Well folks, how did it go???
I couldnt make it sadly, my mates car was buggered on the friday so had to cancel.... :(
p.s. hope it was a techno set :briggin: :laughing:
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Well folks, how did it go???
I couldnt make it sadly, my mates car was buggered on the friday so had to cancel.... :(
p.s. hope it was a techno set :briggin: :laughing:
Reading bad things about sound quality and bouncers on Ush.net, but other than that it seems the Technodrome was going off! :)
well as soon as i got in there they gave me the timesheet. Mark EG was in the main room 9.00 - 9.45, then in the techno room 9.45 - 10.30. soon as i saw that i wasnt happy. saw the last ten minutes of him in tha main room, played a good mix of miro - purple moon which i was lovin.
Then went to the technodrome....saw the last 5 of Devastator, the sound not comin out of one speaker, and then horrid feedback noises. Mark came on with his cd's n vinyl in hand, and played acid sounding techno, i walked out half way through......why put it down on the flyer as 'technodrome classics' if its gonna be his latest stuff. put my night on a bit of downer really......well i enjoyed it on a whole till around 3 when vizitor made my head fall off my shoulders.....stayed till the end somehow and got the minibus home for 8 o clock.....not doin another rave for ages, unless its nearer Blackpool
was there at the back of the techno room near the bar at 12 but didnt manage to recognize any of u guys, was looking out for matt shephard in his north hoody.....just saw two dudes wearing north shirts near the front, wanted someone else to moan to ha ha!............bet ya glad that car had problems asylum!
so really mark should take some blame and make it clear on here what he was playing, especially after we had such a massive thread discussing it and asking him what he was going to do... if he mentioned the forum and how it helped him with the radio 1 thing, then it is equally as right to give us some feedback on such an issue as this
classics are classics and skelter mislead people as per usual.
sound system usually is crap, giving times out at the event is not right
raves in the UK ... a joke now... nothing like the european stage.
what happened in the UK whereby we lose the hardcore techno / speedcore and it is filled with all this slow techno, uninventive loop crap. music for pussies. fair enough people like it, but it is not hardcore and this very noticeable drop in performances of the real underground stuff coming out of germany/holland and france for something called 'techno' when it's just soft music in truth is annoying ....
all these djs sound the same... i remember hearing mark eg, ramos, billy bunter, ribbz, aggressor amongst others and thinking.... erm, did you all play the same tunes or do they all just sound like that? at least you got variation with drokz, producer, scorpio, clarkee, hms, lomas, the french djs, smurf etc... Each DJ brought a different vibe from the hardcore scene, but the so called 'techno' scene barely sounds different at all and is just loop after loop. I have more respect for the hardstyle genre.
this will piss off a lot of 'techno' heads... although i consider myself to be that very thing because if someone asks what i like, i don't say 'i am a hardcore techno head'.
if 'techno' really is about the future, then why is it always the same. the clarity of sound is clearer with new technology, but the music is all the same... there is far less variety within each genre than for all other dance music.
even in happycore you could play a set and make it sound very different with each tune, speedcore, hardstyle, trance.... plenty of styles..... but listen to a techno set and it's the bloody same... same formulas time and again...
it's up its own arse celebrating it's 'creativity'
PFFFT
sorry mate missed you. Met one of the lads from this forum - sorry forgot your name mate! Caught up with carl (acid bread) - good to see you again mate - love the bonzai t-shirt! Was at the back for about ten minutes but that was about 12.10pm. Night was ok. Bit dissapointed with the line up times. mark was on too early and I was lucky to catch the last 30 mins due to the fact that lofty was late (surprise!) Sound was shocking for most of the night. took me 1.30hrs to get in as well. Security were everywhere. Must have been 5 bouncers in the techno room walking around all night which did my head in all night. Doubt ill be going back there for a while. Shame really as I really like that club.
hi guys.
well if you'd have read the beginning of this thread you'll realise that i decided i needed to play techno, not hard trance. anyway... spent ALL week going through all the old hard techno i used to play in the drome - drop bass, industrial strength etc, worked really hard making sure i learnt all those classic tracks again, so that i could play well. and for 3/4 of the set, the sound was awful. no-one knew what was going on, the sound guys were just clueless - a complete lack of sub. finally the sound got sorted 3 records from the end. what a complete waste of time.
