VINYL WILL SURVIVE - Great Article!!

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Originally Posted by Remade

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.

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dude, this is seriously gay.

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

dude, this is seriously gay.

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Go back to Ableton you.

Vinyl is going to stay a struggle for smaller labels. It's going to continue to sell decently for other labels, and to be pressed as normal by the bigger labels and majors.

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

The day I get to release anything on vinyl will be a happy, happy day for me.

Still more kudos with a plastic release. Despite the fact that I would't play it myself, its a benchmark knowing that someone thought you were worth it.

i choose vinyl as a medium of presenting my work to the world simply because it is still the choice of the most, regardless of how gay i think vinyl is.

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

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Originally Posted by Remade

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.

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dude, this is seriously gay.

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so is the original article

haha, what a wanky pile of turd that article. get with the times asshole :)

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

i choose vinyl as a medium of presenting my work to the world simply because it is still the choice of the most, regardless of how gay i think vinyl is.

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thing is, ur not presenting it to the world, you're presenting it to a very small minority. Vinyl is cool, but it isn't practical and thats what sucks in the end :(

Additionally, it is not the vinly or digital as a medium that is the problem. It is the fact that some people only wish to increase the size of their E-penis. Vinly is a physical object that has history attached to it and can easily showcase one's awesomeness. Mp3 is not.
Additionally additionally it is very inspiring to see 4 pages of posts about the medium and not about the content.

I don't like music.
I like plastic.
Oh, the plastic. The plastic. The plastic.

warning! suicide bomber alert. everyone get the fukk out of this thread fast.

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Originally Posted by Remade

Additionally, it is not the vinly or digital as a medium that is the problem. It is the fact that some people only wish to increase the size of their E-penis. Vinly is a physical object that has history attached to it and can easily showcase one's awesomeness. Mp3 is not.
Additionally additionally it is very inspiring to see 4 pages of posts about the medium and not about the content.

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That's so true. That's like a movie director obsessing about what kind of TVs and movie screens his movie will play on but hasn't even made the movie yet. What ****ing difference does it make? Focus on the part that counts, THE IDEA. Communicate an idea, concept, an emotion with your MUSIC, not the medium. For us as techno producers to be obsessing about vinyl's death is like a high school football player obsessing about the NFL dying... you probably won't make it to the NFL anyway so shut the hell up and play football RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THINKING TOO FAR AHEAD, THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

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Originally Posted by Spire

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Originally Posted by Remade

Additionally, it is not the vinly or digital as a medium that is the problem. It is the fact that some people only wish to increase the size of their E-penis. Vinly is a physical object that has history attached to it and can easily showcase one's awesomeness. Mp3 is not.
Additionally additionally it is very inspiring to see 4 pages of posts about the medium and not about the content.

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That's so true. That's like a movie director obsessing about what kind of TVs and movie screens his movie will play on but hasn't even made the movie yet. What **** difference does it make? Focus on the part that counts, THE IDEA. Communicate an idea, concept, an emotion with your MUSIC, not the medium. For us as techno producers to be obsessing about vinyl's death is like a high school football player obsessing about the NFL dying... you probably won't make it to the NFL anyway so shut the hell up and play football RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THINKING TOO FAR AHEAD, THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

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whilst good in theory, i know alot of producers who produce solely for non-vinyl formats simply because it allows them to introduce certain aspects into production that producing for vinyl does not, such as stereo bass and other effects. So to simply say dont think about the format concentrate on the music isnt really fair, as the producers who actually are pushing to get their music pressed and not just doing it solely as a hobby or for fun need to incorporate both when producing certain tracks and striving for certain effects and what not

its still a good debate this whole thread, but just am feeling that this is going round in circles, and at a ratio of like a whole thread a month hehe

im off to make some records errr vinyl errr plastic ARGGGHHH

well, I can't say that I know what the future will be. All I do know is that we must adapt no matter what changes come about. That's part of it all isn't it? Sure I'd be sad to see the records go, cause it's loads more fun to DJ that just do a laptop set or something. However with costs and low sales, who knows where things will go just yet. Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Komplex

haha, what a wanky pile of turd that article. get with the times asshole :)

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How is he an asshole?

I prefer vinyl and can't see myself converting to digital files, am I not with the times then?

Just read the article there, and it's clear to see that the writer holds a lot of sentimentality for vinyl alright, but he sees too many factors involved with vinyl and playing vinyl that makes him prefer it. Granted he does generalise a bit in his slur against lazy DJs using Ableton, he does make some important points.

when I hear all this about vinyl dying, I always think
Question a) Who buys techno music? Generally Techno DJs
Question b) what do you find when you walk into a club dj box? Technics 1200/1210s

I rest my case...

OK, but consider...

Question c) How many djs use cds and ableton?
Question d) How many djs have ditched vinyl for digital in the last few years?

Just because its the status quo now, doesn't mean that it will always be this way.
Look at what kids are buying as a barometer of the scene. Us oldies aren't buying any more than normal (far from it) and kids are more comfortable with digital. This is bad news for vinyl.

