As a fan and a dj I will follow a good producer anywhere. Do what you feel, because if you love it then your fans will love it also. People, scenes, and tastes change and grow. Don't hold yourself back.
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As a fan and a dj I will follow a good producer anywhere. Do what you feel, because if you love it then your fans will love it also. People, scenes, and tastes change and grow. Don't hold yourself back.
I don't know who would make negative judgements of you turning your hand to something new, maybe I'm just being naive - you must have had some experience of it to prompt this thread, but the majority of people can't think that way surely?
Personally I love it when I think I know how something's going to sound before I hear it based on previous experiences and it turns out to be something new that takes me by surprise, makes it even better.
You've certainly shown you can make banging acid stuff time and again, you've got nothing to prove there any more - keep it coming for sure but you've surely earned the right not to deliberately restrict yourself creatively.
The more width and imagination someone shows in their tunes the better, and I'd be surprised if many people thought otherwise. :)
I think Henry should start producing acid skiffle.
go with your heart & what you wanna do man, no ones gonna slate you for taking a slightly different musical approach if they do then that's their problem & not your's. it would still be wise to carry on with techno & produce the minimal/electro sounding stuff on the side for now & build up a following if you catch my drift.
Plan of attack:
Abruptly stop playing hard techno, grow your hair all weird and everyone will start talking about your hair more than your music.
People will bitch and moan about how you pussied out on proper techno, but mostly they will fixate on your hair.
Eventually the tide will turn, you will be the most popular man in the world and will open the 2012 London Olympics.
People will still be bitching about your hair and your pussy music, and you can wrongfoot everyone by playing hydraulix 9 during a surreal opening ceremony featuring angry clowns on stilts with guns.
Eventually everyone will grudginly accept that you are a pioneer of techno even if they don't like your new direction, although they will still have reservations about your hair.
Then cut your hair.
the important thing is to totally ignore what you think other people will think of it and just get on with it.... don't let the tail wag the dog, I personally think that's where things can go wrong, and also the reason why I found london really opressive when I lived there, and berlin also to an extent, people telling you "oh there isn't the market for this or that" or "you should be making music like....".. this is why moving to Poland has been so liberating for me, not being surrounded by industry people who think they know what's what...
just do what you feel, write loads of it, and only release the corkers...
yep, true.Quote:
Originally Posted by crime
always control that dog tail
its at the shitty end
and should be treated as such.
this is exactly why im SOOOO glad im a newcomer in the current climate. None of this pressure to keep performing for the moaners or those stuck in the past and unwilling to move on with their fave artists. I mean, shouldnt a true fan be willing to accept what the artist they love is doing and move on with them?
it's a tough dilemma certainly, on one hand you want to do what you want to do, on the other you need to keep doing what you are doing in order to retain gigs and please the fans. I think it's alot easier for the younger and newer artists like myself to have a very neutral stance on something like this, because i've never had to rely on music as my income, it's nice when music does bring some income in as it's another way to appreciate your hard work, but at the same time allows practically total freedom to do what one wants, at the moment im releasing and producing everything from hard techno through to minimal, through to electro, to breaks and i even record my own songs and with friends in bands and stuff so its gravy.
personally Henry, i think that track u posted is one of the best thing's ive heard of yours, i really dont like the acid london sound, ive just never been into it, i know it means alot to alot of my friends and i can understand that, but i think if someone can produce to your standard and is doing other stuff like this which, to me, and im sure to many many others, is a cut above the harder or clubbier stuff your doing, then it would be almost stupid not to follow that path just because people wont like it. As i say i know you need to keep your gigs in order and for that you need to retain your status as hard/london/acid techno artist, but i think the best thing to do is to let nature take its course. The more anyone fights a situation like this, the more they'l find themselves ultimately moving over in that direction as the need for refreshment and change just increases
Good music is good music, irrespective of who has produced it.
What is in a name?
Start playing minimal - people will book you, and take some time out to write more personal material. You don't owe anyone anything (except yourself a living, i guess), it is ultimately your music and we as your audience are privelidged to experience it, in whatever form.
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Originally Posted by Jay Pace
The Velvet Jones School of Techno. ;)
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Originally Posted by fils_here
im totally agree with these above comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSP
You`re a buldier your history, like everybody.
if you feel thats a right moment for change - go and do it!
a lot acid/techno freaks respect you for a music and tracks with one you allready done but im absolutely sure nobody will tell you bad words becauce you try doing what you want doing at this moment.
Music is a mirror our minds & feelings and hope wll be forever.
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Originally Posted by Athar
Well, I just wanted to join the discussion on the whole harder techno to minimal transition. Form a listener/fan point of view, I think the shit that is currently being produced and played worldwide is total crap not worth my time. I was thinking about the reason for the "slow down" in techno and came to the conclusion that a lot of artists/pioneers are getting older and their musical tastes change with their age. I even caught myself recently listening to some downtempo stuff and diggin' it like hell, being a hardcore hard techno fan since 1995.