i really felt everyone's disappointment. i was gutted. i mean i knew that some ppl would be expecting hard trance but to be fair, it's not a hard trance room. but for those that understood what i used to play back in the mid 90's (lots of acid heheh), i really felt for them. i have no idea what the tape pack is going to sound like, it was almost impossible to mix.
well i suppose for three records at the end i felt that old technodrome buzz again and for that i need to be grateful. i spoke at length about this set before hand with andy vortex (who organises alot of the line-up's for these techno rooms) and he's more adamant than ever that techno rooms must be techno. i remember last time i played hardstyle in htid's techno room i got seriously linched by the techno heads at the end. after 6 hours of 160bpm+ hardcore techno, the last thing you want is hardstyle. so from now onwards, if i'm booked in a techno room at a rave, i wont be playing hard trance or hardstyle and if it's a classics set in a techno room, it will be the classic techno i used to play, not the hard trance.
sorry if it was a little unclear to a few of you, but if you read the thread from the beginning you'll see the way i was feeling about this months ago....:rockin:
ps i really wish they'd have put me on later too !!! ;)
OMG!!!! I've just checked what i said at the beginning of this thread and i was meant to get back to you all about it and i didn't! arrghhhhhhhhhhh!!! **** i can only apologise, i really thought i'd posted that it had to be classic techno. :(
i really am very sorry. you see this is why i dont do old school sets. everybody has a different opinion of what is old school, totally confusing :( grrrr.. what a waste of last week :grr:
I had a wicked time, was at the front of the queue so got in at kickoff, went straight to main arena where Mark was on.........3 of us had the floor to ourselves.......I was the old git with the Rammstein T-shirt dancing like the embarrassing uncle on "you've been framed" still who gives a 5hit, I loved it. Spent most of the night mooching around from room to room or standing in queues. the tills went down in the techno room bar just as i was getting served, so no drink. Bumped into Matt and Sam at midnight but got split and never saw them again. All in all it was a great night, I went for the experience and certainly got it. the crowd were really friendly, chatted to loads of people, a wicked atmosphere. I was seriously flagging by 4 am so I sat down in the main arena and soaked it up for the last 2 hours. first event and thoroughly enjoyed myself........will do it again
**rolls eyes** :laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
not too bothered at missing this now, as it was a classic trance set that i would have been there to see, plus clarkee's old skool set. That to me was the technodrome, the hard trance sets.
Thats where i first saw the likes of Mark EG and M-Zone playing & where i heard my first sounds of hard trance, and got me hooked. Techno was never on the agenda for me at that time.
Just my opinion tho :cheese:
if vortex is wanting no trance in a techno room, then why has he done it for the last 10+ years?
i don't understand...? mzone,.fergus, mark eg and so forth were always included in the techno room... in fact, back then i did not want trance and i was so annoyed it was in the techno rooms....i was a speedcore purist.
now that i like it, i am told they won't put the stuff with techno....
pfft you can't win either way.... and they basically got rid of hardcore techno also....
and those events on youtube in europe are so awesome....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX6THsJu0hI
when we ever gonna get get an oldskool trance Mark EG set then because im gutted i missed out and only was able to buy the tapes years ago coz i were too young (mind you at that rave i saw people that looked 13)
as a post said in this thread, it says hardcore in the main arena but since when do ya play hardcore in there?
oh well, nothing can be done about it now, but if i see Mark EG classics again on a flyer, ill have to think twice unless he makes it clear on here it will be oldskool german stuff hehe
mzone still plays the stuff if you can handle the yorkshire mcs and rough crowd.. to be fair, a few djs up here still play the stuff, but it's the atmosphere if you can handle it.
well i gotta flyer when i came out the rave saying he was doing a classsic set in october, but its at the other end of the country so dont think im gonna bother.........theres rough crowds wherever ya go so i might check out the up and coming events
exactly shapehopper ya hit the nail on the head. it needs to be said precisely what style i will be playing. saying 'technodrome classics' is ridiculous. i played from like 93-2000 in the technodrome - a massive span of music. shame no-one actually asked me about this set before putting me on the flyer. i would never have agreed to it without an agreement on the style AND a mention about it on the flyer... i don't want the ravers to be let down, anyone who knows me knows that.....
hmm.. i'm sure you can feel my pain here mate... ppl will feel let down and you know what - i'll get the blame.. shit sound, crap time but so much love put into the set and for what???
well at least there was a few ppl in that crowd who seemed to like the last few moments when the bass came on. but damn, it should have been so much better.
look i just wanna say, this WONT happen again. trust me guys, i wont let you down again... if it says classics, it will say EXACTLY the style. if it doesnt', dont go.
fair dos
can't say fairer than that.