I'm sure you will always be able to request turntables when you dj, but it wouldn't suprise me if it stopped being the norm in 5/10 years.

I would be rich man if i had a dollar
for everytime i have seen this merry-go-round....

...me dizzy....plonk :~

If I had £1 for each time this discussion had come up, I could probably buy a pair of CDJ-1000s.

hehehehe....nice one ;)

fwiw
we are starting a label here in OZ
and will use all formats regardless...

why not use everything possible
in order to get the sounds out there
everywhere :)

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???



jees u kids ;)

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Originally Posted by Spire

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Originally Posted by Remade

Additionally, it is not the vinly or digital as a medium that is the problem. It is the fact that some people only wish to increase the size of their E-penis. Vinly is a physical object that has history attached to it and can easily showcase one's awesomeness. Mp3 is not.
Additionally additionally it is very inspiring to see 4 pages of posts about the medium and not about the content.

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That's so true. That's like a movie director obsessing about what kind of TVs and movie screens his movie will play on but hasn't even made the movie yet. What **** difference does it make? Focus on the part that counts, THE IDEA. Communicate an idea, concept, an emotion with your MUSIC, not the medium. For us as techno producers to be obsessing about vinyl's death is like a high school football player obsessing about the NFL dying... you probably won't make it to the NFL anyway so shut the hell up and play football RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THINKING TOO FAR AHEAD, THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

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thats jus keek... if vinyl DOES die, techno wont, it will have severl billion pieces of vinyl already about & many other formats.. thats a sh*t comparison man... totally flawed.

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Originally Posted by module

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???



jees u kids ;)

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Originally Posted by crime

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Originally Posted by module

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???



jees u kids ;)

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:lol:

NICE WAN GEEEZA LOL

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Originally Posted by module

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???



jees u kids ;)

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Well Grandpa, you go and ask someone in a mastering house or pressing plant how worried they are about the oil situation. The year it's running out and there's no oil for vinyl then we can talk about it, 'til then keep schtum geeza ;)

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Originally Posted by Sunil

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Originally Posted by module

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???



jees u kids ;)

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Well Grandpa, you go and ask someone in a mastering house or pressing plant how worried they are about the oil situation. The year it's running out and there's no oil for vinyl then we can talk about it, 'til then keep schtum geeza ;)

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ooo-er... yesh bosh ;)

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Originally Posted by module

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NICE WAN GEEEZA LOL

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I was actually being sarcastic...
I just thought it in better taste than the "arguing on the internet is like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded"

Oil will run out, but I doubt it will be until the end of our lifetimes at least...

you just like arguing on the internet, do you not have anything more usefull to do with your time? Obviously not....

in fact, this thread just seems to be full of people who want to shout about the fact that they have embraced "the internet revolution" to justify the fact they spend their lives in front of a computer screen day in day out.. Go outside, it's nice out, y'know?

No need to be so condescending.

You took the time to argue on this thread - why criticise others for doing so?

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Originally Posted by Jay Pace

No need to be so condescending.

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More like "Cynically giggling"...

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Originally Posted by Jay Pace

You took the time to argue on this thread - why criticise others for doing so?

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I just think it ridiculous that people want to argue the same points over and over again on forums, then again maybe I should go outside too..

if vinyl dies it dies, if it lives it lives, so what, just get on with it...

and I'd like to add, I quite like records actually, would be sad to see them go...

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if vinyl dies it dies, if it lives it lives, so what, just get on with it...

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Bang on point.

yeah not really fair to criticise people who obviously all share the same passion for vinyl here, i dont remember seeing anyone actually putting they want vinyl to go, just some people are more realistic than others and realise that some day, it's pretty likely that one generation of producers are going to be unable to use vinyl as a medium. Nothing more, nothing less really.

what i tend to do when i realise im going over the same ground with discussions like this is just concentrate on something more important, or relevant to the "now" as it were. usually helps :)

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Originally Posted by crime

in fact, this thread just seems to be full of people who want to shout about the fact that they have embraced "the internet revolution" to justify the fact they spend their lives in front of a computer screen day in day out.. Go outside, it's nice out, y'know?

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yes, i know you were being sarcy.. and condescending & righteous..

so, to quote eric cartman 'suk ma ballssss'

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fao EVERY-F*CKIN ONE..

if ya dont like this subject stop f*ckin readin & posting :)

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Originally Posted by module

so, to quote eric cartman 'suk ma ballssss'

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Present them... :cheese:

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Originally Posted by module

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Originally Posted by Sunil

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

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see again... its NOT about which is better, its about which will be still be viable to produce.. MP3 does not need raw material, vinyl does.. and in these times, that raw material is in a precarious state..

ITS NOT ABOUT DIGITAL V VINYL, ITS ABOUT THE MATERIALS TO PRODUCE VINYL..

HELLO ???? ANYONE ACTUALLY TAKIN THIS IN ???

The time when oil will run out is a long long way in the future. 40-50 years at least. Vinyl will be tested as a viable medium in other ways long long before there are no materials to produce it... i think you've been hugging to many trees Module :lol:

jees u kids ;)

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WTF happened there? dammit, need an edit button