I've heard a lot of opinions that the softer side of techno will help bring a bigger following to the scene, especially the younger generation. I say, that's bullshit. I happen to have a 16 year old brother that just recently started getting interested in EDM. He asked for some techno sets so I gave him two Beyer's sets, one from 2003 and the other one just from this year, him and his friends listened to it and told me that the new stuff is awful.
I guess the whole world just got hooked on this glitchy, minimal sound. I recently went to see Christian Smith in Chicago and I got annoyed as hell with his set. How can you play some 128bpm minimal crap to the club full of people at 2am? Where is the energy? The place should be shaking so hard at that time of the night, that the people on the other side of the town should be feeling it. Too bad I didn't bring the pillow and a blanket that night because instead I had to go home, I was so bored.
I own nearly every single track that was out by Henry and I feel I should speak my mind. So Henry, I'm sorry to say this but if I hear you play minimal at any event I'll be at, I'm leaving with that bottle of Zubrowka we never finished.
this track you put up is seriously good. one of the best tracks i have heard for ages mate it really is. if you've got stuff like this up your sleve then please don't be bothered about narrow minded people and get it out there. seems like your dying to express yourself in other ways. i know it must be hard for fear of not being booked but the cream always rises to the top and if your playing quality tunes like that you will be booked to play cos that tune is shit hot!
its a bandwagon, people are jumping on like no tomorrow, and it'll probably stay this way for a while......like most trends they come and go, but i wonder what will be next, the hard stuff coming back? who knows
if henry wants to jump on the minimal wagon, so be it......but what i want to know is, are you jumping on to stay for good? or are you just doing this while minimal is popular?
:roll: There are narrow minded people out there I agree, but that doesn't mean that the stuff that is currently produced is top notch quality music. I personally don't like it and can't stand it, that doesn't mean that I'm narrow minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiptoe
Just to add my tuppence worth
Ive been away from techno for the last year...and from buying records for nearly two
I wouldnt know a 'minimal' techno record if it jumped up and smacked me in the jaw. I thought the track you posted up was good techno...great production, interesting sounds, good energy to it and even if the pace has dropped slightly from the records of yours i'm more familiar with, you'd still be able to mix it up and rock a dancefloor with it at any tme of the evening, if the dj knows what he is doing
At the end of the day there's nothing more transparent than an artist banging out choons just cos he knows he's got a market for them, and can sell them. What end result will be devoid of soul and passion - and can only have a limited shelf life.
I think if you make music then you realy have to express yourself in the way you feel no matter who you are.
If its about the music for you then the worst possible situation you can find yourself in is that your not creating and sharing the music you wish too, so you have to go for it and hopfully people will feel what you are doing.
If like Henry you allready have a following then of course most of these people will not like any other sound that varies from what you are known for but new people who dont like your sound now will feel any new direction.
To put things simple.... some people like your music now and some dont, you change and some people will like your music and some wont so the important thing is that YOU like it.
This is the point of veiw coming from a guy whos money does not come from music so of course its going to be different from a guy whos music is his job (must be nice) : )
You only get the bset out of yourself when your doing what you want to.
I'd also keep a few other irons in the fire though. :cheese:
Let it flow H...
Some people will say "Look, Dave the drummer is moving forward with his sound", others (incl. me) would be dissapointed when they go to see you playing and get to hear a Minimal/Electro-set.
To be honest, I don`t go to see Adam Beyer or Hawtin etc. anymore when they are in Austria, totally boring, sorry.
But when this is what you really want to do and produce, now is the right time for that kind of sound I guess.
I was having a conversation with a friend last night, when the topic turned to the "M" word again.
My buddy said he makes music that for him represents where techno should go, and the stuff he is producing now is in a grey area where it might be called minimal, but really isn't.
I think we've over-used the minimal label to the point that, like theledge said, what used to just be called techno is now sometimes getting called minimal in the shops because it isn't grinding hard techno.
When a hard/acid techno producer makes tracks with a lighter sound we too easily call it minimal. But the hard thing has been done and done well for a long time and the evolution of the music has to go somewhere else, right?
Just call it techno and forget about the prefix sublabel and then we can put the minimal issue to bed!
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Originally Posted by samba
This tune hasnt left my box for 3 years!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wenna
The flips the shit too.
Take great enjoyment in telling my more purist mates whos behind it.