Nothing you can do about it really. The promoters should be clear about it - end of. Clarkee played nu style dutch gabber in the techno room and played old skool bergian techno stuff in the old skool room. Which were different to what was advertised. I remember mick supposed to have played a classic set at vibealite couple of years ago and played hardstyle. When I asked him at the end he said no one told him to play classics! I know you were told but it should have said techno/trance with the years involved (ie 93-97 hard trance classics). Would have been clearer for you and us anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
Good to see you & chrissi again tho mate.
BTW - what was that last tune you played? Was a beast!
hmmm..... your always gonna get moaners, ok lets say you had played trance music i'm almost certain you would have ppl saying 'it wasn't 'oldskool' enough or you didnt play this or that exact record etc.
Not really moaning am I? I went about 6 skelters from 98-99 and had all the technodrome packs from the start at one point. A technodrome classics set would have been tunes from 93-99. Mark played mostly techno in the technodrome in that time period apart from about 6 trance sets so I wasnt going to be surprised if he played techno. I was just hoping (not moaning) he would play trance. Marks said his reasons which are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by wenna
I was really ****ed off he didnt play toytown though ;)
m8 i wasnt picking out on any1 i was just saying its impossible to please everyone. i wanted a trance set too but hey ho... yeah gutted we didnt get toytown or that shooting star one :(
whinge whinge moan moan. F*ck me, don't some people go on.
had a great night after bout 1pm! uptill then it was bit of a joke! getting in was ridiculous,queing up all the time hence the name QUE CLUB. got in eventually after mark had finished both his sets which really dissapointed us not noing any times of the dj's! but after we settled down it turned out a good night spent most me time in the oldskool room playin some great anthems of hardcore/drum n bass stomped right to the end where bunter dropped in "you have a heart of gold"! never thought i'd be danceing to that! was'nt a patch on the old skelter events though! need to sort the basics out get bk 2 ya roots!!!!
respect 2 shep for the meetup. short n sweet mate:))
Ok so it wasn't perfect but nothing ever is, the bars were too slow, the smoking area was too small, there was no trance, the security was too "in yer face", the techno room sound wasn't great........and probably 100's of other things to moan about. But for god's sake..........£30 for 9 hours of entertainment, stomping, headbanging, cramp inducing tunes from DJ's at the top of their game and friendly people, who all seem to greet you as a long lost mate.
The organisation of such an event must be a nightmare but all in all it went off well.
All I can say is if some of you thought this was poor, then you must have been spoilt in the past. You can please some.......etc............yawn
sorry, but they have plenty of experience in making these events.... they make plenty of money out of it.... and £30 is a lot of money and there is a standard you come to expect as a minimum ... things like bars and queues should never be an issue because it is folly that over the many years in business they have not figured out how to facilitate the process
as for the sound system not working right.... bloody hell... it is a music event.... it's like going to watch the formula 1 and the cars don't work..... they had all day to sort out the music system...
all the excuses are invalid and lame. these organisations are supposed to be the top dog and professional... so just keeping quiet for the sake of it or 'the scene' is not correct
the fact is it's about making as much money as possible and cutting as many costs as possible... that's the issue...!
and as long as people are willing to digest the cheap quality, the longer it will go on....
well said phantom....plus you travel half the country to be at these events which is a nightmare, so the least they can do get these things sorted properly
Firstly £30 is not a lot of money for entertainment, in the last couple of years I have been to rock concerts, west end theatre, the opera, football and cricket matches. They have all cost more (some, a lot more) than £30 and apart from the cricket they only last 2 - 3 hours, also they all have long queues at the bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomdj
Secondly a rave is not a concert, it's a dance. How can you worry about sound quality when you have blokes yelling, girls screaming, horns, whistles and an MC doing their bit over the top of it all. From my position in the techno room, I couldn't tell there was a channel down and it was loud enough. If you want sound quality, stop mucking about with your 1210's and buy yourself a Linn LP12, then you will really hear what's on your records.
I do agree with your last sentences, however it was my first rave, so i have nothing to compare it with........i just enjoyed the whole night.
