually DJ with ableton as well? Man im REALLY out of the loop.

That is the funniest thing i have EVER heard. People should stop doing that shite.....

its like watching A-Trak, Invisible Skratch Picklez, or other turntabalist show up to a DMC battle and play a pre-recorded .wav file that is sequenced in ableton and just messing around with some 'autofiilters'........excellent!! :clap:

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dodgy.. quit gettin your knickers in a twist. this is what my comments were aimed at.. and a few similiar ones in the "format wars" thread...

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Point taken. coat retrieved. taxi ordered. pint downed rapidoooo

all i want to is to hear music made by people insisting on mega-ultra-rave equipment setups at gigs.

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

all i want to is to hear music made by people insisting on mega-ultra-rave equipment setups at gigs.

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YEAH!!....now ya talkin'

Super hot rave party...!

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Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

Super hot rave party lucky family wish show!!!

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:lol: :lol:

banzai! Hent-tai-tai-tai! aiiieee!

me and Dolphin do a live jam in ableton. Break down all our tracks into layers and throw them over each other so its kinda like a freestyle live set. Dont just stand about with a bottle of beer either, always busy triggering things and ****ing the sound around.

i can understand people being pissed at ableton djs just standing around and smoking.. there are also a lot of vinyl djs that do just that. But yeh, it is even more boring watching someone with just a light in their face being still and looking like theyre not enjoying themselves.

It's truly bizarre how a style of music based around new innovations in technology, which were sneered upon by musicians who played "real instruments," manages to have fans that can be so technophobic nowadays. Whoda thunk?

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Originally Posted by tocsin

It's truly bizarre how a style of music based around new innovations in technology, which were sneered upon by musicians who played "real instruments," manages to have fans that can be so technophobic nowadays. Whoda thunk?

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yes.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

It's truly bizarre how a style of music based around new innovations in technology, which were sneered upon by musicians who played "real instruments," manages to have fans that can be so technophobic nowadays. Whoda thunk?

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forgive me if i'm saying something that's already ben said (i really can't be arsed to go back and read this whole thing), but isn't the problem people who create boring ableton sets rather than people who use ableton?

the way i see it, ableton has loads of advantages and disadvantages versus djing. if you're using it, take advantage of it...don't just simulate a mix...do some weird sh*t

It's partially that, Slav. But, I also find it funny how people bitch about the guy who "smokes a cig and holds a drink" while playing with Ableton. I mean, seriously, why does anyone give a ****? I dunno about the rest of you but, when someone is playing music that I like well in a club/rave environment, I'd usually be too busy dancing my ass off to even know what the DJ looked like behind the decks. If I cared about a stage show, I'd go see Motley Crue. :p

well, truth be told, one of the strengths of DJing is that it is improvisational. i find hearing DJs to be similar to seeing jazz in that respect. if i hear someone do an ableton set, i'd like to either see them improvising with their material, working and manipulating the music to create something really unique. i'm all for ableton sets when performers do this.

if they just press play, let the tracks roll out and sit back, why did i just pay all that ca$h to hear them?

ok let me amend that...should read

"if i hear someone do an ableton set, i'd like to either see them improvising with their material, or working and manipulating the music to create something really unique. preferrably both."

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Originally Posted by tocsin

It's partially that, Slav. But, I also find it funny how people bitch about the guy who "smokes a cig and holds a drink" while playing with Ableton. I mean, seriously, why does anyone give a ****? I dunno about the rest of you but, when someone is playing music that I like well in a club/rave environment, I'd usually be too busy dancing my ass off to even know what the DJ looked like behind the decks. If I cared about a stage show, I'd go see Motley Crue. :p

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:clap: i HATE lads standing watching me!!! they always stand right in front of the moniter!! bastards

Get your knob out. that'll show em.

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Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

Get your knob out. that'll show em.

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not good advice, i heard that last time you pulled that stunt, you got electrocuted :lol:

I really have to remember that the police carry tazers.

there was some nasty scorching that night fo' sho'