right thats it.. im never posting another chart again. :lol:
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right thats it.. im never posting another chart again. :lol:
I don't think you can judge any tune as being completely and utterly devoid of merit. And often a big pile of shitty tunes makes producers move in a different direction and start producing different stuff. Which could be good/innovative/original/inventive etc
Crap records play a part in any scene.
But if you have any sense, you won't buy them, and won't pay to hear people play them.
if you bothered to listen you may realise it "is" a bit different !!Quote:
Originally Posted by basslinejunkie
ok when i talk about inventive is about as much about the fact that all that "techno" producers seem only ever seem to to be able to express themselves through 140bpm lets take pills 4/4 kick & hihat drum music. Speedy J is universally respected not because of his recent 'bangers' but because of his other stuff like "A Shocking Hobby" which im sure most collabs & kreck owners have never heard of or even attempted to listen to. Whats hard about making an ambient track or a 200bpm track alongside a 140bpm belter or whatever?
lazyness.
i wish there was a "YAWN" smiley . . .
bingo! the problem is that most guys are stuck in their own self-created small world with the 5 artists they know and like.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
when i talk about speedy j i talk about everything he's done way back to plus 8 stuff circa 91/92. i still recognise it as speedy j cause i love his productions and i know them inside out.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
i dont think its laziness, more choice. i personally dont want to create a 200bpm track the same as i dont want to create an ambient track but i know i could. i know what i wanna make and thats it. when i was in indie bands we didnt make country and western music. An artist has his right to create what he chooses, anything else is pandering to the masses.
i think thats a bit of an odd statement. you know as well as i do how anal we can be about our music. fair enough some new blood on the scene might have only discovered speedy j through collabs but a fair majority of them will go and route out his earlier stuff through whatever means.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
i remember when i started playing out, it was about the time acid hit big 96ish. i used to resident in fusion (above whats frazers now) and i thought acid was new and totally differant. i soon learned that there had been acid around long b4 SUF. i discovered prolekult, brain, harthouse and loads more.
but thats the thing, everyone finds their own doorway into a certain style of music but that doesnt mean thats where it ends. most will go on a hunt to discover new (& old) music.
sorry i left the word lzyness in there.. oops.. didnt mean to misqoute you like that :oops:
also just wanna say that besides a certain individuals childish comments earlier in the thread, this has turned into the most interesting discussion on here in ages.
That`s just a play on words.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
to just bang together the same loops everyone else is using, and to do the same filtered breakdowns as everyone has done etc
Of course it`s lazyness.
It`s essentially doing what someone esle has done, because "it`s tecno"
It involves little thought and little time to think about.
discovering your own sounds, doing something, then realising, hmmm this has been done a hell of a lot, maybe I should try to do this a different way. Maybe I should try to use something I`ve not used before etc, is a little less lazy.
There`s an argument that, Well it`s what people want, or, well it`s what people are used to.
or
It rocks the floor, so that`s ok.
That`s an ok argument, but it`s treading the line into the pop mentality of unchallenging mediocrity.
I think the crowd needs to be entertained, but they should be given more credit for being able to accept new and different stuff.
not a play on words at all steve. if i wanna produce 140bpm bangers its because i want to and not because i think that thats what people will like. i love acid techno so i make it.. sometimes similiar to the tried and tested formulae, sometimes completly differant. i love straight techno.. same thing applies. i love club techno.. again same thing.
i've been a musician for years now and i certainly have no qualms about being able to make slower more minimal stuff or faster noseblled stuff. i just dont because its not what im into.
whats the point in me making something i dont enjoy listening to? i get enough of that engineering demos for bands.
im not on this earth to educate people about the many weird and wonderful forms of music that exist. let them find out in their own way. i just wanna go out play what i like and listen to what i like. if i hear something new and i like it then thats great. happy days. if i dont well then i know theres always next time.
its not a competition to see who can be the most "pure" or the most "underground". its about doing something you love doing, and to be honest, if you love making boyband pop records then fair play to you.
because the real drudgery and mediocrity lies in having nothing in your life that makes you smile the way making music makes me smile. and argue as i will on this thread, its still like water off a ducks back because tonight i have a gig. im gonna play tech house, techno, acid & i'ven even got some hip hop to end on. people are gonna dance and im gonna love every second of it.
I thin kyour missing the point
there`s nothing wrong with 140bmp dance floor techno.
when it follows the same sound, formula and structure as the last 50 gazillion releases, then it`s a bit sad.
If your a musician then surely you can see this.
i can see it and i try to do something differant, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt and i sound the same as the last guy. but thats not a problem for me. im never gonna be the next jeff mills or speedy j or whoever. i just wanna be somewhat good at what i do and keep learning.
all music is somewhat limited by boundries.. its just a fact. breaking those boundries is a bloody hard job but very very impressive when it works BUT skirting those boundries and pushing them a little is to be admired as well. its a very fine line between doing something innovative and just doing something crap.
oh for sure, but trying is the thing.
And lets face it, it`s not exactly hard to do something different from your average loop cd techno bash a tastic mash now is it?
a quick example.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
i've just been listening to 2 rmxs that speedy j has done
Feieralarm - amazing, weird innovative and truely beautiful. it isnt an in your face stomper but i can imagine it still working wonders on a dancefloor.
marco bailey - rude boy (speedy j rmx) - a not so impressive rmx that i feel just drones on & on and would bore me off a dancefloor
no you're right its not. and you heard that in the rmx i did for you. it may not be totally differant to anything else out there BUT it was differant to anything i've ever done, which meant i learned something new. im happy with that and i love the tune.. what more could i ask for?Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
I`m not actually talking about your stuff here man, don`t take things so personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
As for Speedy`s Bailey remix. It was ok.
What`s great about him is he isn`t affraid to take risks.
Some of his stuff just doesn`t work, but you hear him workin it, he`s not just sittin on his ass knocking out the same old crap day in day out.
relax, im not taking anything personally. as i said earlier this is one of the best discussions in a long time on here, im really enjoying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
i just used that rmx as an example of trying something new.