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i dont have bodily functions, remember, im just eyes :)
maybe your standards have risen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
HEHEHE NEVERQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiptoe
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Originally Posted by Microdot
TOO RIGHT....AND YES SVEN AND RICHIE ARE FAR TO FRUITY FOR THERE OWN GOOD HAHAHA.....ANYONE SEEN THAT STRANGE UNICORN CARTOON PEOPLE SAY THEY DID??
GUNNA POKE THEM OUT ONE OF THESE DAYS YA BUGGER HAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
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Not really, back when I was a DJ, I went for good tunes, and always picked the better sounding stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by module
Look back.
Cold Dust
Wilson
Skoog
Henrik B
Henze
Laidback Luke
Beyer
Misjah
Hertz
Bacto
etc
Tuff mid range techno, but the production rocked. It was pro.
All these guys put out stuff that production wise was comparable to house which has always had more money behind it, and a lot of big studio productions.
It meant techno had a standard, on average, that was pretty good. The guys making it, regardless of big money support or not, really did know their stuff, and kept the bar at a good level.
Now we have all the big hitters (well, most, some still fly the flag), doing the minimal thing. Nothing wrong with that.
But in the mid range sound of techno, we have labels run by people who haven`t yet reached the above standard, getting tracks in by people way below that standard.
The quality control is shot to ****.
Too many people making music "in machine" with software.
Now I`m an advocate of software, but you need some knowledge of the old school, phat, hardware sound, to be able to reproduce it with the new tech.
A lot of these guys have been bashing on whatever DAW they picked up last year, and end up with a substandard product because they have never experienced, or had the knowledge (or spent the time to find out) of how things sounded when put through proper gear.
I still listen to everything.
Drum and bass, tired or not, still has a good standard. Now they have the dubplate culture, and a good healthy pecking order where the shit that doesn`t hit the mark gets cussed down real quick, so things remain fairly constant with them.
House, still at a high standard, there`s still a lot of pro studio stuff coming out keeping the bar high for everyone to shoot for.
Dubstep is almost all about the quality by it`s nature, so no probs there.
Breaks again, now very closely intertwined with house still has a good average standard.
Hip hop/R&B etc obviously more money behind it, so there`s a lot of serious studio money keeping average standards up.
Now techno, apart from minimal, where standards are kept pretty high on average, is falling down into the amateur lands of gabba, hardcore etc. Which as a more rough and ready music has always been a bit of a mess overall.
I mean, production isn`t everything, obviously.
1st and foremost, you have to make a damn good tune.
But with so many people now having access to the means to make music, the bar should be getting higher, with the want to separate yourself from the quagmire (a-giggety-giggety-giggety), by spitting and shining till the cows come home.
I think there`s still good pro stuff coming out in the mid range techno area, Audio Assault for example, seem to have good quality control, but overall the average in this area of techno has dropped.
Rick rubin has a good philosophy on quality control. I think his avergae is from every artist, when they present him with music, he will take 1 in 10 tracks from them on average, then tell them to go back and make more music.
Anyway, that`s my 10 pence worth.
Gimme a sec to put on my rain hat before you shit on it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^Good quality early morning read with me frosted shreddies reet there!
Especially the point about the inherent attitude in DnB lending itself to quality control, I use to be well into my DnB. But when I hear it now I cant help but chuckle to myself thinking it got cheesy and none of the "rude-boyz" noticed.
Also interesing how music production software coupled with the instant exchange platform that is the internet gives rise to the birth and indeed the discovery of new talent, but brings with it waves of poor quality unimaginitive music.
So pro's and con's as with all things in life, gentlemen its out there if your willing to wade through it.
agreed on that. now, quit your bitchin' the lot of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by djfilthmonger
theres still some good stuff out there, junos got a tonne of it but i find that 'this weeks new releases' takes up the whole top 50 charts so theres really no point in looking in that section, the best way is to find a few good producers your into and browse your around away there collabs, labels, remixes etc, and then do the same with others..