More please captain... :cheese:
bandwagon bandshmagon
make it, stick it out, have a wank, everyones happy :)
go for it
Bang on way to put it Scott
do what makes you happy
never give up on what your passionate about
**** what people think
theyl either love it or they wont
no point worrying over it
;)
thats going a bit far mate, you sick puppy :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
marry me :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by roxy
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Originally Posted by MARK EG
me too :lol:
it's really really nice to read everyones replies on this topic
from this discussion i'm feeling much more inspired to release this new stuff myself as opposed to trying to get other " cooler " labels to release it.
yeah there will be a bit of backlash but at the end of the day i don't think my normal dj set will be changing too much.
i totally agree with that earlier post about playing minimal slow stuff at 2 am , yes the club should be rocking to it's core at that time in the morning , not crowding round the bar worrying about last orders.
and thats where i think we all agree . the essence of this music is in the playing out in clubs although many of us love to listen to it at home too .
a good club night should be rocking one way or another. not full of people holding a discussion about the music.
and as far as using aliases , or worrying about what people might say or think about my music , i think i'm just going to stand behind all of it and say " here it is , work it out for yourself "
it might work. who knows ?
sounds like a good idea to me
and meQuote:
Originally Posted by dan the acid man
change Drummer for Dumber
okQuote:
Originally Posted by Buttman
how about changing buttman for " go f@ck yourself! "
when are u due on the boa radio show h? perhaps u could discuss this subject on there :)
not that i'm 'gagging' ;) for a new show or anything :cry:
i hear you, boss.
i'm about to break you off some
genuine type game, bro.
pay close attention, as i'm only
going to say this shit once...
first off, while your name may be dave,
and you may indeed enjoy playing the drums,
your monicker does not "keep it awesome"
in the way modern rockers demand.
you need something subtle and evocative,
something simple and sexy, like
"asundayreckoning"
"the remorse"
or
"horsexe"
furthermore, you need to get far away
from yr free party roots as humanly
possible.
don't make any mention of your history
or identity for at least another six months,
at which point, i predict it will become
agonizingly hip to have spent ages raving
til dawn,
assuming you're able to behave as if you did so
ironically, or that you're some sort of roky-esque
schizophrenic visionary.
thirdly, the auts will be remembered as
a popist era.
look at modern "hiphop" or the inexplicable
popularity of bands like xiu xiu,
if you don't believe me.
gather up the weirdest, most effed up sounds
in yr household, throw them together in a
fashion resembling any song on the third
velvets lp, and have some reed throated
depressive emote over it all.
release that shit as a limited edition
seven inch ep, packaged in oxfam scraps
or magic markered toilet paper or
something similarly "outside".
you'll want to have put together a fantastic
live pa before you've do any of this, however,
one in which you and whomever you happen to
be ****ing at the moment dress like hoboes
and pretend to play vintage synthesizers
and chinese guitars.
if you've not got a myspace account, GET ONE NOW.
preferably, one featuring pictures of you in makeup
and references to avant composers or new jack swing.
pretending you live in williamsburg or portland
will help, tho if you're stuck on the whole
"being english" thing, be sure you mention bow
or tottenham or something.
keep it real, is what i'm saying.
REAL ****ING AWESOME,
bro...
doing all of these things will assure you
at least one mention on pitchfork, which
will, in turn, guarantee you herpes worries
from at least one suicide girl, as well as
the sort of enduring celebrity enjoyed by
modern luminaries such as weird weeds,
jens lekman, or the cure...
Oh come on where is your creativity?Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
He's being mnmly creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buttman
it's coming. been a big mess up with the show in ukraine due to political problems over there. i will try my damndest to get a 2 hour special in the next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by wenna
on my boot..... creating up your arse !Quote:
Originally Posted by Buttman
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Originally Posted by lissajou
Unfortunately, references such as "Xiu Xiu" & "Pitchfork" will go sadly ignored.
But i loved it.
Post more often. Please.
i am now called " the remorse "
i do not make techno
i make elctronic art
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Originally Posted by davethedrummer
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[quote="davethedrummer"]Your a talented producer Mr Drummer and I’m sure, in fact I’m positive that know matter what style of music you produce you will always have admirers. Your great at the underground so I don’t see why you cant be great at other styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
The more you broaden your horizons
and make different styles of music to suit everyone the more people will start to recognise your name especially if it isn’t so underground like with the acid.
I'm not too keen on the minimal my self but I’ll always give a new tune a listen, as for the funkier shit , to me you can never go wrong with a bit of butt wiggling, and I think you'd be great at the funkier stuff as you tend to incorporate allot of funkiness to your techno tunes, which I fecking loveeeeee btw!!
In the end though you've just got to think of no.1 and just go for it, if all else fails (which I doubt seriously) you can always come back to home sweet home !! good luck drummer ;)
My experience on jumping on or off any particular wagon are to ask the driver of said wagon to slow down to a comfortable speed as to not take a header of said wagon.
Wagons kill!.. Be Careful!
aren't wagon wheels smaller than they used to be
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