U obviously attend these types of events for a different reason than me then.... cause it isnt just for a "dance" for me....... I attend purely for the music, so i would be expecting an excellant sound system. And with the billing it had, it should have been a superior system to most imo, so having a channel missing and a severe lack of bass is a disgrace!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddowion
p.s. £30 is a lot of money for me! then included the expense of a 600mile round trip as well if i was able to attend.
the very fact that a lot of stimulant abusers are whistling so annoyingly loud and you get under-age girls yelling uncontrollably and so forth only adds to the fact that you need a very good sound system to cover that racket. Also, like asylum said, there are plenty attending purely for the musical experience - hearing your favourite and unknown tracks played so loud on a quality sound system which is at a different level to the one at home.
£30 is a lot of money because those events you listed are national teams or worldwide celebrities/singers known by the vast majority around the globe. the prices are still disgracefully high, but you cannot compare a helter skelter event to a sport or other concert. £30 is a rip off. just like the football is a rip off and other things. it's the worst argument to simply measure oneself by comparing themselves to another.
sound quality is very important... do you not have any crap sound recordings of sets which mean you cant stand hearing them? plenty i had in the car that sounded terrible, so i threw them away. it affected my enjoyment of the music.
for those in the main room, the sound quality is normally amazing or if there is some DnB room, the quality is clear even though the music is commercialised shite. they always cut corners with techno music. all the big promoters are terrible in this respect. as long as the majority are happy, they will continue to put out a mediocre event.
it would be interesting to see how many continued going if they did not take stimulants which, let's say, affected their judgement.
omg i've just spat coffee all over the studio desk hahahahaha best thing i've read all weekQuote:
Originally Posted by phantomdj
:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
anyway, for me sound is of upmost importance. sure alot of ppl go to dance and just generally get ****ed but what they dont realise is the quality of the sound and the clarity with which that sound affects their head, contributes MASSIVELY to how much of a good night they have.
i've always said it. doesn't matter where you're a music head or not. alot of factors go together to making a successful night and one of the more important is the sound..
Seems I'm in a minority of one. Well I had a great time without odd substances, just coke (the fizzy type) and lager, went home after 9 hours with my head buzzing. Can't wait till the next one.
raves are free..... always have been
:D:d haha you said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by wenna
wish i could have gone, there needs to be more "techno" at raves in my opinion, i reckon if they had more then they would get a few more punters in.
Who won anyway? uproar or helter skelter?
more people? but what kind of argument is that? if they play gatecrasher music and make it well known, then they will fill the place a lot more because far more people in the country like that...
there is already far too much 'techno' at events like this. the hardcore scene is stale over here because so much 'techno' is being played rather than the preferred 4/4 organised chaos of hardcore techno/speedcore. there are plenty of 'techno' events all over the country for you to listen to it. why not introduce hardcore techno/speedcore at these 'techno' events. No, it won't happen, so why should the hardcore events flood their arenas with slow 'techno' music - i say this even though that very thing is happening. a hardcore event used to mean 4/4 hardcore of 200bpm - 300bpm+ industrial beats... now it means filling a room of slow minimal techno, hard house - quasi 'tech music' a bit of softer hardstyle and some of the softer stuff out of holland. It's as though people are scared to play anything above 170bpm or anything of an industrial nature. In fact, for most events, it's pathetic even to call it a 'hardcore techno' room. One can only watch the events in Germany, Holland and France and simply admire it and wonder what happened in England.
scorpio, producer, dolphin are almost always on the the lineup of the bigger 'raves' but yeah would be nice to see a few more cats on it.
the modern dolphin sets i did not hear recently...
but the producer / scorpio ones are selecting the cheese quite often...
there is some hard dutch stuff and some softer stuff and i noticed in the sets it is often the case to play this stuff...
it is unrecognisable from the laurent ho, armaguet nad, smurf & co who play the 4/4 hardcore i'm talking about...
scorpio and producer generally play their 'party gabber' as it is called...
at these main events there is no industrial. it's all 'party' stuff that fits in with the softer side of 'hard dance' as these events like to be called...
what are cats anyway? (don't say animals)
thats what 85% of the crowd wants. If your doing a party for 3000 ravers in the uk your going to have to play that stuff. If your that disgruntled why dont you get your arse out to europe. Producer pretty much plays all industrial all over europe apart from the big raves here. Scorpio has always played party gabber anyway so thats nothing new.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomdj
very true points in there. lukas has been dabbling in some dark/hard drum and bass also.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomdj